Draft Scenario: No Peterson, No Miller

[AsUdUdE]

while Bowers is a heck of a talent, he does not fi our scheme... if you can get a king's ransom for the pick (ala a top 12 pick, 2nd round pick, next year 3rd) then you consider it..

Otherwise you take the guy who can change your franchise and who knows how to win..

Cam Newton- Sure there is risk, but so is picking a guy who has to change positions and hasn't played for a year...

just sayin..

 

[football karma]

Gabbert, then Quinn, then Newton

the thing about trading down is this:

chances are at least two of the above players are gone -- most likely the QBs.

at (lets say) #10 -- the Cards are now in the area of Prince Amakamura (CB) or maybe one of the Offensive Tackles (Solder) or an Aldon Smith ( who I think carries the same boom or bust quality as Quinn, but the boom is smaller)

#10 feels way too high for Mallett.

I dunno -- feels like no mans land to me-- i.e. players at the 10-15 range look about the same to me as the players in the 20-25 range.

 

[Mitch]

As I've been maintaining...if we want Newton we are going to have to trade up to get him. He is the buzz of this draft. Harry made a very insightful point in that in his opinion Newton isn't the dink and dunk ball control type of QB that Whiz prefers for his system...but, then again, if you look at Newton's uncanny propensity for converting third downs, either by air or by ground...and...if you take into consideration how potentially dynamic a mobile QB could be in this offense, Newton jumps out at screams at you.

Conversely, when you look at Gabbert's struggles on third downs...you can't help but be concerned.

What we got awfully spoiled with in having Kurt Warner as QB is how amazingly often he had the right answer to keep drives moving. That, my good friends, is the name of the game.

I don't care how you get it done...but you have to get it done.

The best defense is a ball control offense that keeps moving the chains and keeps putting points on the board.

If you feel that Newton gives you the best chance for that...you do whatever it takes to try to acquire him.

In this case, I think Carolina is in a precarious position that they do not like...they surrendered the #33 pick to the Patriots as a result of a trade last year.

They have multiple needs...and they already drafted a QB in Jimmy Clausen who is supposed to be their QBOF...and with a year of growth under his belt and a new staff that could bring confidence to his game, they may already have their guy.

What it would cost the Cardinals is the #5 and #38 picks...and I think the Cardinals could obtain the Panther's 4th or 5th round pick to boot.

If the Cardinals elect to stay put at #5...and they wish to address the edge pass rush...they will be in a position to draft one of the best ones in this draft...BUT...they all have question marks:

Bowers: too big to play 34SOLB...so he would become a situational rusher...as a #5 pick?

Miller: too small, too light...in the NFL it will take him a few years to not get tossed wide like a terrier in a bull ring.

Quinn: hasn't played competitive football for over a year. Sure looks the part...but, as we saw with Jake Locker, a year can make a huge difference for what pundits consider sure-fire top 5 picks.

Aldon Smith: as raw as freshly ground sirloin...could fire up and taste sweet and juicy...but might come out stringy and undercooked. The learning curve for him is steep. Worthy of the #5 pick?

Houston: young...not particularly seasoned...but has that great first step.

Kerrigan: imo the most NFL ready pass rusher in this draft...fits the "Steeler LeBeau mode" the best because he can turn the corner with quicks and he can bull you back to the QB even against double teams. But can he play 34OLB? Again, are you getting a situational rusher?

Peterson...love this kid's athleticism and versatily...if he's there you can feel very good about taking him...heck the last time we picks at #5 we missed out on another Peterson, didn't we?

But, I think Peterson will go #2 to the Broncos. Too good for them to pass up.

I think it goes this way:

1. CAR: QB Newton
2. DEN: CB/PR Peterson
3. BUF: DE Bowers
4. CIN: WR Green

If this is the case...BPA is Nick Fairley...no doubt in my mind. You have to take him...but you still need the edge rusher, so you have to hope that Brooks Reed is there at #38. Jeremy Beal is not quick enough. He's strong...but the reason why he kept jumping off-sides at the Senior Bowl is...he lacks that great first step...in other words, he lacks the explosion and the quickness.

If Cincinnati takes Fairley instead of WR Green...the BPA is A.J. Green.

I am all over that.

He is an All-Pro waiting to happen.

Thus...in conclusion...

1. If you want Newton...you trade up.
2. If you stay put...you see how the picks go and take BPA...which will likely be Peterson, Fairley or Green.

I am fine with all 4 scenarios...

But hopeful that the edge rusher the Cardinals take at #38 or #69 is a profound difference maker.

 

[Broseph]

no way von miller goes at 3....BUT if he is gone you could either dangle the pick for kolb or draft cam newton.

 

[Buckybird]

no way von miller goes at 3....BUT if he is gone you could either dangle the pick for kolb or draft cam newton.

I've heard the 2 guys that the Bills like are Newton & Miller

 

[Snakester]

Everything that I have been reading has been saying Newton is dropping in the draft not rising. I don't think we will have any problem taking Newton at five if we want him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Everything that I have been reading has been saying Newton is dropping in the draft not rising. I don't think we will have any problem taking Newton at five if we want him.

Be prepared for all QB's to drop in this draft. It is essentially a wasted pick in a strike shortened offseason. They can't study the playbook, they get solid reps in season, and they essentially will go a full year without playing only to get a year older. Teams will be looking to fill potential holes that could be gaping if the collective bargaining agreement comes so late that there isn't free agency. With that potentially looming, how can most teams warrant spending a top pick on a player that won't have any chance in contributing to the 2011 season?

 

[Duckjake]

I trade the #5 pick to Cleveland for Colt McCoy.

I mean we used the #10 pick in the 2006 draft for a QB who only won 7 games for us in 4 years. So why not?

 

[desertdawg]

I trade the #5 pick to Cleveland for Colt McCoy.

I mean we used the #10 pick in the 2006 draft for a QB who only won 7 games for us in 4 years. So why not?

Trade the 5th, plead the 5th, and drink a 5th.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Be prepared for all QB's to drop in this draft. It is essentially a wasted pick in a strike shortened offseason. They can't study the playbook, they get solid reps in season, and they essentially will go a full year without playing only to get a year older. Teams will be looking to fill potential holes that could be gaping if the collective bargaining agreement comes so late that there isn't free agency. With that potentially looming, how can most teams warrant spending a top pick on a player that won't have any chance in contributing to the 2011 season?

If team's take your short term view, you're right.

Doubt, however, that Newton and Gabbert fall out of the top ten, as they will be cost effective investments under the new CBA.

As for rookies, no matter the round selected, they rarely contribute mightily in first year.

 

[JeffGollin]

What do the Cardinals do ?

Based on what we may know now - choose one of the three remaining guys on our Top 5 board (according to the CW - probably Fairly, Dareus or Gabbert) or trade down.

Based on what we know after the Combine and Pro Days, choose one of the three remaining guys on our board (who may or may not include Fairly, Dareus or Gabbert and might include guys like Quinn or Bowers) or trade the pick.

Who, if anybody, we bring in as QB or other positions via trade & free agency and the status of the CBA may also have a bearing on what we do.

It's still early. Let's wait and see what happens.