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I don't think he's better than he was in Green Bay. But that's just me. I said he might be the exception but, hey keep going with he's better without Rodgers. He had one great year after leaving Green Bay. IMO
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Josh Jacobs was robbed of that rookie of the year btw
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Now that’s funny lol. So, now you want to criticize Murray for not being as good as 3 of the GREATEST QB’s in NFL history? And for the record, Mahomes & Lamar were drafted by perennial winning organizations where a culture of success had already been established. And I’m pretty sure I’ve never said that I would prefer Murray to Allen either. All I’ve said is that Murray hasn’t been blessed having been drafted by the hapless Cardinal franchise. I will say this….Had we drafted Bosa & the Niners then took Murray, the Niners would have won at least 2 Super Bowls with him. The Cardinals had the 1st pick in 2019 draft because the 2018 team was downright pathetic. Meanwhile, the only reason the Niners picked 2nd is because they had more injuries than any football team that I can remember.
almost like Devante actually elevated Rodgers.............."Iffy"???
In three years since leaving the Packers, with lousy teams each year, he has 288 catches for 3723 yards (12.9 average - above his average in GB) and 30 TDs.
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eah...the system stars out d o n k e y p u n c h... whoever is in charge of that stuff is tip toeing around full blown n a z i status...its beyond laughable
and how many great years did rodgers have after Devante left?
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I'm at the Diamondbacks game in Milwaukee right now. But I think your making my point. Or you don't understand mine. Either way it's my opinion so it can't be wrong.
My point is double A-Ron in his prime elevated his receivers. K1 has not in his prime or otherwise.
true that.
I am of the opinion that a-a-ron is washed, and has been for several years....Devanta leaving GB just highlighted that and helped management come to the decision to move on when it was obvious they really didnt want to at that point.
Adams has been unfortunate in his decisions since leaving GB though...going to the Raiders was a huge mistake in regards to legacy.....now, with the rams...it may be too late...as I expect he has hit his decline as well....fortunately for him, McVay can design plays to help him maximize his current abilities..I expect they will use him much like we used Larry for a few years therre
You said, "All his number 1 receivers were crap once they left the Packers. It's a long list to look at. The only exception might be Devante Adams, and even he is iffy."
When I said there was nothing "iffy" about him not being crap upon leaving, you provided fake stats ("30 tds in 4 years but he was averaging about 10 per with green Bay", which I corrected to: 9.125 / year in GB, 30 in 3 years since - plus several other measures on which he's actually improved since leaving GB).
You said, "I stand by my statement" and now still couch it in terms of "might be the exception". But I'm the one who keeps "going on" about it?
This is lunacy. How many great years did he have before Davante arrived?
Hint: in 6 years as a starter (2008-2013, with 2013 cut in half by injury) he had a 58-29 regular season record, he'd been named to 2 All Pro teams, 3 Pro Bowls, won NFL MVP, and his only Super Bowl championship.
Are you so desperate to cling to the argument that Murray requires a Hall of Fame supporting cast to be great, that you're actually going to cling to this one about Rodgers needing Davante Adams to be great??
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If you think Adams has been a stud since he left Green Bay, well good for you.You said, "All his number 1 receivers were crap once they left the Packers. It's a long list to look at. The only exception might be Devante Adams, and even he is iffy."
When I said there was nothing "iffy" about him not being crap upon leaving, you provided fake stats ("30 tds in 4 years but he was averaging about 10 per with green Bay", which I corrected to: 9.125 / year in GB, 30 in 3 years since - plus several other measures on which he's actually improved since leaving GB).
You said, "I stand by my statement" and now still couch it in terms of "might be the exception". But I'm the one who keeps "going on" about it?
I don't think he has with his one pro bowl since he left. But I believe had 5 with the packers.
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You're the one who won't back off your claim that "All his number 1 receivers were crap once they left the Packers... The only exception might be Devante Adams, and even he is iffy." I'm saying that there's nothing "iffy" about it. That's all.If you think Adams has been a stud since he left Green Bay, well good for you.
I don't think he has with his one pro bowl since he left. But I believe had 5 with the packers.
In his average season with the Packers he had 1015 yards and 9.1 TDs.
In his first season with the Raiders he had 1516 yards and 14 TDs.
In his second season with the Raiders he had 1144 yards and 8 TDs.
After his trade to the Jets, he had 854 yards and 7 TDs in 11 games - on a pace for 1319 yards and 10.8 TDs over 17 games!
Guess I'm crazy for thinking that he has unequivocally NOT been "crap"!
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Come on...
You're basically saying that Murray should be a hall of famer and the entirety of his struggles are because of circumstance.
In a year (maybe 2) he's going to be on another roster and he will be the same guy wherever he ends up he has been here: Sam Bradford with wheels... until he gets nicked up a bit, stops trusting his legs (as he seems to do every season), at which point he becomes short Sam Bradford.
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Again most have complete disconnect of what team they are fans of.
It’s amazing to watch.
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Cardinals Fans:
K1 has had tons of talent around him his entire career.
Also Cardinals Fans:
Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, are way better than K1 despite having sub par talent around them.
Total delusion
K1 has had tons of talent around him his entire career.
Also Cardinals Fans:
Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, are way better than K1 despite having sub par talent around them.
Total delusion
do you even listen to yourself?
if a math teacher asks what 5 + 5 is most of the class will be right
if a science teacher asks if aluminum is a metal most of the class will be right
if a spelling teacher asks the class to spell "i'm only here for kyler murray" then again - most of the class will be right
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Can you just name the people who are saying these things? Because I can’t figure out whom you’re targeting with this trash.
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Multiple fans on this board sing the praises of those 3 QBs and say they are better than K1.Don’t need to name anyone. They know who they are.
None of them had success with the terrible teams they were drafted by hence their trades. Fast forward to last year and all of a sudden those castoff QBs are amazing when you actually put top tier talent around them minus Geno.
The morale of the Murray faithful is always sky high at the start of the season.
As long as his knee is right, I'm 1000% confident that my boy is going to unleash hell on NFL defenses this season! You'll see BGT!
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Your daily reminder that he will be the #2 all time passing leader after this year.
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The morale of the Murray faithful is always sky high at the start of the season.
As long as his knee is right, I'm 1000% confident that my boy is going to unleash hell on NFL defenses this season! You'll see BGT!
You all need to embrace the middle. Murray is mid, which is great for us. He makes mid money and we can win like 11-12 games with him
Already prepping the excuses I see.
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