Using totals, it's no coincidence that Ayton is #1 in fouls, Craig is #2. To add insult to injury Ayton is #2 on the team in turnovers. Craig is #6 in Turnovers. So, I don't think it's match up issues. Why? Here are the def rating leaders on the team.
I disagree. When drawing comparison, if possible, you should use like for like. In other words totals to totals. I wouldn't compare +/- totals to averages if trying to correlate. If I was using per game +/- and comparing it to per game fouls and turnovers that easier to coorelate.
Using totals, it's no coincidence that Ayton is #1 in fouls, Craig is #2. To add insult to injury Ayton is #2 on the team in turnovers. Craig is #6 in Turnovers. So, I don't think it's match up issues. Why? Here are the def rating leaders on the team.
Biyombo 107.9
Ayton 113.3
Warren 111.8
Durant 112.2
Paul 112.3
Okogie 112.7
Wainright 112.8
Craig 113.1
Phoenix Suns Players Defensive Ratings | StatMuse
Bradley Beal has a defensive rating of 117.9 for the Suns this season.www.statmuse.com
Yeah but the majority of turnovers that are really Ayton’s fault due to failing to catch an easy pass or failing to seal his defender aren’t attributed to him. They’re attributed to the passer. So I view that ranking dubiously.
Player 1 gets 5 fouls in 50 minutes.I disagree. When drawing comparison, if possible, you should use like for like. In other words totals to totals. I wouldn't compare +/- totals to averages if trying to correlate. If I was using per game +/- and comparing it to per game fouls and turnovers that easier to coorelate.
Having said that? According to ESPN Ayton is #5 in turnovers (1.8) and #2 in PF (2.8). Craig is #10 in turnovers (1.0) but in PF he is #4 (2.3). I still see correlation.
Both of those stats can lead to opposing points.
Phoenix Suns 2023-24 NBA Regular Season Stats - ESPN
Full team stats for the 2023-24 Regular Season Phoenix Suns on ESPN. Includes team leaders in points, rebounds and assists.www.espn.com
What I am saying is that looking at totals of fouls and turnovers it correlates because those create scoring opportunities for the other team. When you look at each players Defensive rating you begin to wonder how the +/- numbers could be. That is until you look at totals in those categories.
This is a very good point.
He is a top 5 at his position player. There just aren't that many good centers.
He is terrible... he would be the 3rd best Center on Minnesota alone...
BS. Gobert is trash. Ayton is far superior, you can't even play Gobert against most teams he is such a liability on the perimeter.
So it's your position he is never going to improve?
What has he improved this year?
His hook shot is much more reliable. His switching defense has improved.
I think he's gone the other direction this year. And faster than anybody wants.
You’re watching a different guy than I am. He’s been bad at every level of defense this year. If you’re hanging your hat on improvement on his hook shot in the face of BAD regression everywhere else, you’re argument is like pissing into the wind.
We have heard this kind of stuff about Ayton constantly.
Is this wishful thinking or are there stats to back it up? It's a legit question. I have not looked his stats up recently. It's true that every season he has gotten better but earlier this season when I checked, his numbers were down and this would be the first season he has not improved.
Gobert is a better rebounder and better rim protector. Yes he has deficiencies on the offensive end and can get roasted in small-ball lineups but people never question his effort. And the fact that he doesn’t need to score wouldn’t be bad with 2 guys who are shot hungry.
I don't think from here on out we are going to see major leaps for Ayton. This might be near Ayton's ceiling. That's not to say he doesn't pick up good habits or can improve slightly here or there. However, I don't expect to see any major leaps from him and all of the sudden and become the next David Robinson. Ayton is who he is.
