Adam Schein's Take on Cardinals Win

[RugbyMuffin]

Drew Stanton must remain Cardinals' QB over Carson Palmer
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...n-must-remain-cardinals-qb-over-carson-palmer

PS - Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[desertdawg]

Pretty bold statements by that there fella.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Schein must be smokin' that stuff...

 

[az jam]

Interesting article with some valid points but Carson will be the guy for this year. Note that Stanton signed a 3 year contract with the Cars and this is year two also he is 30 years old. Maybe he becomes our starter in the future.

 

[gmabel830]

Bill Barnwell (Grantland)'s take:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-week-3-seahawks-broncos-bengals-backup-quarterbacks/

Drew Stanton, Arizona: That’s 2-0 Drew Stanton to you! After the game, Stanton told Peter King, “My stats stink, and I don’t care,” which is the sort of thing you say when you haven’t played very well and your defense has allowed 15 points per game. Stanton was lucky to come away with the win after playing middling at best football against the Giants in Week 2, and while he was slightly better this week against San Francisco, his best drives invariably seem to require a handful of penalties on the other team to succeed.

The game plan against San Francisco, especially in the first half, was very simple. The Cardinals wanted to get their receivers matched up one-on-one against a San Francisco defensive back and have Stanton try to deliver a catchable pass. Repeatedly throwing downfield to try to create jump balls, Stanton’s throws were off the mark and frequently dangerous. When the Cardinals buckled down on third down and merely tried to create a safe throw to the sticks, Stanton was much better, which was why the Cardinals were a combined 9-for-14 (64.3 percent) on third and fourth down.

He also improved in the second half, leading two touchdown drives in the third quarter to eventually win the game. The first was an 85-yard drive highlighted by an underthrown bomb to Michael Floyd that required a heavy adjustment to be completed. The second drive saw the Niners pick up consecutive personal fouls for big hits on Stanton, the first of which comfortably qualified as a very questionable decision. It was brave of Stanton to stay in, and when he used two passes to convert a second-and-30 in the fourth quarter to set up first-and-goal, it was hardly his fault that Larry Fitzgerald fumbled and gave the ball back to San Francisco.

Of these six, I think Stanton will have the shortest leash. Carson Palmer is not great when healthy, but Stanton has also shown the least upside of the six quarterbacks on this list. It wouldn’t be a mistake for the Cardinals to turn the job back over to Palmer if he recovers during their Week 4 bye.

 

[kerouac9]

Stanton showed fantastic comfort and precision in Sunday's 23-14 defeat of San Francisco.

How much precision did he show in completing only 55% of his passes? Of course this is a #hottake.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Take a look at the highlights and you will see #50 for the 49'rs flipping the referees the bird after the second roughing the passer penalty is called. Staley runs right by him and it is caught on camera.

49'rs no class.

 

[Bert]

All I know is, I'm a lot happier with the Stanton/Palmer QB controversy than the DA/Max Hall/Skelton debate...

 

[Clif]

I love Schein, but he goes a bit over the top sometimes.

See this is where teams get themselves into trouble. When people start overselling backup QB's. We probably just witnessed Stanton's ceiling. I don't want to see him hit the field for another down. He stared down a few receivers yesterday and could have gotten this team into big trouble. Let's just celebrate that and move one. Stanton is a backup.. nothing more.

If anything I hope these past few games gives Carson a chance to sit back and realize what this team can do if he doesn't take unnecessary chances. Don't throw the ball up for grabs and we will always be in it.

 

[DoTheDew]

How much precision did he show in completing only 55% of his passes? Of course this is a #hottake.

I'll be interested to see his adjusted completion percentage. It seemed like we threw deep quite a bit which naturally brings down that completion %.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'll be interested to see his adjusted completion percentage. It seemed like we threw deep quite a bit which naturally brings down that completion %.

So did Palmer last year and he's completed about 64% in this offense.

 

[DoTheDew]

So did Palmer last year and he's completed about 64% in this offense.

Correct. I'm not trying to argue that Stanton is more accurate than Palmer. I'd just like to see how he compares to the league when you factor in the type of passes we throw.

 

[conraddobler]

I am the last person to defend Palmer but it is silly to compare the two. I am just happy he was able to avoid being the reason we lost.

I like Stanton too he's got some toughness but let's give it some time and keep some perspective here.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

All I know is, I'm a lot happier with the Stanton/Palmer QB controversy than the DA/Max Hall/Skelton debate...

Exactly...I'd much rather have a controversy than debating on which QB the Cards can run out their and be least embarrassed.

 

[TJ]

Talk to me when his completion % gets to 62%+ and he continues to keep his INTs to a minimum

 

[Mitch]

Drew Stanton left his heart on that football field yesterday---which is what coaches dream of from their players. He was like Domino's Pizza---he delivered. Scrutinize his performance all you want---but I can guarantee you that BA doesn't see Stanton as strictly a backup QB. Therefore, should any of us at this point? Words cannot adequately express the admiration I feel for him. To see him crying on the bench in the afterglow of this victory, was to me, akin to seeing A-Dub crying after the NFC Championship. In both cases, two of the happiest moments of being a lifelong Cardinals' fan.

 

[conraddobler]

Two words Scott Mitchell. It's only two games. The NFL weeds out those who can play from those who can't. Heart is awesome but it's not even most important. I wouldn't say Montana had heart really at all. I would say in his prime there is no QB I would rather put money on.

 

[Iceman]

Here's my take, if palmer is in the game vs the 49ers we lose. The reason, palmer throws ints. Not saying stanton is the best qb, but in the 2 games he has not thrown an int or fumbled and gave the cards the chance to come out on top each game. He kept our defense off the field with long drives and no picks. Was there times that he threw dangerous passes- yes. But all big time QB's do to. I guess I am pleading for stanton because the team believes in him and he has some serious thoughness. I like palmer, but I like Stanton better right now. Stats aren't the best, but the win column is what matters. This is all my opinion and how I feel we have the best chances to stay undefeated

 

[Mitch]

Here's my take, if palmer is in the game vs the 49ers we lose. The reason, palmer throws ints. Not saying stanton is the best qb, but in the 2 games he has not thrown an int or fumbled and gave the cards the chance to come out on top each game. He kept our defense off the field with long drives and no picks. Was there times that he threw dangerous passes- yes. But all big time QB's do to. I guess I am pleading for stanton because the team believes in him and he has some serious thoughness. I like palmer, but I like Stanton better right now. Stats aren't the best, but the win column is what matters. This is all my opinion and how I feel we have the best chances to stay undefeated

Great post. Like Steve Keim said today, it sure is nice to have two QBs who are playing well. BA will do what's best for the team. There's no politics with this coach. He will do what he thinks is best for the team.

 

[conraddobler]

Don't get me wrong. I think Stanton may ultimately be getting the chance of a lifetime but I'm highly skeptical.

It is very encouraging that he seems to be progressing.

Palmer and his interceptions drove me to distraction.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I have been saying this for the last 24 hours.

I have seen what I needed to from Drew Stanton at this point. HAs anyone seen him throw into coverage in two games. Palmer does that 3-4 times A GAME. I really like Palmer but we dont need to sling the ball 50 times to win. We have a complete team.

Which is why the guy who doesnt turn over the ball, can pick up the first down with his feet when needed, AND do about a 80% impression of the big play down field throws Palmer makes that WOW you.

This seems silly right now. But I actually think this will become a #hottertake as time goes on.

Think you guys are underselling Stanton. And I actually like Palmer more than most. But we lose that game yesterday with him as I see AT LEAST 1 Niners INT that completly changes the game. I dont think BA will make the change but Im shocked its less talked about and seen as inevitable that Palmer takes back over.

Credit to BA on that. In Arians I trust but I think Stanton is better than people are giving him credit for.

 

[Clif]

What? Stanton threw the ball up for grabs a couple of times yesterday.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

My big beef with Stanton is the stare down and the fact that he puts way too much air under his deep balls. They allow the defender time to catch up and or react to the ball. When throwing the deep ball Stanton looks like Purvis Short out there.

 

[WildBB]

Bill Barnwell (Grantland)'s take:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-week-3-seahawks-broncos-bengals-backup-quarterbacks/

Drew Stanton, Arizona: That’s 2-0 Drew Stanton to you! After the game, Stanton told Peter King, “My stats stink, and I don’t care,” which is the sort of thing you say when you haven’t played very well and your defense has allowed 15 points per game. Stanton was lucky to come away with the win after playing middling at best football against the Giants in Week 2, and while he was slightly better this week against San Francisco, his best drives invariably seem to require a handful of penalties on the other team to succeed.

The game plan against San Francisco, especially in the first half, was very simple. The Cardinals wanted to get their receivers matched up one-on-one against a San Francisco defensive back and have Stanton try to deliver a catchable pass. Repeatedly throwing downfield to try to create jump balls, Stanton’s throws were off the mark and frequently dangerous. When the Cardinals buckled down on third down and merely tried to create a safe throw to the sticks, Stanton was much better, which was why the Cardinals were a combined 9-for-14 (64.3 percent) on third and fourth down.

He also improved in the second half, leading two touchdown drives in the third quarter to eventually win the game. The first was an 85-yard drive highlighted by an underthrown bomb to Michael Floyd that required a heavy adjustment to be completed. The second drive saw the Niners pick up consecutive personal fouls for big hits on Stanton, the first of which comfortably qualified as a very questionable decision. It was brave of Stanton to stay in, and when he used two passes to convert a second-and-30 in the fourth quarter to set up first-and-goal, it was hardly his fault that Larry Fitzgerald fumbled and gave the ball back to San Francisco.

Of these six, I think Stanton will have the shortest leash. Carson Palmer is not great when healthy, but Stanton has also shown the least upside of the six quarterbacks on this list. It wouldn’t be a mistake for the Cardinals to turn the job back over to Palmer if he recovers during their Week 4 bye.

Dead on, imo.

The Cards' overall D is more of the story right now. They stop the run and get after it when they smell blood (3rd downs). Plenty of play makers on the back end too.

 

[jmt]

Palmer is the starter when healthy.