Is it time to move on from Kyler Murray

[Gambler]

There has never been a more nitpicked / criticized / dividing player on the Cardinals.

The game thread was absolutely wild. That criticism crew will be silent for the entire thread until anything happens to confirm their bias.

You 46% will get your wish this year or next.

I don’t want Kyler gone. But they have a right to criticize their highly paid player when he does not perform. Everyone wants him to succeed (who is a Cardinal’s fan). But his play and body language leave a lot to be desired. I know I will be in the stands on MNF and want him to lead us to victory.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Many teams would take K1 off this pitiful franchise.

The Cards don’t deserve K1.

I am not quite there. I think the longer this goes the less those teams are. They could have gotten the house last off season.

The oldest NFL team has 7 total QBs with over 10,000 passing yards. 7...in some 130 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would trade dak and the ranch for Kyler Murray.

Lol… I texted a couple of my buddies that the only teams dumb enough to trade for Kyler as their elixir are probably the Raiders, Dolphins and Cowboys. Only question is which of them could Monty get the most draft picks from… that he would then inevitably squander.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Jake Plummer says hello.

People didn't ride Jake like this but there is the Jake / Leinart / Kolb group that is in the orbit

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I don’t want Kyler gone. But they have a right to criticize their highly paid player when he does not perform. Everyone wants him to succeed (who is a Cardinal’s fan). But his play and body language leave a lot to be desired. I know I will be in the stands on MNF and want him to lead us to victory.

What other "body language" players are you aware of on the team?

 

[slanidrac16]

Many teams would take K1 off this pitiful franchise.

The Cards don’t deserve K1.

Good lord 602. Most of us do not believe Kyler belongs in sucksville. Most think he is average that can win games with his athletic ability. The athletic ability is not enough to be a top tier qb.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

He isn't paid like a top tier QB anymore.

We have cap space to spare anyway. Kyler's contract isn't stopping this team from adding talent

 

[602 Native]

I am not quite there. I think the longer this goes the less those teams are. They could have gotten the house last off season.

The oldest NFL team has 7 total QBs with over 10,000 passing yards. 7...in some 130 years.

Giants
Dallas
Sea Hawks
Rams
Browns
Pittsburgh
Dolphins
Jets
Jags
Indy
49ers
Raiders
Denver
Pats
Tampa
Falcons
Panthers Would all trade for K1 if given the chance.

 

[602 Native]

Good lord 602. Most of us do not believe Kyler belongs in sucksville. Most think he is average that can win games with his athletic ability. The athletic ability is not enough to be a top tier qb.

He is not average he plays for a below average team and today was big time proof.

 

[Lorenzo]

Lol… I texted a couple of my buddies that the only teams dumb enough to trade for Kyler as their elixir are probably the Raiders, Dolphins and Cowboys. Only question is which of them could Monty get the most draft picks from… that he would then inevitably squander.

yeah I wouldn't trade any high end draft picks. I would trade players.

 

[slanidrac16]

Giants
Dallas
Sea Hawks
Rams
Browns
Pittsburgh
Dolphins
Jets
Jags
Indy
49ers
Raiders
Denver
Pats
Tampa
Falcons
Panthers Would all trade for K1 if given the chance.

Congrats. You have now earned the ASFN “Kyler Murray’s Biggest Fan” award. That’s okay. Some just don’t agree.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Giants
Dallas
Sea Hawks
Rams
Browns
Pittsburgh
Dolphins
Jets
Jags
Indy
49ers
Raiders
Denver
Pats
Tampa
Falcons
Panthers Would all trade for K1 if given the chance.

While this list does prove your point, I think about a third I would eliminate based on team construction and cap

 

[Cheesebeef]

People didn't ride Jake like this but there is the Jake / Leinart / Kolb group that is in the orbit

I think you’re misremembering.

 

[Gambler]

What other "body language" players are you aware of on the team?

I am not comparing him to the players on our team. Just the other QBs who are team leaders. The difference is remarkable.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Congrats. You have now earned the ASFN “Kyler Murray’s Biggest Fan” award. That’s okay. Some just don’t agree.

See this is why we find all this so frustrating. Absent of a salary cap, he is basically stating Murray is QB 15, which seems reasonable.

And he gets just attacked for it.

I was asked about my mental health today because I find this divisiveness so tiresome.

 

[602 Native]

While this list does prove your point, I think about a third I would eliminate based on team construction and cap

I can’t disagree with that plus a lot of those teams are also terrible franchises like the Cards.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I think you’re misremembering.

I love Jake so maybe.

 

[kerouac9]

Jake Plummer says hello.

We picked apart Kurt Warner vs Matt Leinart

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

We picked apart Kurt Warner vs Matt Leinart

Warner's character was never attacked on this board

Leinart's character was but not his intelligence.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Giants
Dallas
Sea Hawks
Rams
Browns
Pittsburgh
Dolphins
Jets
Jags
Indy
49ers
Raiders
Denver
Pats
Tampa
Falcons
Panthers Would all trade for K1 if given the chance.

The 49ers?! LOL!

Denver? Their Head Coach had a chance to coach Kyler and rather took a team that was going to have to commit cap suicide for a year or two instead.

Tampa?! With one of the best offenses in the league and a resurgent Baker on a manageable contract?

Pittsburg? Why pay Kyler 50 million when you’ve already got just as good if not better offensive production with Fields at MUCH CHEAPER cost?

Falcons?! With Kurt playing the best ball of his life AND having just drafted a QBOTF?

Those suggestions make very little sense.

Panthers/Browns/jags/Indy/Raiders/Miami/Dallas/Jets would probably be happy with Kyler. Then again, those are some of the worst organizations in the league, so of course they’d salivate over his inconsistency.

Seattle could be a place he could flourish though with the right coaching. Any of those other spots and I think we’re looking at the same questions being asked.

 

[Gambler]

See this is why we find all this so frustrating. Absent of a salary cap, he is basically stating Murray is QB 15, which seems reasonable.

And he gets just attacked for it.

I was asked about my mental health today because I find this divisiveness so tiresome.

Absent of salary cap? That’s like saying “other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play”?

 

[602 Native]

We picked apart Kurt Warner vs Matt Leinart

Don’t remind me.

They would bring Kurt in and the offense would sing and I would be like why is Leinart playing?

Then Kurt retired and I couldn’t believe Wizenhunt cut Leinart and went with Anderson right before the season started.

That’s probably when I became radicalized. LOL

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Absent of salary cap? That’s like saying “other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play”?

Okay....

 

[kerouac9]

He is not average he plays for a below average team and today was big time proof.

See this is why we find all this so frustrating. Absent of a salary cap, he is basically stating Murray is QB 15, which seems reasonable.

And he gets just attacked for it.

I was asked about my mental health today because I find this divisiveness so tiresome.

Yeah sorry if he said that Kyler was a top 15 QB I don’t think there’d be much debate. Kyler is a mid-tier QB right now playing on a bad team.

What happens is he gets criticized. This game wasn’t really his fault, but he also didn’t life anyone up.

If you get plaudits for a middling passing performance like last weeks’s against San Fran, you’re gonna get criticized for a similar performance with a worse result.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Warner's character was never attacked on this board

Leinart's character was but not his intelligence.

This distorts arguments. No one questions Kyler’s “intelligence”. They question his football intelligence/acumen. That’s totally different than what you’re implying.