Offense did more than enough

[Chopper0080]

Defensive gameplan and playcalling was not able to be overcome. Kliff not perfect. Kyler not perfect. Vance was atrocious.

 

[nashman]

It’s 100% a part of the REASONS we lost. Listen it’s ok to criticize your star player when it’s deserved. You’re just being a total Kyler blowhard if you can’t recognize when he contributes to a loss. Not completing the pass for the first in the 4th which he SHOULD do. Did he make up for that too? We get it you love him. But he isn’t without flaws no matter how awesome he is much in the game. Those flaws contribute to L’s

Terrible play call in the 4th to even call one of his known weakest throws. But point being the D TD that was at the very beginning of the game was not what lost this game, especially when he balanced the score immediately! Every player makes mistakes and it was not saying it wasn’t, just it had nothing to do with losing this game! We lost the game become the Defense sucks and couldn’t stop or even pressure a rookie and still somehow constantly leaves WRs wide open all game long!

 

[Shane]

Terrible play call in the 4th to even call one of his known weakest throws. But point being the D TD that was at the very beginning of the game was not what lost this game, especially when he balanced the score immediately! Every player makes mistakes and it was not saying it wasn’t, just it had nothing to do with losing this game! We lost the game become the Defense sucks and couldn’t stop or even pressure a rookie and still somehow constantly leaves WRs wide open all game long!

There’s no debating with you when you clearly can’t see that it 1000% did have something to do with losing the game. Your such a blowhard literally every time Kyler makes a mistake you ALWAYS SAY ITS THE PLAY CALL LOL....

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Terrible play call in the 4th to even call one of his known weakest throws. But point being the D TD that was at the very beginning of the game was not what lost this game, especially when he balanced the score immediately! Every player makes mistakes and it was not saying it wasn’t, just it had nothing to do with losing this game! We lost the game become the Defense sucks and couldn’t stop or even pressure a rookie and still somehow constantly leaves WRs wide open all game long!

It's not what lost the game, but it contributed to the loss. I didn't think think this was such a complicated concept to grasp.

 

[nashman]

There’s no debating with you when you clearly can’t see that it 1000% did have something to do with losing the game. Your such a blowhard literally every time Kyler makes a mistake you ALWAYS SAY ITS THE PLAY CALL LOL....

sure thing Shane

the playcalling was great and the defense is not the reason we lose games got it thanks for clearing that up...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

sure thing Shane

the playcalling was great and the defense is not the reason we lose games got it thanks for clearing that up...

Nice strawman...

 

[TaylorSwift]

It’s 100% a part of the REASONS we lost. Listen it’s ok to criticize your star player when it’s deserved. You’re just being a total Kyler blowhard if you can’t recognize when he contributes to a loss. Not completing the pass for the first in the 4th which he SHOULD do. Did he make up for that too? We get it you love him. But he isn’t without flaws no matter how awesome he is much of the game. Those flaws contribute to L’s

The fulcrum of the game rested on the offense driving down the field and winning that game.

Kyler hits Kirk for a 35 yard pass play

And what does Kliff do?

He runs the ball on 1st and 2nd down

What winning coach in the NFL have you ever seen call those sort of plays.

Thats something I would would expect out of Lovie Smith or Rex Ryan, not a supposed offensive mastermind like Kliff Kingsbury


Cardinals offense should have won that game and the coach urinated it away.

 

[nashman]

It's not what lost the game, but it contributed to the loss. I didn't think think this was such a complicated concept to grasp.

About as specific as saying any 1 single play in a game matters. Geesh every play contributes to wins or losses that’s saying nothing.

 

[Shane]

The fulcrum of the game rested on the offense driving down the field and winning that game.

Kyler hits Kirk for a 35 yard pass play

And what does Kliff do?

He runs the ball on 1st and 2nd down

What winning coach in the NFL have you ever seen call those sort of plays.

Thats something I would would expect out of Lovie Smith or Rex Ryan, not a supposed offensive mastermind like Kliff Kingsbury


Cardinals offense should have won that game and the coach urinated it away.

absolutely but if Kyler doesn’t have atrocious ball security fumbling it away for a defensive touchdown for Miami we’re likely not in that position to begin with. We will never know. But it IS A REASON WE LOST AS WELL.

 

[PJ1]

The D lost this game. Dumb penalties and too much Kevin Peterson. We have a questionable secondary when healthy. Two starters out and we are in trouble. Even worse that Miami was missing starters on offense.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

About as specific as saying any 1 single play in a game matters. Geesh every play contributes to wins or losses that’s saying nothing.

No it's not, lol. Comparing some random incomplete pass or penalty that gives the other team a 1st down for instance is not comparable to gifting the other team a TD with a fumble...

 

[Shane]

What’s true is without Murray we aren’t even competitive! He again more than made up for a very early error where a guy came unlocked and made a play. Not the reason we lost that’s just dumb! The DEFENSE is the problem on this team period!

your the one literally saying kylers mistake wasn’t a reason. “He made up for it and zeroed it out” or something to that effect. There is no such thing as zeroing out points off of turnovers in fact almost every expert tells you that the one thing that will cause you to lose games every time is turnovers especially when they get points off of them. It is 100% the great equalizer.

 

[Shane]

No it's not, lol. Comparing some random incomplete pass or penalty that gives the other team a 1st down for instance is not comparable to gifting the other team a TD with a fumble...

That’s the difference you and I aren’t here saying that the rest DIDNT contribute to it or wasn’t part of the reason like he is with Kyler’s mistake.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The D lost this game. Dumb penalties and too much Kevin Peterson. We have a questionable secondary when healthy. Two starters out and we are in trouble. Even worse that Miami was missing starters on offense.

Defense was also missing some key players. Kirkpatrick as poor as he's been is easily our 2nd best OCB, Murphy plays a big role on the defense from the slot and Kennard has been a solid starter for us.

 

[TaylorSwift]

absolutely but if Kyler doesn’t have atrocious ball security fumbling it away for a defensive touchdown for Miami we’re likely not in that position to begin with. We will never know. But it IS A REASON WE LOST AS WELL.

I get that, there is a point to that as well. Thats 7 points on the board in favor for Miami and puts the Cards in the hole.

But in that moment when the Cardinals chance was greatest to win the game, Kliff looked scared to win it.

None of these playoff teams would be running twice playing for a field goal being down 3 with less than 2 minutes on the board.

I hope this is something Kiem has insight on and can 1 on 1 with Kliff about because this is costing the Cardinals football games now.

 

[nashman]

Defense sucks period! Even if we make the FG we headed to a 3rd OT game because our D is awful and folds repeatedly and allows rookies, backups to perform like freaking Brady it’s really that simple. Want to complain about Murray getting backed up and squashed by a free rusher go for it, still not the reason we lost. Done debating that the play at the very beginning of the game is somehow the reason we gave up an additional 27 freaking points to a rookie geesh

 

[PJ1]

Defense was also missing some key players. Kirkpatrick as poor as he's been is easily our 2nd best OCB, Murphy plays a big role on the defense from the slot and Kennard has been a solid starter for us.

Agreed which is why I stated we had two starters out in the secondary.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Defense sucks period! Even if we make the FG we headed to a 3rd OT game because our D is awful and folds repeatedly and allows rookies, backups to perform like ******* Brady it’s really that simple. Want to complain about Murray getting backed up and squashed by a free rusher go for it, still not the reason we lost. Done debating that the play at the very beginning of the game is somehow the reason we gave up an additional 27 ******* points to a rookie geesh

Can you make an argument without using strawman arguments? No one on this board is suggesting that the defense didn't play a big role in this loss. Of course they played bad and had they played better we probably win. We also probably win despite the bad defense without Miami's defensive TD. This is not some black and white situation where only one thing can be a contributing factor and in this case it was quite a few things that contributed to include some poor coaching, poor defense and also the KM fumble.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Agreed which is why I stated we had two starters out in the secondary.

Disregard, must have misread your post.

 

[iLLmatiC]

absolutely but if Kyler doesn’t have atrocious ball security fumbling it away for a defensive touchdown for Miami we’re likely not in that position to begin with. We will never know. But it IS A REASON WE LOST AS WELL.

But Kliff Kingsbury is a lot easier to say then to explain the many situations when the Cardinals did their best keystone cop impersonation.

 

[Finito]

It’s 100% a part of the REASONS we lost. Listen it’s ok to criticize your star player when it’s deserved. You’re just being a total Kyler blowhard if you can’t recognize when he contributes to a loss. Not completing the pass for the first in the 4th which he SHOULD do. Did he make up for that too? We get it you love him. But he isn’t without flaws no matter how awesome he is much of the game. Those flaws contribute to L’s

He had 384 total yards and 4 touchdowns. How bout a little help here guys!!!

we had a lot of reasons for losing this game but if your looking at that guy? Then you got an agenda.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He had 384 total yards and 4 touchdowns. How bout a little help here guys!!!

we had a lot of reasons for losing this game but if your looking at that guy? Then you got an agenda.

So are you suggesting that his fumble wasn't a contributing factor though? Of course he played a good game overall and of course we would have lost bad if he didn't play so well after the fumble, but that 7 points absolutely contributed to Miami winning.

 

[iLLmatiC]

But Kliff Kingsbury is a lot easier to say then to explain the many situations when the Cardinals did their best keystone cop impersonation.

What about budda completely whiffing on Tua on that 3rd down run. The defense just needed one key stop and came up with nothing.

 

[iLLmatiC]

^ But Kliff Kingsbury

 

[Shane]

He had 384 total yards and 4 touchdowns. How bout a little help here guys!!!

we had a lot of reasons for losing this game but if your looking at that guy? Then you got an agenda.

he has a fantastic game no doubt and was at an mvp level for much of it. But that was a HUGE boneheaded play and horrible ball security. It was apart of the reasons we lost and if you can’t look past his stats and see that you’re just a over the top blow hard lol.... to say he has no blame at all is just asinine.