Jim Harbaugh...a true whiner!

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So Jim Harbaugh is taken aback by the intimidating talk of Clay Mathews.

Mathews simply stated that when playing against ateam that runs the read option, the defense needs to hit the QB.

BOO HOO. What are we suppose to do coach, gently nudge him out of bounds? Perhaps issue flags to QB's so they don't get tackled at all?

Someone commentator said, I don't remember who, that you can bet defensive coordinators have been scheming all year to stop the read option and they weren't about to show their collective hands in preseason.

I agree with Mathews. You clobber the read option QB when and if you can. Take some of the starch out of his proverbial jock strap.

Oh and by the way Mr. Harbaugh, if that kind of talk offends you then don't call the plays. Why run a read option anyway when all you really have to do is hit the d-linemen low and take out their knees?

Whiner.
 

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HC's do this when they are trying to send a message to the referee's and get calls in their favor. Will the hanky come out quicker and easier if Colon gets hit?

Some HC's do it through the media and some with referee's before the game.
 

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HC's do this when they are trying to send a message to the referee's and get calls in their favor. Will the hanky come out quicker and easier if Colon gets hit?

Some HC's do it through the media and some with referee's before the game.

Would you agree that Jim Harbaugh takes that to an extreme? Lots of coaches work the officials, but Harbaugh goes into histrionics on EVERY call/play that doesn't go his way.
 

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HC's do this when they are trying to send a message to the referee's and get calls in their favor. Will the hanky come out quicker and easier if Colon gets hit?

Some HC's do it through the media and some with referee's before the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...oaches-who-leave-the-sideline-to-argue-calls/

It will be interesting to see if this rule gets enforced.

For coaches who can’t control their tempers, a 15-yard penalty will serve as a swift reminder to stay on the sideline.
 

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Would you agree that Jim Harbaugh takes that to an extreme? Lots of coaches work the officials, but Harbaugh goes into histrionics on EVERY call/play that doesn't go his way.

Sure, not defending him, just saying this type of tactic happens is some way all the time. It happened to the 49ers with someone stating that Aldon was getting so many sacks because Justin was holding the Oline.
 

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Then Jim freaked out about about it

At least he could be more honest in his approach instead of giving out passive aggressive insinuations and then getting offended and going into a rant about being "misquoted" when you rightly interpret his comments

Going into the season you'd have to be blind or dumb to not realize the first things defenses were going to do in preparation of handling the read option this year was to hit the QB as frequently as you can - it was the first tactic they brought out against the wildcat, first tactic they brought to QBs like Vick - it's timeless

Basically the strategy is if the QB is selling a fake like he has a ball - then buy into the fake and light him up as if he had the ball ....... it's easier said than done though, but yeah ... if you put your QB at risk and use him as a RB then expect him to get hit like a RB .... if you want your QB to be protected to a very high degree there are all sorts of rules and protections in place in the pocket ...... you're gameplan - do you risk your QB getting hit or not?!

in fairness, Matthews was also doing a bit of the same - basically saying that if he's out of the pocket then he's any other player and I can hit him - that's the rule and I hope the refs call it as such

however, for harbaugh to imply that is "targeting a player" or being bounty type talk or that there is talk within their lockerroom about taking out a player is a bit ridiculous .... but that is harbaugh
 

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If Pete Carroll didn't walk this planet, Jim Harbaugh would be the most detested person in the NFL. Not that I wouldn't take Harbaugh as our Head Coach in an instant. Still, he is highly annoying if you're not a 49er fan. I suspect he's annoying even if you are a 9er fan but it's much easier to tolerate.

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Apparently TO and Phil Jackson are his mentors.

One whines about his QB. The other plants seeds in the officials minds before the game is ever played.
 

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If Pete Carroll didn't walk this planet, Jim Harbaugh would be the most detested person in the NFL. Not that I wouldn't take Harbaugh as our Head Coach in an instant. Still, he is highly annoying if you're not a 49er fan. I suspect he's annoying even if you are a 9er fan but it's much easier to tolerate.

Steve

Sums it up for me as well. I would add Jerry Jones as #3 for me.
 

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I would take Harbaughs whining ass anyday over BA coaching our team...the guy knows football & has been a winner at every level in coaching. Btw I would take Petey too

I don't understand the hate, other than those guys do things a differant way, but are winners at their craft.
 

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I would take Harbaughs whining ass anyday over BA coaching our team...the guy knows football & has been a winner at every level in coaching. Btw I would take Petey too

I don't understand the hate, other than those guys do things a differant way, but are winners at their craft.

Yes on Jim, no on Petey. I have to draw the line somewhere. I'm not sure where that line would be drawn but I'm positive Carroll is on the other side of it. I don't know what we have with Arians, I'm hoping he will turn out to be a great coach. I think it's already pretty clear that Harbaugh is a great coach. That doesn't mean I can't throw a little hate his way though.:)

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I would take Harbaughs whining ass anyday over BA coaching our team...the guy knows football & has been a winner at every level in coaching. Btw I would take Petey too

I don't understand the hate, other than those guys do things a differant way, but are winners at their craft.

"Calling It Your Job Don't Make It Right, Boss"
 

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Considering who his backup QB's are, I understand why he is so vocal about protecting his starter.
 

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Arm the refs with Tazers and tazer the coaches who get out of hand. We would see Harbaughs flopping around on the ground every week.
 

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If Pete Carroll didn't walk this planet, Jim Harbaugh would be the most detested person in the NFL. Not that I wouldn't take Harbaugh as our Head Coach in an instant. Still, he is highly annoying if you're not a 49er fan. I suspect he's annoying even if you are a 9er fan but it's much easier to tolerate.

Steve

Osprey was not necessarily for the hiring of Carroll and took a wait and see approach. now he loves the guy.. Everyone else in the league cant stand his smug ass. Just shows when he is your smug ass you can overlook it. :D:D
 

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So I guess that means when the whiners play the Seahawks they will be extra nice to Wilson.

Have to give more credit to carrol. He had nothing to work with and I didn't think he would be so good. Harbaugh inherited a good team and is the biggest douche in the nfl.
 

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Osprey was not necessarily for the hiring of Carroll and took a wait and see approach. now he loves the guy.. Everyone else in the league cant stand his smug ass. Just shows when he is your smug ass you can overlook it. :D:D

yup...it's Danny Ainge syndrome.

HATED Ainge throughout his entire career...and he became my favorite player on the Suns. Even had an Ainge poster for years. Anyone who both bites Chris Dudley's leg and nail the smug punk Mario Elie with the ball at the halfcourt while standing on the endline is an instant favorite for me.
 

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yup...it's Danny Ainge syndrome.

HATED Ainge throughout his entire career...and he became my favorite player on the Suns. Even had an Ainge poster for years. Anyone who both bites Chris Dudley's leg and nail the smug punk Mario Elie with the ball at the halfcourt while standing on the endline is an instant favorite for me.

Monte Beisel will always be a favorite Cardinal of mine for those reasons.
 

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I would take Harbaughs whining ass anyday over BA coaching our team...the guy knows football & has been a winner at every level in coaching. Btw I would take Petey too

I don't understand the hate, other than those guys do things a differant way, but are winners at their craft.

So you have a high tolerance for whiny lil *******, nice.
 

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He's just trying to get calls by putting it in the head of the ref in advance.
 

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Osprey was not necessarily for the hiring of Carroll and took a wait and see approach. now he loves the guy.. Everyone else in the league cant stand his smug ass. Just shows when he is your smug ass you can overlook it. :D:D

Heh.

I remember him as the coach of the Pats & Jets - dealing with the northeast media and more often than not coming off confused, lacking confidence and not really being able to win the support of his players or owners.

Next thing I know he's the smiling face that is starting to dominate college at USC - a school where the best thing I can say about them is that they aren't Notre Dame ....... but clearly a lot of success and a lot of buy in

USC definitely didn't get any more likeable with him there - a lot of the players that were visible were kind of obnoxious and pranks like the Lendale White fake suicide were just stupid

I was definitely skeptical of him coming in - not because of anything at USC, but because I couldn't shake those NE & NYJ teams ..... also wasn't quite sure what to expect from the guy ...... but the team made the commitment, so what can you do - I'm a Seahawks fan, he's the Seahawks coach and if it blows up they'll just fire him and life goes on

However, the difference was very noticeable with the press - this guy had confidence and the full support of ownership. He found a GM that was aggressive and they formed a tight partnership.

Hasselbeck tells a story about when he first started at one of the early meetings he asked every player to stand up - then he asked them to switch chairs on the other side of the room ........ one veteran player just stood there - he was cut within the week

He made sure that he wasn't going to fail this time due to a lack of players of owners buying into what he did and had the confidence that his way would be successful

That first year they had almost 300 roster moves - there was no preferential treatment to USC guys or really anyone ..... the best players will make the team and those that give the best opportunity to win will play .... the game is about the football - keep it, control it and take it away and things will go well

He manages his coaches very well - he manages his roster very well - puts in a ton of hours, very organized and for someone who comes off as always upbeat is very old school and very no-nonsense in his approach

He's also fantastic in the community

So basically I respect his approach

I love how he manages the program and his philosophy to football - after watching years of front office power struggles, bend but don't break finesse defense and a precision offense that would stumble anytime one of the pieces went down it's nice to have a team that is focused on just grinding on teams that lives by next man up all the way down to how the roster is put together

As far as the in-game coach ....... I think there is still some work to be done there

He's proven to be a good engineer & mechanic - but can he handle the car he made? - it's not a given that he can

However, for everything else - yeah ... I enjoy having him as the coach - entertaining, dedicated, honest, good style of play .... a good fit in Seattle

His in-game conduct is nicer than Holmgren who would erupt at least 2-3x per game ....... he doesn't feel the need to bury kickers in press conference or decry the need for more dirtbags like Mora ..... there is no infighting

He's built a team of players that win or lose is fun to follow - they play hard, stick up for each other and there are no dividing lines on the roster ....... the 8th receiver on the roster makes a whatever catch in a preseason game? - the starting DBs are the first ones to slap him on the back when he gets to the sideline ...... they're all out for each other and that makes it fun

I can definitely understand and relate to the perception - I definitely used to carry it as well ....... I can also understand how he would rub people the wrong way, but perception doesn't match reality IMO

Here is a Q&A with Hasselbeck where he responds to the "rah-rah" stuff

On Coach Carroll's rah-rah attitude and how it has influenced the Seahawks

"I think he's got that reputation as a rah-rah guy, but I wouldn't say that. He looks young but I think he's the second-oldest coach in the NFL. He is very much an old school guy. Most of his talks to the team go back to guys like John Wooden, Bud Grant or different people he coached or played with in San Francisco or wherever, even in college, stories that none of us even remember, hardly. Today I was talking to him about the '85 Bears, the game they played in Minnesota, he was in Minnesota at the time. So I don't see him as a college coach. I know he spent the last nine years at USC as a college coach, but I really see him as a long-time NFL coach who happened to go to USC for nine years to perfect his coaching style.

So yeah .... he's our jerk and we like it

Although honestly, there are still Seahawks fans (read as Duck, Huskie & Coug fans) that really don't like the guy - insinuate that everything he does is a lie, etc and there was a definite backlash when he was hired
 

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