2024 wasn't "a collapse." The Cardinals were average and are now a playoff team.

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The 2024 season was one of initial frustration, fortunate and lucky wins, and finished off by mistake prone football, our luck evening out and mixed emotions to finish. There were offensive and defensive trends that never went away the whole year. Proving we were average at best. It was superior coaching, especially on defense and special teams that allowed to only lose to 1 team who had less than 10 wins.

Just for the sake of curiosity, how many NFL teams are you aware of that cut 40 players the year before they make the playoffs?

At 1-3, fans and commentators for the first time start to question Gannon's plan and hire. There is alot of doubt directed his way on his weekly interview on Burns and Gambo. It was more frustration than anything. We had chances to beat BUF and DET and lost for various reasons. Everyone knew the schedule was tough and but we blew a chance to at least be 2-2.

But what we saw in BUF was a defense that was bipolar and an offense that would start building on its trend of going flat in the 4th quarter. The DET game, where the defense shut out the Lions in the 2nd half, but the offense could only manage a FG was rough. Then the embarrassment of the blowout by WAS and Kingsberry's offense had gotten us to this point. It was at this point at 1-3, an improbable run started...

1. Chad Ryland. This guy went 3/3 on game winning kicks. A kicker who was the "worst kicker in 2023." Lets look at those games:

at SF: After Murray's long TD run, the rest of the first half is horrible. A Pick Six, Dropped Mcbride TD leads to a blocked FG TD. Down 16-7 at half. We learn SF FG kicker is out for the game. SF is forced to go for it on 4th down multiple times in 2nd half in AZ territory. Defense forces two turnovers, SF offense manages 0 points, Connor runs wild, Murray takes cares of the ball and Ryland's fg at 30 seconds left is the game winner. Pretty lucky win.

(at GB: We get blown out, offense and defense looks like a below average.)

LAC: We would be trailing at home in 4th quarter. A long Murray TD run and fortunate Connor screen is needed for Ryland to make a kick as time expires. 17-15

at MIA: We would be trailing the entire game. We had no business winning this game. MIA defense collapsed in the 2nd half. Kyler had his best game of the season. After this miraculous comeback and another Ryland game-winning kick, we are magically 4-4.

Is this what a playoff football team looks like?

CHI/NYJ:
Bears are reeling from the last second hail mary from Washington. This is right before the coach got fired. Jets and Rodgers are similarly coming up. One thing we did well was beat teams we should beat. But the defense shutting these offenses down wasn't exactly as impressive as it looked.

6-4. First place, with an improbable amount of luck and fortune.



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We play a good MINN team and once again, the defense shows signs that it can't hold a lead. The offense stutters in the 4th quarter. 2 games vs SEA who is coming in hot, especially defensively and this story is basically writing itself. The lack of talent we have on the dline is extremely evident. Should we have lost all 3 games? Probably not, even if we are just an average team. But it follows the story of the season. Every game was unpredictable. We lacked consistency on both sides of the ball. There was a lack of a pass rush. A run defense that was dominated earlier in the year and a pass defense that played bend but not break. Our red efficency on offense and defense was the one shared stat that gave us chances to win.


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This one also makes my point about the offensive line not being as big of an issue this year as people think it will be. We managed to be in all these games. Whether we should have won or not. This was with Jonah Williams going down in Week 1 and Hernandez going down in Week 5 at SF. This was also without our entire starting defensive line. So if you think having weaknesses on our oline will overwhelm the talent we brought in on def this offseason, this is something we already dealt with. Furthermore, there was no playoff run happening with all these injuries last season and no depth. Not the case this year.


4. Adding to this point, career backups and rookies were starting at key positions on both sides of the ball. Now they are back to being solid rotational positions and depth for the starters we added in the offseason, especially on the defensive line. This is why we were so inconsistent.


5. A QB that struggles in the 2nd half and end of season. Although the caveat would be, the talent we just added would not give up 36 points to CAR. The talent we just added will be able to get more 3 and out and force turnovers. The pressure may be on Kyler more this year, but in reality the offense should have more opportunities to score and take their time. We lose 3 winnable gamers that were leading in the 3rd qtr by a grand total of 8 pts. (MIN, CAR, LAR) Kyler has never had a legit top 10 defense before and this should be close enough. Talent elsewhere helps make up for his deficiencies, as seen in 2021 when we went 11-6. And these are all the reasons why we will make the playoffs this year. We are better than average now, we have depth and we overcome oline deficiencies last year. And our QB's late season deficiencies in 2021. Adding leaders and run stoppers on the defensive line along with skilled pass rushers, and possibly having 2 shutdown CBs.
 
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I had AI summarize this to make it easier to read.

This blurb outlines the ups and downs of the 2024 football season, highlighting initial struggles, moments of luck, and eventual inconsistency. The team's performance was largely average, but superior coaching kept them competitive.

A rough 1-3 start raised doubts about head coach Jonathan Gannon, especially after frustrating losses to Buffalo and Detroit. However, an improbable winning streak followed, fueled by clutch performances from kicker Chad Ryland. Despite a shaky defense and an offense that frequently stalled in the fourth quarter, the team managed to climb to 6-4, largely through fortunate wins.

Late in the season, defensive issues became more apparent, particularly in games against Minnesota and Seattle. The lack of a pass rush and a vulnerable run defense led to unpredictable performances. Despite significant injuries, the team remained competitive, suggesting depth improvements for the upcoming season.

The quarterback struggled late in games, but the newly added defensive talent is expected to compensate for these shortcomings. With upgraded personnel, improved depth, and key defensive acquisitions, the belief is that the team is now above average and primed for a playoff run.
 

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I had AI summarize this to make it easier to read.

This blurb outlines the ups and downs of the 2024 football season, highlighting initial struggles, moments of luck, and eventual inconsistency. The team's performance was largely average, but superior coaching kept them competitive.

A rough 1-3 start raised doubts about head coach Jonathan Gannon, especially after frustrating losses to Buffalo and Detroit. However, an improbable winning streak followed, fueled by clutch performances from kicker Chad Ryland. Despite a shaky defense and an offense that frequently stalled in the fourth quarter, the team managed to climb to 6-4, largely through fortunate wins.

Late in the season, defensive issues became more apparent, particularly in games against Minnesota and Seattle. The lack of a pass rush and a vulnerable run defense led to unpredictable performances. Despite significant injuries, the team remained competitive, suggesting depth improvements for the upcoming season.

The quarterback struggled late in games, but the newly added defensive talent is expected to compensate for these shortcomings. With upgraded personnel, improved depth, and key defensive acquisitions, the belief is that the team is now above average and primed for a playoff run.
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Adding to this point, career backups and rookies were starting at key positions on both sides of the ball. Now they are back to being solid rotational positions and

depth for the starters we added in the offseason, especially on the defensive line. This is why we were so inconsistent.

Tons of depth right now on the DL and Edge, no question. But didn't we lose a starting OG and didn't replace him with anything besides hopes and dreams?

Kyler has never had a legit top 10 defense before and this should be close enough.

Kyler had the #12 scoring defense and #13 yardage defense in his second season (2020), and the #11 defense in both categories the year after.

We are better than average now, we have depth and we overcome oline deficiencies last year.

How, exactly, did we "overcome oline deficiencies last year" on the way to a 2-5 finish? Citation needed here.
 

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There is already a Kyler Murray Thread!

And I hear Jonah Williams is dunking basketballs in practice!
 
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Tons of depth right now on the DL and Edge, no question. But didn't we lose a starting OG and didn't replace him with anything besides hopes and dreams?

Kyler had the #12 scoring defense and #13 yardage defense in his second season (2020), and the #11 defense in both categories the year after.

How, exactly, did we "overcome oline deficiencies last year" on the way to a 2-5 finish? Citation needed here.
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We had no starting LT at the end of week 1 last year and Hernandez joined him and went on IR in week 5.

Furthermore, we lost our entire defensive line in the first few weeks of the season and were playing people off the street.


Lets take a look at this shall we?

Cuz you just convinced me that 2020 and 2024 were very similar seasons.

1st of all, in 2020 our rush defense was 22nd in the league. We finished with just 48 sacks. Our strength was our 10th ranked pass defense, which played easier opposing offenses, than in 2021 or 2024. 2024, we finished 20th in rush yds allowed and 15th in pass yds. With 41 sacks. And the number on the far right is telling. Our defense performed better last season than in 2020, vs a tougher schedule. The defense then improved in 2021, as did the offense. They didn't even improve that much.
The schedule, while still easier than 2024, was harder than 2020. Not only that, but our offense in 2021 managed to score more points with less overall yards than 2020.
The sign of what happens when you get a good defense.

So to summarize, our defense played better than in 2020 in 2024. For a time, it was matching the 2021 defense which was the best Murray has ever had.

And you think the talent we added can't deliver a repeat result to 2021? Cuz it seems liked we added alot more on defense than the 2020 offseason.

Marvin Harrison and Trey Benson both playing better in the 2nd half of the season will also be a fluke?

Regarding the oline:

It is not the olines fault we lost to the Panthers 36-33 in overtime. It was mostly the defense, some bad throws by Kyler and Connor being hurt.
Connor missed the 2nd half of the Rams game and our practice squad RB, finished with 13 carries for 70 yds.We had 115 yds rushing for the game and Kyler had 320 yds passing. The Rams defense, playing elite ended up being the only true challenge to the the Eagles in the playoffs. They had just come off beating the 49ers 12-6...which was one of Purdy's worst games of his career inside the division. Oline was a non-factor in MINN. We actually ran the ball extremely well vs one of the top run defenses in the league. Defense couldn't hold the lead.It was the SEA games where the oline did struggle. But there is caveat for that because our defense sacked Geno 6 times in SEA themselves.

Kyler got sacked 27 times in 16 gms 2020, and 31 times in 14 games in 2021.

He was only sacked 30 times in 17 games last season. So the worst year was when we went 11-6.

Also how did James Connor manage to have his best season ever, earning him top 5 on PFF for all RBs?

It is a better arguement to say that Petzing's playcalling combined with Kyler's 2nd half struggles will limit the positive effect what will end up being the best defense Kyler has ever had. We had the personnel last year to score more points than any team in the division. If we miss the playoffs, it won't be because of the offensive line that only played 25% with each other as starters last year. You can't just take a minor concern, that we dealt with all of last season and latch onto it like it caused us to lose the last few games cuz we have no major concerns left. Especially when it can be overcome with adjustments. Or just the fact that our offense will have the ball more with more chances to score because the defense will be better. The major concerns was all on the defensive side plus the WRs and chemistry issues. But if the defense is going to be alot better, its gonna hide alot of the offensive issues by just taking the pressure off Kyler and crew.
 
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well duh...we continued rolling guys out there no matter how many injuries we had...obviously.

How did the oline cause the 36-33 loss vs CAR?

Or the 18-6 lead vs MINN that we squandered?

Or the ball that went off Mcbrides helmet?

I could make the case that Connor not playing in the 2nd half of two of those games mattered much more.
 
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How did the oline cause the 36-33 loss vs CAR?

Or the 18-6 lead vs MINN that we squandered?

Or the ball that went off Mcbrides helmet?

I could make the case that Connor not playing in the 2nd half of two of those games mattered much more.

3 games lost by a total of 8 points, and the talent we added on defense can't make 2 of those wins instead of losses?

What about the BUF and DET losses? Our schedule is easier this year than last year and we added talent.

How is the minor concern of the offensive line gonna destroy everything?

The fact is the defense got upgraded so much people are trying to nickpick elsewhere.

Without even realizing that the 2021 11-6 Cardinals gained less yards but scored more points than they did in 2020 as an 8-8 team.

That is the effect of having a better defense. And this defense could easily be better than 2021.


Another example, the 2024 10-7 Seattle Seahawks with an offensive line that allowed Geno to get sacked 50 times.

Or the 13-4 Vikings that allowed Darnold to get sacked 48 times.

What did they have in common?

DEFENSE.

Wouldn't it be nice if AZ could beat a team 6-3 like SEA beat the Bears?

Or how Darnold threw 3 INTS vs the Jaguars and they won with 4 FGs 12-7?
 

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How did the oline cause the 36-33 loss vs CAR?

Or the 18-6 lead vs MINN that we squandered?

Or the ball that went off Mcbrides helmet?

I could make the case that Connor not playing in the 2nd half of two of those games mattered much more.
So,...uuuhh...you have never actually keyed in and "watched" kyler when our line is sketchy...have ya.
 

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Run blocking was fine, but Conner also did a lot of it on his own. He's a violent runner.

His running is rated "R", and for mature audiences only.
 

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