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But the entire logic of that awful trade was that Booker is a 2nd tier star and Durant was going to carry the team... but Durant can't... because he isn't that guy, he never has been and never will be.
That’s fair but part of that logic is that Book is just a tier below those guys and just needed another star next to him to get it done. That has not manifested either.
 

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That’s fair but part of that logic is that Book is just a tier below those guys and just needed another star next to him to get it done. That has not manifested either.
Yup… to slightly adjust one of the all-time Phoenix sports quote classics:

They AREN’T who we thought they were!
 

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Who do you want at 2?
I would guess Harper... who could essentially be another, younger Booker... or maybe a younger Edwards? Not sure there is anyone who is all that in this draft after the first two picks. We really need a package of stuff to make it worthwhile to trade Booker.
 

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Supposedly, this is why the Suns made the trade for Durant.
That's why they made the trade for CP3 and Durant. That's why they added Beal. The idea is if you surround Book with higher tier players he can get it done.
 

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Omg AD to either of those teams would be hilarious and sad at the same time
 

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i hope ish isn't pulling a nico at this very moment with some trade being already made in secrecy - that no one has a justifiable chance to make fun of before happening

some self proclaimed genius level solution to a our problems

with gregory and jj whispering "bravo sir" softly and in unison accompanied with a subordinate golf clap

"bravo sir"
 
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I'd take Flagg over AD. It would be a gamble but I'd sooner bet Flagg develops into a star vs Davis stays healthy.
 

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Bridges gets 5 firsts, and you get 3 1sts for Booker? Not nearly enough.

It's not that they're firsts so much as what team owns those firsts. Firsts from New York are worth less than the Suns own firsts. We'd then have a reason to tank since we'd control our own picks instead of losing to send that pick to another team.
 

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It's not that they're firsts so much as what team owns those firsts. Firsts from New York are worth less than the Suns own firsts. We'd then have a reason to tank since we'd control our own picks instead of losing to send that pick to another team.
I get the relative value of the picks, but I'm hoping to get more than that for a guy that is considered a top 15 player and franchise icon in his prime.
 

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I get the relative value of the picks, but I'm hoping to get more than that for a guy that is considered a top 15 player and franchise icon in his prime.

Understandable. There would be salary to make it happen also and ideally not dead cap money either like a year or Fred Van Vleet and Jock Landale to match salary. I like Jalen Green to an extent and think he'd need to be included with those picks. I don't view Green as a long term player here but he has value we could get more from as a stop gap.

The main thing is getting back in the driver's seat with control of our own picks. Anything else is gravy. Not controlling our own picks makes tanking unreasonable.
 

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Agree with the foregoing. Trade Booker for 3-4 picks (our own), plus a youngster with potential (Sheppard?), and whatever expiring contracts are necessary. Then Durant for about the same, maybe fewer picks but more young talent.

Then get to work on really scouting guys who will be available at 10 and 29... not James Jones "scouting" by watching YouTube videos, but actually scouting. Hopefully, you find a couple raw gems, like the Suns used to be able to do during the JC days.

Do all that, and with any luck, within two or three years, we might have a foundation of up and coming talent AND a wealth of cap space to use. Maybe not contenders, necessarily, but something to keep the fanbase engaged again.
 
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That's why they made the trade for CP3 and Durant. That's why they added Beal. The idea is if you surround Book with higher tier players he can get it done.

Of course, the 2020-21 and 2021–22 Suns with Booker, Paul, Bridges and Johnson were much more successful than the ones with Durant and the later addition of Beal.
 

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Agree with the foregoing. Trade Booker for 3-4 picks (our own), plus a youngster with potential (Sheppard?), and whatever expiring contracts are necessary. Then Durant for about the same, maybe fewer picks but more young talent.

Then get to work on really scouting guys who will be available at 10 and 29... not James Jones "scouting" by watching YouTube videos, but actually scouting. Hopefully, you find a couple raw gems, like the Suns used to be able to do during the JC days.

Do all that, and with any luck, within two or three years, we might have a foundation of up and coming talent AND a wealth of cap space to use. Maybe not contenders, necessarily, but something to keep the fanbase engaged again.

You think you’re getting 6-8 picks plus young talent? Lol

We have zero leverage teams know we are desperate AF hell just to cut salary at this point.

We are selling at pennies on the dollar. Durant and Booker aren’t close to what they were worth 3 years ago
 

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You think you’re getting 6-8 picks plus young talent? Lol

We have zero leverage teams know we are desperate AF hell just to cut salary at this point.

We are selling at pennies on the dollar. Durant and Booker aren’t close to what they were worth 3 years ago
How do you know? Maybe Isiah Thomas has buddied up with some other owner, an owner with a lot more money than sense?

But seriously, teams that feel they are close and are desperate to win a championship can talk themselves into some pretty risky moves. We just have to hope we find one of those teams.
 

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