The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[pokerface]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but apparently the Hawks are willing to trade the #3 pick. So the Hawks at #3 and Grizzlies at #4 are both willing to move their picks. I think it is a possibility the Suns could somehow pull something to get one of those picks and leave the draft with Ayton and Doncic. They may even try something else and end up with Towns and Doncic, who knows.

Having the #1 pick is great but there have been so many trade rumors floating around and realistically the Suns have the assets to pull off any move. That #1 pick has real value, not that I want to see it be traded but it's not a pipe dream or being a delusional Suns fan thinking we could put together a package that doesn't include Booker for virtually any superstar in the league, crazy.


http://www.basketballinsiders.com/s...3-overall-pick/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss

Well Doncic could be gone at two...but still interesting

 

[elindholm]

I'm starting to wonder, does every other team's fan base go through this when they get the #1 pick? Maybe they do.

 

[HeHasRosen]

So #1 #3 & #4 are open for trades? Guess the Kings are picking Doncic lol

Its fun to toy around with. I could see us or dallas trying to move up between 2 and 5 to grab someone. It might all just be noise rn though

 

[pokerface]

So #1 #3 & #4 are open for trades? Guess the Kings are picking Doncic lol

Its fun to toy around with. I could see us or dallas trying to move up between 2 and 5 to grab someone. It might all just be noise rn though

I think we should package our pick with Brandon Knight to get out of his contract.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I think we should package our pick with Brandon Knight to get out of his contract.

We'd probably have to throw in Jackson too.

 

[Hoop Head]

Well Doncic could be gone at two...but still interesting

It's far from guaranteed that Doncic will go #2. If it was a ranking of where players should go, then year he'd probably go #2 but he doesn't want to go to the Kings and I doubt they draft someone who will stay in Europe longer if they pick him. That's ok if you take someone after #10 or so but not #2 overall. We'll see what happens but I'd be surprised if the top 5 selections are made by the same teams that were assigned those picks in the lottery. Someone is going to make a trade at some point, who and where and what player they're after are the questions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm starting to wonder, does every other team's fan base go through this when they get the #1 pick? Maybe they do.

remember when people declared "The Doncic Civil War Is Over!" because we got the first pick? That always struck me as odd considering it's the ONLY pick where it would have still been debated because if we got the 2nd pick, ONE of those guys would have already been gone!

 

[Raindog]

Here is the nitwit article of the day:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ing-no-1-pick-and-it-might-not-be-a-bad-idea/

Yes, you read that right - this nincompoop is seriously suggesting we should trade the first pick straight up for either Marc Gasol or Kevin Love (no extra picks or anything else)... and that it would actually be a GOOD IDEA for us! Wherever he is writing this garbage, it must be next to a paint or airplane glue factory or something. Basketball (and most other) writers at CBS Sports.com never fail to bring the stupid.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Okay... here's a question...

Does anyone here do Jackson/#1 for Anthony Davis and their first round pick?

That would give us EASILY the best big man in basketball. A complete and utter savant at C who can play anywhere who can then be paired with Booker as an absolutely sure fire lethal duo.

Then, we'd still have the 16th pick, the 22th pick (from the Pelicans) in this year's draft.. and hell, either milwaukee's pick or a top 5 Suns protected pick next year to try and move up to #10 to get a Mikal or Miles Bridges?

So, then you're building around Booker/Bridges/Davis?

I'd probably do that. But that's the only way I'm trading that first pick.

EDIT: Pelicans don't own their pick this year... and more importantly, Anthony Davis hasn't said a peep about wanting out.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here is the nitwit article of the day:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ing-no-1-pick-and-it-might-not-be-a-bad-idea/

Yes, you read that right - this nincompoop is seriously suggesting we should trade the first pick straight up for either Marc Gasol or Kevin Love (no extra picks or anything else)... and that it would actually be a GOOD IDEA for us! Wherever he is writing this garbage, it must be next to a paint or airplane glue factory or something. Basketball (and most other) writers at CBS Sports.com never fail to bring the stupid.

that is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet today... which is really saying something after reading a bunch of Ouchie's posts earlier.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Good grief. Why can't we just pick the best player in the draft with the top pick in the draft and go from there?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good grief. Why can't we just pick the best player in the draft with the top pick in the draft and go from there?

Hey... I'm cool with it! I was just playing the "what if" McD IS the idiot I believe him to be game and decides to trade it.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Here is the nitwit article of the day:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ing-no-1-pick-and-it-might-not-be-a-bad-idea/

Yes, you read that right - this nincompoop is seriously suggesting we should trade the first pick straight up for either Marc Gasol or Kevin Love (no extra picks or anything else)... and that it would actually be a GOOD IDEA for us! Wherever he is writing this garbage, it must be next to a paint or airplane glue factory or something. Basketball (and most other) writers at CBS Sports.com never fail to bring the stupid.

That is absolute insanity.

 

[GatorAZ]

Who would Slin take?

 

[Hoop Head]

Who would Slin take?

From what I've seen him post elsewhere, he seems to be bashing Doncic quite a bit. People have already questioned if the Suns picked him if he would take Bender's spot as the player he bashes constantly and sometimes for no reason. Be glad he's not here for the debates that have happened regarding Doncic.

Sidenote, he does still swear Bender is the still the worst player in the league and was the worst player in the league all of this last season. I think the Bender hate has knocked his credibility down a bit. I know he'd usually post a lot of good info around the draft but since the 2016 draft he became enamored with Chriss and views Bender like someone who has personally wronged him in his life. It's a bit much.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sidenote, he does still swear Bender is the still the worst player in the league and was the worst player in the league all of this last season. I think the Bender hate has knocked his credibility down a bit. I know he'd usually post a lot of good info around the draft but since the 2016 draft he became enamored with Chriss and views Bender like someone who has personally wronged him in his life. It's a bit much.

Bender wasn't the worst player in the league but for players that received decent minutes he has to be in the conversation. But the same goes with Chriss. Hopefully Koko can do something with one or the other of them. Otherwise, that draft year will live on in infamy for Suns fans.

 

[GatorAZ]

From what I've seen him post elsewhere, he seems to be bashing Doncic quite a bit. People have already questioned if the Suns picked him if he would take Bender's spot as the player he bashes constantly and sometimes for no reason. Be glad he's not here for the debates that have happened regarding Doncic.

Sidenote, he does still swear Bender is the still the worst player in the league and was the worst player in the league all of this last season. I think the Bender hate has knocked his credibility down a bit. I know he'd usually post a lot of good info around the draft but since the 2016 draft he became enamored with Chriss and views Bender like someone who has personally wronged him in his life. It's a bit much.

I remember you saying he was on reddit now. Bender must have wronged him at some point.

 

[pokerface]

Here is the nitwit article of the day:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ing-no-1-pick-and-it-might-not-be-a-bad-idea/

Yes, you read that right - this nincompoop is seriously suggesting we should trade the first pick straight up for either Marc Gasol or Kevin Love (no extra picks or anything else)... and that it would actually be a GOOD IDEA for us! Wherever he is writing this garbage, it must be next to a paint or airplane glue factory or something. Basketball (and most other) writers at CBS Sports.com never fail to bring the stupid.

He actually wrote that! He should get thrown in a North Korean camp for that!

 

[1tinsoldier]

Young's freshman year statistics are eerily similar to Curry's junior year numbers. Young had a 38.5 percent usage (tops in college hoops), 48.5 percent assist rate (tops in college hoops), and shot 36.1 percent from 3 on 327 attempts. Curry had a 38 percent usage (tops in college hoops), 40.2 percent assist rate (eighth in college hoops) and shot 38.7 percent from three on 336 attempts...Steve Nash is Young's favorite NBA player of all time. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...om-trae-youngs-swagger-to-mo-bambas-wingspan/

i'll admit pulling off a package of Young and Bamba (or Bagley, JJJ, Porter) is enticing
but McD talk of trading #1 for a vet is INSANITY with all the star power in this draft

just talking about it shows his stupidity
what does he gain by it? leverage with who for what?
if you want leverage, mention the word "superstar" not "veteran player straight up"
why risk insulting Ayton or Doncic?

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd rather use the 1st pick on Doncic than trade it for KAT.

Swing for the fences. KAT is really good, he isn't franchise altering and I think Ayton has potential to be generational. I honestly think he will be better than Towns.

 

[Hoop Head]

What if the deal was KAT and Tyus Jones for #1? Would that swing it more in the Suns favor? I know Jones looked good at a few points this year behind Teague. He fell out of favor with Thibs when they added Rose but considering his history with Rose that isn't a surprise he'd go to him instead of a 3rd year player. He's on the last year of his rookie contract and averaged 5.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, and only 0.7 turnovers. He shot 35% from 3 also. His per 36 numbers are better, of course, with 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.7 apg, and 1.4 to. His full stats are available at that link above. That could sweeten the deal for the Suns.

I'm not saying I'd do that deal but the Wolves would need to include something in addition to KAT to make it work, they'd need to sweeten the deal a bit more and Jones is a good start.

 

[Phrazbit]

What if the deal was KAT and Tyus Jones for #1? Would that swing it more in the Suns favor? I know Jones looked good at a few points this year behind Teague. He fell out of favor with Thibs when they added Rose but considering his history with Rose that isn't a surprise he'd go to him instead of a 3rd year player. He's on the last year of his rookie contract and averaged 5.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, and only 0.7 turnovers. He shot 35% from 3 also. His per 36 numbers are better, of course, with 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.7 apg, and 1.4 to. His full stats are available at that link above. That could sweeten the deal for the Suns.

I'm not saying I'd do that deal but the Wolves would need to include something in addition to KAT to make it work, they'd need to sweeten the deal a bit more and Jones is a good start.

No... it doesn't move it at all. When you're talking about trading stars and potential superstars Jones is a scrap.

The only way I'd consider moving the pick is for a bonafide superstar that is locked in for 3 or 4 years. That's it. Nothing short of that even moves the needle.

 

[Good Guy]

It is surprising to me that so many think that selecting Ayton is a no-brainer.

His offensive game seems to be on track to be elite, but when I look to the Suns being in the playoffs at some point, I can see defenders like Davis, Capela, and Draymond (and whoever the next generation of mobile big guys is like JJJ and Bamba) being able to keep up with him somewhat on the inside and on the perimeter. And I only bring up this part about his offense because of the comparisons to Hakeem and Robinson...I don't remember defenders like Davis and Green going up against these guys in the 90s.

But even if Ayton can't be stopped offensively, the fact that he hasn't shown any defensive IQ, whether it's because he doesn't have any or because of Arizona's coaching/personnel situation, is concerning. His D would likely be tolerable during the regular season as the Suns progress from ~20 wins to 35-45 wins over the next few years. But this could be a huge problem in the playoffs when teams more deliberately attack him. Who does he guard when playing a team like the Warriors or Celtics in a 7-game series? Even if the perimeter guys become competent defenders, everything crumbles if Ayton can never figure out what's going on. I think Ayton has more of a chance to become unplayable during crunch time in playoff games compared to Doncic and some of the other top guys.

In the end I'm still leaning Ayton #1, but that's mostly because it's a crapshoot anyway and avoiding the fan revolt and more bad local press is important enough to give Ayton the edge.

 

[Phrazbit]

It is surprising to me that so many think that selecting Ayton is a no-brainer.

His offensive game seems to be on track to be elite, but when I look to the Suns being in the playoffs at some point, I can see defenders like Davis, Capela, and Draymond (and whoever the next generation of mobile big guys is like JJJ and Bamba) being able to keep up with him somewhat on the inside and on the perimeter. And I only bring up this part about his offense because of the comparisons to Hakeem and Robinson...I don't remember defenders like Davis and Green going up against these guys in the 90s.

But even if Ayton can't be stopped offensively, the fact that he hasn't shown any defensive IQ, whether it's because he doesn't have any or because of Arizona's coaching/personnel situation, is concerning. His D would likely be tolerable during the regular season as the Suns progress from ~20 wins to 35-45 wins over the next few years. But this could be a huge problem in the playoffs when teams more deliberately attack him. Who does he guard when playing a team like the Warriors or Celtics in a 7-game series? Even if the perimeter guys become competent defenders, everything crumbles if Ayton can never figure out what's going on. I think Ayton has more of a chance to become unplayable during crunch time in playoff games compared to Doncic and some of the other top guys.

In the end I'm still leaning Ayton #1, but that's mostly because it's a crapshoot anyway and avoiding the fan revolt and more bad local press is important enough to give Ayton the edge.

Nonsense. There are a lot of TERRIBLE defenders that are stars on offense, they never leave the court in the clutch. The only stars that get pulled in the clutch are ones who lay bricks at the free throw line.

Furthermore, Bamba got absolutely destroyed by Duke's big men, they went ham on him. I'm not convinced that Bamba will be worth much as a one on one post defender, he will earn his money protecting the rim against cutters, while guys like Ayton shove him around and beat him to position because he is too weak to hold his ground.

And while Ayton didn't stand out on D, it's also not like he was some Greek tragedy out there either. Defense is his... only... arguable weakness, and it is still a debatable one because Arizona did not put him in a position to succeed.

And finally... defense is a team thing. You can have a beast on defense but if the teammates don't buy into a cohesive system then it won't matter, the beast will get negated by a simple screen. Kyrie Irving was a complete doormat on D, rated as one of the worst guards in the league on that end, in Boston, under a good coach with a good system, he rated as elite. Ayton, no Ayton, we won't play defense well unless the coaching staff comes up with a good system and gets the players to buy into it.

And I'm not passing on a guy who had the greatest offensive season of any college freshmen center because he struggled to contain guards on his team that stupidly had him defending on the perimeter.

 

[Covert Rain]

From what I've seen him post elsewhere, he seems to be bashing Doncic quite a bit. People have already questioned if the Suns picked him if he would take Bender's spot as the player he bashes constantly and sometimes for no reason. Be glad he's not here for the debates that have happened regarding Doncic.

Sidenote, he does still swear Bender is the still the worst player in the league and was the worst player in the league all of this last season. I think the Bender hate has knocked his credibility down a bit. I know he'd usually post a lot of good info around the draft but since the 2016 draft he became enamored with Chriss and views Bender like someone who has personally wronged him in his life. It's a bit much.

What credibility!? He worshiped Robin Lopez and had constant arguments with tons of people here that tried to tell him he was a stiff. Then defended Beasley like there was no tomorrow.

Slin has some basketball knowledge but he obsesses with the weirdest players.