OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

I don’t know why people are mad about Kyler hes clearly better than John Navarre guys

 

[Russ Smith]

The drops were on Marv and Jones. The poor throws are on Kyler.

The drops are insignificant if we had an offense that doesn't suck balls literally the WHOLE GAME and it sucks balls because Kyler is running it. There were a dozen missed chances and bad throws in the game.

You're all concentrating on the upset stomach and ignoring the stage 4 cancer that's causing it. You can't set aside the dozens of checkdowns and missed opportunities and say this one drop cost us the game. Yes, the Zay Jones drop cost us the game in the circumstances we ended up in, but we never would have been in that position if we had a decent freakin' QB.

Again there's plenty of things to legitimately complain about with Kyler we have an epic long thread about that you're posting in it. But to even suggest the drops Marv were Kylers fault is just a huge reach IMO. The one Marv dropped at the 50 Kyler got hit on the release that's why the throw was a balloon. The one in the endzone it doesn't matter who the ball was thrown to it went right through his hands.

We all agree Kyler has to play better, but if the receives and DeMercado do their job we win that game yesterday and Kyler ends up with a much better stat line

 

[Russ Smith]

Dude Marv is stationary and has to catch the ball, turn and accelerate. If you don't think Warner is closing those 5 yards, when he is already moving full speed, before that happens I don't know what to tell you.

he's NOT at full speed I already told you that if you watch the replay he just turned and started to accelerate he's not at full speed. Warner is a great player but he's not covering that distance fast enough to spook Marv. Marv spooked himself

 

[BritCard]

Again there's plenty of things to legitimately complain about with Kyler we have an epic long thread about that you're posting in it. But to even suggest the drops Marv were Kylers fault is just a huge reach IMO. The one Marv dropped at the 50 Kyler got hit on the release that's why the throw was a balloon. The one in the endzone it doesn't matter who the ball was thrown to it went right through his hands.

We all agree Kyler has to play better, but if the receives and DeMercado do their job we win that game yesterday and Kyler ends up with a much better stat line

Simple question. Should a player running away from the QB with a clear field in front of him have to stop and wait for the ball?

 

[BritCard]

The argument was a seven year stretch. Go look at the seven year stretches and the Win loss comparatively he’s not anywhere near close to being the worst.

Just because this was such a silly argument and because you seem so certain it supports Kyler I went and did the work. This is 6 year spans as were only 3 games in.

The top 10 6 year spans in Cards history are,

Rank	Six-Year Span	W-L-T (Total)	Win %
1	1920–1925	41-18-6 (65 gms)	67.7%
2	1921–1926	40-22-5 (67 gms)	63.4%
3	1922–1927	40-26-4 (70 gms)	60.0%
4	1963–1968	46-33-5 (84 gms)	57.7%
5	1946–1951	40-30-1 (71 gms)	57.0%
6	2011–2016	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
7	2012–2017	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
8	1973–1978	48-37-1 (86 gms)	56.4%
9	1974–1979	49-39-0 (88 gms)	55.7%
10	2013–2018	52-43-1 (96 gms)	54.8%

As you can see 10th is 54.8% win percentage.

Kyler has a 40.5% win percentage. There are 101 six year spans in the Cards history, the Kyler Murray era ranks 54th all time. Right there in what I like to call the "mediocre zone".

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Just because this was such a silly argument and because you seem so certain it supports Kyler I went and did the work. This is 6 year spans as were only 3 games in.

The top 10 6 year spans in Cards history are,

Rank	Six-Year Span	W-L-T (Total)	Win %
1	1920–1925	41-18-6 (65 gms)	67.7%
2	1921–1926	40-22-5 (67 gms)	63.4%
3	1922–1927	40-26-4 (70 gms)	60.0%
4	1963–1968	46-33-5 (84 gms)	57.7%
5	1946–1951	40-30-1 (71 gms)	57.0%
6	2011–2016	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
7	2012–2017	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
8	1973–1978	48-37-1 (86 gms)	56.4%
9	1974–1979	49-39-0 (88 gms)	55.7%
10	2013–2018	52-43-1 (96 gms)	54.8%

As you can see 10th is 54.8% win percentage.

Kyler has a 40.5% win percentage. There are 101 six year spans in the Cards history, the Kyler Murray era ranks 54th all time. Right there in what I like to call the "mediocre zone".

The 20's were lit!

 

[BritCard]

The 20's were lit!

The 30's were terrible though, and the 40's. (and the 50's!)

Full list.

Span	Wins	Losses	Ties	Games	Win%
1920 - 1925	41​	18​	6​	65​	67.7​
1921 - 1926	40​	22​	5​	67​	63.4​
1922 - 1927	40​	26​	4​	70​	60​
1963 - 1968	46​	33​	5​	84​	57.7​
1946 - 1951	40​	30​	1​	71​	57​
2012 - 2017	54​	41​	1​	96​	56.8​
2011 - 2016	54​	41​	1​	96​	56.8​
1973 - 1978	48​	37​	1​	86​	56.4​
1972 - 1977	46​	36​	2​	84​	56​
1945 - 1950	38​	30​	1​	69​	55.8​
1974 - 1979	49​	39​	0​	88​	55.7​
2013 - 2018	52​	43​	1​	96​	54.7​
2010 - 2015	52​	44​	0​	96​	54.2​
1923 - 1928	33​	28​	4​	65​	53.8​
1947 - 1952	38​	33​	1​	72​	53.5​
1971 - 1976	43​	38​	3​	84​	53​
1964 - 1969	41​	37​	6​	84​	52.4​
1961 - 1966	42​	38​	4​	84​	52.4​
1962 - 1967	41​	38​	5​	84​	51.8​
1960 - 1965	40​	38​	4​	82​	51.2​
1970 - 1975	41​	39​	4​	84​	51.2​
2009 - 2014	49​	47​	0​	96​	51​
1924 - 1929	31​	30​	5​	66​	50.8​
1965 - 1970	40​	39​	5​	84​	50.6​
1966 - 1971	39​	39​	6​	84​	50​
1944 - 1949	33​	33​	1​	67​	50​
2014 - 2019	47​	47​	2​	96​	50​
1925 - 1930	31​	32​	6​	69​	49.3​
2008 - 2013	47​	49​	0​	96​	49​
1975 - 1980	44​	46​	0​	90​	48.9​
1959 - 1964	37​	39​	4​	80​	48.8​
2006 - 2011	45​	51​	0​	96​	46.9​
2015 - 2020	44​	50​	2​	96​	46.9​
2007 - 2012	45​	51​	0​	96​	46.9​
1967 - 1972	35​	43​	6​	84​	45.2​
2004 - 2009	43​	53​	0​	96​	44.8​
1980 - 1985	39​	49​	1​	89​	44.4​
1979 - 1984	39​	49​	1​	89​	44.4​
1982 - 1987	38​	48​	2​	88​	44.3​
2016 - 2021	42​	53​	2​	97​	44.3​
2005 - 2010	42​	54​	0​	96​	43.8​
1981 - 1986	38​	49​	2​	89​	43.8​
1976 - 1981	40​	52​	0​	92​	43.5​
1969 - 1974	34​	45​	5​	84​	43.5​
1983 - 1988	40​	53​	2​	95​	43.2​
1948 - 1953	30​	40​	2​	72​	43.1​
1926 - 1931	25​	34​	5​	64​	43​
1968 - 1973	33​	45​	6​	84​	42.9​
2020 - 2025	37​	50​	0​	87​	42.5​
1930 - 1935	24​	35​	7​	66​	41.7​
1943 - 1948	27​	38​	0​	65​	41.5​
1978 - 1983	36​	52​	1​	89​	41​
1993 - 1998	39​	57​	0​	96​	40.6​
2019 - 2024	40​	59​	1​	100​	40.5​
1958 - 1963	30​	45​	3​	78​	40.4​
1927 - 1932	22​	34​	6​	62​	40.3​
1929 - 1934	24​	37​	6​	67​	40.3​
2017 - 2022	39​	58​	1​	98​	40.3​
1977 - 1982	35​	52​	0​	87​	40.2​
1994 - 1999	38​	58​	0​	96​	39.6​
1984 - 1989	37​	57​	1​	95​	39.5​
1931 - 1936	22​	37​	6​	65​	38.5​
2003 - 2008	37​	59​	0​	96​	38.5​
1932 - 1937	22​	38​	7​	67​	38.1​
1956 - 1961	27​	45​	2​	74​	37.8​
1996 - 2001	36​	60​	0​	96​	37.5​
1928 - 1933	20​	36​	6​	62​	37.1​
1933 - 1938	22​	41​	5​	68​	36​
2018 - 2023	35​	63​	1​	99​	35.9​
1955 - 1960	24​	45​	3​	72​	35.4​
1997 - 2002	34​	62​	0​	96​	35.4​
1998 - 2003	34​	62​	0​	96​	35.4​
1991 - 1996	34​	62​	0​	96​	35.4​
1992 - 1997	34​	62​	0​	96​	35.4​
1985 - 1990	33​	61​	1​	95​	35.3​
1934 - 1939	22​	42​	4​	68​	35.3​
2002 - 2007	33​	63​	0​	96​	34.4​
1995 - 2000	33​	63​	0​	96​	34.4​
1989 - 1994	33​	63​	0​	96​	34.4​
1986 - 1991	32​	62​	1​	95​	34.2​
1987 - 1992	32​	63​	0​	95​	33.7​
1957 - 1962	24​	49​	3​	76​	33.6​
1990 - 1995	32​	64​	0​	96​	33.3​
2001 - 2006	32​	64​	0​	96​	33.3​
1988 - 1993	32​	64​	0​	96​	33.3​
1935 - 1940	19​	43​	6​	68​	32.4​
1999 - 2004	31​	65​	0​	96​	32.3​
2000 - 2005	30​	66​	0​	96​	31.2​
1949 - 1954	21​	49​	2​	72​	30.6​
1951 - 1956	21​	49​	2​	72​	30.6​
1952 - 1957	21​	49​	2​	72​	30.6​
1942 - 1947	19​	45​	0​	64​	29.7​
1954 - 1959	20​	50​	2​	72​	29.2​
1953 - 1958	19​	50​	3​	72​	28.5​
1950 - 1955	19​	51​	2​	72​	27.8​
1936 - 1941	16​	46​	5​	67​	27.6​
1937 - 1942	16​	46​	4​	66​	27.3​
1941 - 1946	13​	49​	1​	63​	21.4​
1938 - 1943	11​	51​	3​	65​	19.2​
1940 - 1945	9​	51​	3​	63​	16.7​
1939 - 1944	9​	52​	3​	64​	16.4​

 

[Russ Smith]

Simple question. Should a player running away from the QB with a clear field in front of him have to stop and wait for the ball?

Literally unreal. I posted the pic he was hit as he threw the ball that's why the throw wasn't on time.

Simple question should the first WR picked in the draft be able to catch a ball where there's no defender within 5 yards of him and it hits him in his hands?

You just can't once turn off the bias to admit that ball HAS to be caught. Even the Arizona media is blaming Marv for the loss.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

After a LOSS where he led us to a whopping 13 points in a season where he’s led the offense to a pathetic 18 ppg.

We haven't hit 300 yards of total offense this year. Other than McBride, who is even above average on this offense? PJJ?

 

[BritCard]

Literally unreal. I posted the pic he was hit as he threw the ball that's why the throw wasn't on time.

Simple question should the first WR picked in the draft be able to catch a ball where there's no defender within 5 yards of him and it hits him in his hands?

You just can't once turn off the bias to admit that ball HAS to be caught. Even the Arizona media is blaming Marv for the loss.

I've literally said a dozen times they should have been caught, not sure how many more I can say it.

But "He should have caught it" and "It was a bad pass" are not exclusive things.

 

[BritCard]

We haven't hit 300 yards of total offense this year. Other than McBride, who is even above average on this offense? PJJ?

You can't judge the rest of the players in this offense with Kyler at QB. The O line has been solid, the running backs mid, but the receiver are playing handcuffed.

 

[DVontel]

You can't judge the rest of the players in this offense with Kyler at QB.

You are under the assumption that the next QB won’t be a miss. If that next QB is a miss, when can the offense be judged?

 

[Chopper0080]

You are under the assumption that the next QB won’t be a miss. If that next QB is a miss, when can the offense be judged?

To this point, the current GM and HC regime were supposed to be head and shoulders better than their predecessors, and yet, here we are.

 

[Russ Smith]

I've literally said a dozen times they should have been caught, not sure how many more I can say it.

But "He should have caught it" and "It was a bad pass" are not exclusive things.

Just wow.

 

[DVontel]

To this point, the current GM and HC regime were supposed to be head and shoulders better than their predecessors, and yet, here we are.

Man’s expecting Josh Allen to walk through that door for us.

 

[Chopper0080]

Man’s expecting Josh Allen to walk through that door for us.

At this rate do you have any reason to think that this organization wouldn't fumble the handling of him if he did?

 

[DVontel]

At this rate do you have any reason to think that this organization wouldn't fumble the handling of him if he did?

Nope.

 

[602 Native]

Just because this was such a silly argument and because you seem so certain it supports Kyler I went and did the work. This is 6 year spans as were only 3 games in.

The top 10 6 year spans in Cards history are,

Rank	Six-Year Span	W-L-T (Total)	Win %
1	1920–1925	41-18-6 (65 gms)	67.7%
2	1921–1926	40-22-5 (67 gms)	63.4%
3	1922–1927	40-26-4 (70 gms)	60.0%
4	1963–1968	46-33-5 (84 gms)	57.7%
5	1946–1951	40-30-1 (71 gms)	57.0%
6	2011–2016	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
7	2012–2017	54-41-1 (96 gms)	56.8%
8	1973–1978	48-37-1 (86 gms)	56.4%
9	1974–1979	49-39-0 (88 gms)	55.7%
10	2013–2018	52-43-1 (96 gms)	54.8%

As you can see 10th is 54.8% win percentage.

Kyler has a 40.5% win percentage. There are 101 six year spans in the Cards history, the Kyler Murray era ranks 54th all time. Right there in what I like to call the "mediocre zone".

Like I said nowhere near the worst?

What were you trying to prove again?

 

[BritCard]

Like I said nowhere near the worst?

What were you trying to prove again?

Lol nobody said he was the worst. You said the below then caveated it later with "not the worst" then changed it again from win loss record to 7 year stretch.

K1s win loss record says otherwise.

 

[BritCard]

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[Chopper0080]

The ignoring of 602 has this thread comprised of BritCard pretty much just arguing with himself.

 

[kerouac9]

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Kyler yeets it downfield when pressured and takes the check down when operating he offense.

Exactly how it’s taught.

 

[Chopper0080]

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lol...I mention Kyler's air yards per attempt this AM on X and now Theo is talking about it.

 

[BritCard]

This is why I say focusing on the drops is a distraction.

This drive ended up a FG. Because Kyler doesn't read defenses and predetermined his throws there are a dozen wasted plays like this. This is a possible TD and 4 points lost.

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[Stout]

I don’t know why people are mad about Kyler hes clearly better than John Navarre guys

I'll take "Red" Skelton over him