OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[HairZach]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

It's really starting to look like Kliff carried Kyler instead of the other way around. The collapses also seem to be a Kyler trait.

 

[slanidrac16]

Yet see them every week all QBs throw some ******** passes it’s a product of pressure and quick decision making, Jesus people act like they have never seen dumb interceptions lol…

So what qbs are making these dumb throws? Minshew? Maye? Winston?
Your very good qb’s can be excused when they’re throwing for 4000 yards and 30-35 tds.

 

[nashman]

Receivers. Last year poor Kyler receiving corps was too small. Now poor Kyler’s receivers are big but not fast enough. Kingsbury screwed up Kyler ( although Daniels seems to be doing fine). Poor Kyler has no running game, but we do now.
Geezus man, it’s not all Kyler’s fault but let’s not make him faultless.

Never said he was lol, you guys seriously read what you want to read. I said it was a ******** pass and QBs do that sometimes. They do it more when they constantly have to push to carry the lack of surrounding talent. Make sense? Love Trey dude actually gets open and Kyler finds him if others could do the same it would be tremendously helpful to this archaic OCs gameplan. Hit Marvin on beautiful slant yesterday for like 26 then our genius OC puts that play away and doesn’t run it again bc all day makes zero sense! Lots of issues I just simply don’t place them on one guy which a bunch of people like to do, just because of his paycheck. It’s ignorant and short sighted, why not blame the franchise sitting on cash when we need desperate upgrades all over?

 

[602 Native]

If you're trying to tell me that the Cardinals are a garbage franchise, you're a little late to the game. Just because the Cardinals are a garbage franchise doesn't mean that Kyler isn't also a middling QB. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Hopefully the Cards shed this when they actually put some talent around K1 instead of dismantling the team and preserving cap space.

Can't wait for the FO and ownership to commit to winning.

Until then I will ride with K1 and hoping the team puts talent around him like they have done with McBride.

 

[DaHilg]

For me it’s decisionmaking. Like throwing yet ANOTHER brain dead interception as he panicked. He was lucky to get bailed out by a boneheaded penalty.

Full moon last night here in Nashville, thus must be the reason I agree with Ouchie here. I do think Petzing is god awful- like one of the worse OC’s I’ve seen(I do not understand why Kyler is blessed to have 1st time NFL OC’s as his playcallers - esp knowing his limited starting experience going into the league.. simply doesn’t make sense).

With that said - doesn’t matter what plays he’s given, that decision was inexcusable for a 6th year QB.. just flat out panicked and dumb. That and he is refusing to use his legs in the manner we have seen - even earlier this seasons. Your playcalling sucks, your Oline is caving your WR1 is dropping TD passes.. time to be a leader and find a way to take over!

A crazy thought though - for as bad as he played to the naked eye, if Charmin Marvin catches those 2 TD passes.. his stat line and narrative after the game would have been complete different. Still looked like crap to me - but that’s the truth.

 

[DaHilg]

Never said he was lol, you guys seriously read what you want to read. I said it was a ******** pass and QBs do that sometimes. They do it more when they constantly have to push to carry the lack of surrounding talent. Make sense? Love Trey dude actually gets open and Kyler finds him if others could do the same it would be tremendously helpful to this archaic OCs gameplan. Hit Marvin on beautiful slant yesterday for like 26 then our genius OC puts that play away and doesn’t run it again bc all day makes zero sense! Lots of issues I just simply don’t place them on one guy which a bunch of people like to do, just because of his paycheck. It’s ignorant and short sighted, why not blame the franchise sitting on cash when we need desperate upgrades all over?

It is absolutely wild how little our WRs can get separation though. Not only this year but in years past. I see WR on even poo teams wide open by 5-7 yards all the time.

 

[nashman]

So what qbs are making these dumb throws? Minshew? Maye? Winston?
Your very good qb’s can be excused when they’re throwing for 4000 yards and 30-35 tds.

No QBs throwing for that yardage under Petz first of all. So again trying to make things happen when you know we aren’t gonna throw that much poo happens. It didn’t hurt us and we blew the team out. Only Kyler haters would be reading into and freaking going on about one play that didn’t even count in a blowout essentially hahaha it’s just dumb. And Kyler has thrown for yardages like that in a different offense this OC wants to run run run, so not gonna be hitting crazy yardage games. He’s proved he can do it but again show me the weapons on this team that would start for any good team in the NFL?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It’s kinda sad that there are people who are completely content with Kyler’s level of play. As a fan, you ought to be demanding more out of your $50mil/year QB than pedestrian numbers and a bad TD/INT ratio. He should not be getting outplayed by Sam Darnold, Geno Smith x 2, and other forgettable players

I recall Warner getting us to a SB with a poorly run franchise and no offensive line. He did have some really good receivers, but he was also a master at throwing guys open and getting the ball out really fast.

 

[nashman]

I recall Warner getting us to a SB with a poorly run franchise and no offensive line. He did have some really good receivers, but he was also a master at throwing guys open and getting the ball out really fast.

lol that teams talent was freaking stacked compared to this team be serious….

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

lol did you just start watching the cardinals? They have been a pathetic franchise for decades… He did make the playoffs with a coach who had NO business being an NFL coach literally on his back, yes they got whooped by the Rams who won the superbowl and have owned the Cards under that HC. Again expecting the QB to overcome all of the franchises shortcomings and win despite all of them is completely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous. This is his first full season under Gannon who seems to be a decent coach and motivator but the OC is beyond awful and we still lack offensive talent. Which one of our WRs would even start on a good team? Honestly? Watch other games and look how open WRs get and ask yourself why dont ours ever get that damn open? Kyler makes some boneheaded mistakes sure, so would many QBs trying to make things happen. But the organization has put him in the position to try and carry a team in his back for too long and not supplied quality weapons and coaching period.

I mean, something like 80% of the franchises good years have been in the last 16 years or so. Was at least solid for the years we had Palmer and Warner.

 

[602 Native]

I recall Warner getting us to a SB with a poorly run franchise and no offensive line. He did have some really good receivers, but he was also a master at throwing guys open and getting the ball out really fast.

Warner was considered middling most of his time here by fans by the way.

Also lets not forget our great ownership making the dude go to the Whiners before giving him a new deal.

Warner is another QB that won in spite of this crap franchise.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

lol that teams talent was freaking stacked compared to this team be serious….

The offense was good with a crappy O-Line. Yes the receivers were good, but that wouldn't help Kyler all that much if he was playing with that O-Line. Warner was just exceptional at getting the ball out quickly and anticipating throws.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Warner was considered middling most of his time here by fans by the way.

Also lets not forget our great ownership making the dude go to the Whiners before giving him a new deal.

Warner is another QB that won in spite of this crap franchise.

Unlike Kyler to this point.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Hopefully the Cards shed this when they actually put some talent around K1 instead of dismantling the team and preserving cap space.

He has a very good running back, and arguably the best TE in football. Harrison Jr. has been a dud, but to say he has no talent on the offense is simply not correct.

Can't wait for the FO and ownership to commit to winning.

You're waiting for Godot.

 

[nashman]

I mean, something like 80% of the franchises good years have been in the last 16 years or so. Was at least solid for the years we had Palmer and Warner.

Yeah we also had a lot of talent and proven HCs in Green and Arians that knew what they were doing much more than the KK show and a new inexperienced staff we have had the past few years, don’t you think lol?

 

[nashman]

Unlike Kyler to this point.

Yeah real weird a Super Bowl mvp QB won here with more weapons than Kyler has ever been provided not to mention the excellent coaching by he had as well….

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Yeah real weird a Super Bowl mvp QB won here with more weapons than Kyler has ever been provided not to mention the excellent coaching by he had as well….

We have two QBs in the last 15 years that "won in spite of the franchise", but we blame the franchise when Kyler can't do the same thing? He has had multiple games this year alone where the defense played great and Kyler couldn't even muster up a decent performance that would have won us the game.

 

[602 Native]

Yeah we also had a lot of talent and proven HCs in Green and Arians that knew what they were doing much more than the KK show and a new inexperienced staff we have had the past few years, don’t you think lol?

The fact that the two best coaches we have had in the modern era are veterans is something that I have never thought about. Imagine if we could have landed Reid, or Payton.

 

[TJ]

Yeah real weird a Super Bowl mvp QB won here with more weapons than Kyler has ever been provided not to mention the excellent coaching by he had as well….

Kyler has had the likes of Fitz, D-Hop, Conner, McBride, and others and has one playoff game in six years.

Im not gonna pin everything on Kyler, but at some point, in six years, the QB has to be the obvious stabilizing force of the franchise, which Palmer and Warner were.

BTW - im far from the biggest Kingsbury fan, but the better Daniels plays, the worse it looks for Kyler.

 

[TJ]

Warner was considered middling most of his time here by fans by the way.

Also lets not forget our great ownership making the dude go to the Whiners before giving him a new deal.

Warner is another QB that won in spite of this crap franchise.

That doesnt help your Kyler argument.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Warner was considered middling most of his time here by fans by the way.

Also lets not forget our great ownership making the dude go to the Whiners before giving him a new deal.

Warner is another QB that won in spite of this crap franchise.

"Another QB?" I assume you are ONLY referring to Palmer? As there hasn't been "another QB" that has "won" anything other than Warner & Palmer since Jake the Snake...

 

[602 Native]

We have two QBs in the last 15 years that "won in spite of the franchise", but we blame the franchise when Kyler can't do the same thing? He has had multiple games this year alone where the defense played great and Kyler couldn't even muster up a decent performance that would have won us the game.

Neither home grown and had to learn with the Cards as rookies.

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is also true from yesterday and earlier in the season.

You know that's all K1 right? No DP to blame that on. He's calling the plays and he getting to do whatever he wants. But now we'll blame the turf or the grass.

 

[602 Native]

You know that's all K1 right? No DP to blame that on. He's calling the plays and he getting to do whatever he wants. But now we'll blame the turf or the grass.

We have run the 2 minute this season and it was obvious K1 was calling the plays.

Yesterday the plays were still being fed as if we were playing for FGs again right before half time.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Does anyone else think Kylers nursing a leg injury? I remember he came off limping a few weeks ago and I think it's either nagging him or it's in his head. His wheels don't look the same recently, and he's giving up runs instead of bursting. Something looks different pre and post bye week.

I actually do believe he is injured but doesn't excuse it