Some pass blocking efficiency stats!

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Look on the bright side, at least we are good at something! Unfortunately that something is sucking in pass protection. Everywhere.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/

We've managed to keep the amount of hits and sacks pretty damn low, but when KK gets hit the opposing d makes it count. And all you need is pressure to disrupt a pass play and we have allowed plenty of that. Lyle being so low surprised me because he was a top center in PBE last year. Playing with two new guards has likely attributed to his struggles.

If we don't address our OT issue this offseason I don't know what to say.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If we don't address our OT issue this offseason I don't know what to say.

Agreed.

 

[TigToad]

It will be the same thing we haven't said the last two off-seasons.

 

[D-Dogg]

Having the 3rd worst LT and the 2nd worst RT is quite surprising. I had no idea that we'd be ranked that high!

Nobody else has garbage on both sides. GB has Clifton ranked low, and then Bulaga ranked top 5. Our guys allow a hurry once every 10 dropbacks - and most of the time they don't mess up at the same time (though it is pretty brutal when both of them whiff). So you are looking at a more realistic pressure 2 out of 10 dropbacks. That's unacceptable.

And we really haven't played anyone of note yet other than Orakpo. And he was getting pressure past a TE because of our awesome OL coach.

 

[rode kardinaal]

But hey, look at the bright side. At least Hadnot is playing average enough to not be amongst the bottom 10. Woohoo!!!

 

[kerouac9]

It will be the same thing we haven't said the last two off-seasons.

LOL.

 

[Cheesebeef]

and yet, here's the party line:

“For the most part, (the tackles) have been consistent in their play,” Whisenhunt said. “As with any position, they have missed a couple of blocks but for what we have asked them to do – run-game-wise, protection-wise, especially with some of the matchups, I think they have done a good job.
“I thought they held up. That’s not to say they are there, but I believe it is a solid start for both of them.”

not... we've struggled a bit but have shown flashes. not we have concerns but will get better with time... "they've DONE A GOOD JOB... A SOLID START FOR BOTH OF THEM!" If this is a solid start for both of them, i'm terrified what a bad start would look like.

 

[BigRedRage]

lol Beef, we get it...you dont have to put that quote in every thread = P

 

[Russ Smith]

So 4 of our 5 OL's are in the bottom 5 in pass blocking and people are blaming Kolb for not being better in the pocket.

Imagine if we actually could pass block?

 

[Russ Smith]

Having the 3rd worst LT and the 2nd worst RT is quite surprising. I had no idea that we'd be ranked that high!

Nobody else has garbage on both sides. GB has Clifton ranked low, and then Bulaga ranked top 5. Our guys allow a hurry once every 10 dropbacks - and most of the time they don't mess up at the same time (though it is pretty brutal when both of them whiff). So you are looking at a more realistic pressure 2 out of 10 dropbacks. That's unacceptable.

And we really haven't played anyone of note yet other than Orakpo. And he was getting pressure past a TE because of our awesome OL coach.

Yep for example I bet Sam Baker doesn't end up that bad, he looks terrible because Cole from Philly destroyed him and in 3 games, one really bad one skews your stats.

 

[Cheesebeef]

lol Beef, we get it...you dont have to put that quote in every thread = P

ha... yeah, i know... it just seems to fit everywhere though!

seriously, i know what coach speak but he's taken the tar out of people before and the fact that he speaks in relative glowing terms about two piles of crap actually scares me into believing HE believes it... or is too stubborn to admit failure.

 

[desertdawg]

Look on the bright side, at least we are good at something! Unfortunately that something is sucking in pass protection. Everywhere.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/

We've managed to keep the amount of hits and sacks pretty damn low, but when KK gets hit the opposing d makes it count. And all you need is pressure to disrupt a pass play and we have allowed plenty of that. Lyle being so low surprised me because he was a top center in PBE last year. Playing with two new guards has likely attributed to his struggles.

If we don't address our OT issue this offseason I don't know what to say.

O-line, passrush/LBs, and secondary, probably in that order. Fire Grimm por favor.

 

[D-Dogg]

ha... yeah, i know... it just seems to fit everywhere though!

seriously, i know what coach speak but he's taken the tar out of people before and the fact that he speaks in relative glowing terms about two piles of crap actually scares me into believing HE believes it... or is too stubborn to admit failure.

Keep on posting the quote. It might be painful, but it's shockingly ridiculous. Goes beyond :coachspeak: and treads into an area of cognitive dissonance where CKW knows he's got a crap sandwich but that's all he has to eat. At this point, he may very well believe he's chomping on a tasty burger (which given the apparent lack of priority placed on bringing in OT help and the games played with Thrice Lutui makes me think he does).

 

[Cheesebeef]

O-line, passrush/LBs, and secondary, probably in that order. Fire Grimm por favor.

sounds like our biggest issues (sans QB) this last offseason too.

 

[desertdawg]

sounds like our biggest issues (sans QB) this last offseason too.

Yamon, but I think we had a good draft. Had to go PP, Williams was good thinking, I really like his ability. The fullback and the TE, Acho, I like them as well. Free agency has to get a positive grade with the Kolb trade alone (best play ready QB available IMO). It would have been nice to get more done (like putting a real focus on QB protection), now that our running game is suspect due to injury, teams will go after Kolb nonstop, not good with our O-line.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

O-line, passrush/LBs, and secondary, probably in that order. Fire Grimm por favor.

Are you crazy? First and foremost, we need more depth at TE. Heap and King are getting older, and so I think another 2 TE's will be key.

Building up the belly of the team, particularly effective when your drafts have been crap!

Those of us who pleaded for help at OT and pass rush/LB were called malcontents and whiners all offseason, and shockingly enough we're in the same position with the same results. It's the definition of insanity.

 

[desertdawg]

Are you crazy? First and foremost, we need more depth at TE. Heap and King are getting older, and so I think another 2 TE's will be key.

Building up the belly of the team, particularly effective when your drafts have been crap!

Those of us who pleaded for help at OT and pass rush/LB were called malcontents and whiners all offseason, and shockingly enough we're in the same position with the same results. It's the definition of insanity.

Look around the league amigo, there are teams that make stars out of their TEs because of their gameplan. We are just starting to do this, doesn't take a dynamo athelete. O-line is a bigger concern for next year's off season IMO. Whiz kept Grimm around, if Kolb goes down because of a blown block we are who we were last year, and the hot seat will be lit up. We can go get 6 TEs, without pass protection it don't much matter.

 

[Seandonic]

“For the most part, (the tackles) have been consistent in their play,” Whisenhunt said. “As with any position, they have missed a couple of blocks but for what we have asked them to do – run-game-wise, protection-wise, especially with some of the matchups, I think they have done a good job. “I thought they held up. That’s not to say they are there, but I believe it is a solid start for both of them.”

Anytime the Cards lose this season and you wonder what is going on with this team, just read this quote and you will understand.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Look around the league amigo, there are teams that make stars out of their TEs because of their gameplan. We are just starting to do this, doesn't take a dynamo athelete.

we're starting to make stars out of our TEs? Come on now. These guys are average TEs at best. Gronkowski, Gates, Finley, Vernon Davis... those are star TEs but it's because they're vastly superior physical/athletic specimens.

the idea that we're trying to do that with our slow as sin (but ok productionwise) TEs doesn't make much sense to me and if that is the plan, well, it's one more reason I lose faith in this coaching staff.

the idea that TE was a more pressing need than OT doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Duckjake]

Look around the league amigo, there are teams that make stars out of their TEs because of their gameplan. We are just starting to do this, doesn't take a dynamo athelete. O-line is a bigger concern for next year's off season IMO. Whiz kept Grimm around, if Kolb goes down because of a blown block we are who we were last year, and the hot seat will be lit up. We can go get 6 TEs, without pass protection it don't much matter.

I don't think so. If Kolb goes down Bartel is a very capable replacement. Of course I'm probably the only person outside Bartel's family who believes that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Look around the league amigo, there are teams that make stars out of their TEs because of their gameplan. We are just starting to do this, doesn't take a dynamo athelete. O-line is a bigger concern for next year's off season IMO. Whiz kept Grimm around, if Kolb goes down because of a blown block we are who we were last year, and the hot seat will be lit up. We can go get 6 TEs, without pass protection it don't much matter.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[kerouac9]

So 4 of our 5 OL's are in the bottom 5 in pass blocking and people are blaming Kolb for not being better in the pocket.

Imagine if we actually could pass block?

Only if you accept PFF's ratings as gospel. If you're watching the games, you're seeing fairly good protection from the interior line (Hadnot doesn't have the highs that Lutui brings, but he's been as steady as Lutui is--maybe a little more so). Colledge and Sendlein are fine. The tackles are the issue.

PFF's analysis of OL play is (I suppose) better than nothing at all, but they're not trustworthy. What does -3.2 even mean?

FootballOutsiders' analysis confirms what we should already know: this unit is fairly good at run-blocking, and brutally awful at pass protection. Without know individual scheme and assignments, it's impossible to assign blame outside of what Pasch said after a bad offense third down play: "It sure seemed like Levi Brown wasn't blocking anybody on that play." It's good that we'll be losing yet another first-round pick thiscoming offseason. We have a nice little rhythm going there.

we're starting to make stars out of our TEs? Come on now. These guys are average TEs at best. Gronkowski, Gates, Finley, Vernon Davis... those are star TEs but it's because they're vastly superior physical/athletic specimens.

the idea that we're trying to do that with our slow as sin (but ok productionwise) TEs doesn't make much sense to me and if that is the plan, well, it's one more reason I lose faith in this coaching staff.

the idea that TE was a more pressing need than OT doesn't make any sense to me.

Who was the OT you would've taken in the 3rd round? Someone who was going to start for us?

I think that DD was referring to Housler as the athletic TE who has the tools to be a star in the NFL. There wasn't a whole lot of pub about guys like Jermichael Finley and Jimmy Graham coming out of college, but they've blossomed into very good TEs. That weapon obviates the need for a good #2 WR (as I've suggested in other threads).

Todd Heap isn't the future of the Cards (unless Whis stays on his current path where Heap'll be starting for the next six seasons); Housler is the plan for the future, along with Dray (get healthy, bro).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who was the OT you would've taken in the 3rd round? Someone who was going to start for us?

what the hell are you talking about? I was talking about the fact that we made TE an off-season priority (FA and the draft) while completely ignoring OT again.

I think that DD was referring to Housler as the athletic TE who has the tools to be a star in the NFL.

then he should have referenced that as such, especially considering he was responding directly to a post that discussed Heap/King and also said we're already starting to implement that. connect the dots ther K9 and try not to put words/arguments into my mouth.

and the next "star" this FO drafts will be it's first.

 

[kerouac9]

what the hell are you talking about? I was talking about the fact that we made TE an off-season priority (FA and the draft) while completely ignoring OT again.

Who was the OT that you'd like to have seen us bring in? I think we should've made some moves for OLB in free agency, but there wasn't much there at OT that would've left us much better than if Jeremy Bridges were starting somewhere.

 

[Bobcat]

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