Crazy draft

[Snakester]

After reading a thread about trading Fitzgerald, I thought what could we do if we traded Fitz for say New Englands two first round picks, and as I thought farther I decided if we were going that far why not make a couple more trades. So here is what I came up with.

We trade Fitz for the Pats two first rounders. Numbers 17 and 27. We trade down with Washington to the number 10 spot and pick up their second rounder as well. The last trade is with dallas to get back into the third round giving up our 4th and a 6th this year and a third next year. I know it sounds like a lot but here me out.

At 10 we take Robert Quinn. He may or may not be there but if he ain't then Von Miller or Aldon Smith could be. Here we get our bigtime passrushing linebacker to team up with O'Brien Schofield.

At 17 we take the best Tackle in the draft in Gabe Carimi. Massive mauling runblocking SOB.

At 27 we take OT Anthony Castonzo. We now have our bookend tackles for the next ten years. Castonzo on the left and Carimi on the rightside.

Our original pick at 37 we take DT Phil Taylor. This 337-pounder dominated everybody he faced at the Senior Bowl and would look great platooning with Dan Williams, or when we are in a four man front to stop the run on short yardage, it sure would be nice to see a front four of Dockett, Williams, Taylor, and Campbell.

At 41 with the Redskins pick we take WR Titus Young. This guy is our homerun threat. He can take it to the house on any play.

At 64 in the third round we take our future Center in John Moffit. This road grader gives us the size and power we have been longing for in a center.

At 71 we take WR Vincent Brown. This guy was the most natural passcatcher at the SB. With him we have two top wideouts to go with Breaston and Andre Roberts. This fixes our loss of Fitz. I personally would only want to do this deal if Fitz won't re-sign with us before the draft.

Our 5th rounder is Casey Matthews. I don't think he will ever be a superstar but I think he can be a starting inside linebacker for us.

Our 6th rounder. I wasn't sure which way to go here. Either a TE or a FB. I really like what I saw of FB Owen Marecic of Stanford in the SB so if he is here when we draft then I take him.

To recap this draft.
Robert Quinn
Gabe Carimi
Anthony Castonzo
Phil Taylor
Titus Young
John Moffit
Vincent Brown
Casey Matthews
Owen Marecic.

 

[WildBB]

Interesting indeed.

A couple things. You fail to shore up the CB spot. Absolutely a no-no. We need better coverage. Toller is a nickel back. If you p/u draft picks you've got to take a shot here someplace.

You also fail the address the QB position, with more competion for the future. Also not acceptable this year.

Then you give up a 3rd next year to p/u two unproven rookies @ WR to replace Fitzgerald.

But hey, you got us a potential All-Pro OL!

The other thing is the Redskins doing that deal for a 1st and 2nd is highly improbable. For what? They don't give up their 2nd in any case.

 

[ARodg]

After reading a thread about trading Fitzgerald, I thought what could we do if we traded Fitz for say New Englands two first round picks, and as I thought farther I decided if we were going that far why not make a couple more trades. So here is what I came up with.

We trade Fitz for the Pats two first rounders. Numbers 17 and 27. We trade down with Washington to the number 10 spot and pick up their second rounder as well. The last trade is with dallas to get back into the third round giving up our 4th and a 6th this year and a third next year. I know it sounds like a lot but here me out.

At 10 we take Robert Quinn. He may or may not be there but if he ain't then Von Miller or Aldon Smith could be. Here we get our bigtime passrushing linebacker to team up with O'Brien Schofield.

At 17 we take the best Tackle in the draft in Gabe Carimi. Massive mauling runblocking SOB.

At 27 we take OT Anthony Castonzo. We now have our bookend tackles for the next ten years. Castonzo on the left and Carimi on the rightside.

Our original pick at 37 we take DT Phil Taylor. This 337-pounder dominated everybody he faced at the Senior Bowl and would look great platooning with Dan Williams, or when we are in a four man front to stop the run on short yardage, it sure would be nice to see a front four of Dockett, Williams, Taylor, and Campbell.

At 41 with the Redskins pick we take WR Titus Young. This guy is our homerun threat. He can take it to the house on any play.

At 64 in the third round we take our future Center in John Moffit. This road grader gives us the size and power we have been longing for in a center.

At 71 we take WR Vincent Brown. This guy was the most natural passcatcher at the SB. With him we have two top wideouts to go with Breaston and Andre Roberts. This fixes our loss of Fitz. I personally would only want to do this deal if Fitz won't re-sign with us before the draft.

Our 5th rounder is Casey Matthews. I don't think he will ever be a superstar but I think he can be a starting inside linebacker for us.

Our 6th rounder. I wasn't sure which way to go here. Either a TE or a FB. I really like what I saw of FB Owen Marecic of Stanford in the SB so if he is here when we draft then I take him.

To recap this draft.
Robert Quinn
Gabe Carimi
Anthony Castonzo
Phil Taylor
Titus Young
John Moffit
Vincent Brown
Casey Matthews
Owen Marecic.

Defensively

I love it. Though if I'm being absurdly picky I'd rather trade a little bit further back into the teens and take Houston over Quinn.

We'd still need some CBs, another good WR and a QB. I love this idea.

I've been hearing that Taylor can play some 5 technique as well. Personally I'm dubious, but a Front 3 of Taylor, Dumpster Dan, and Dockett would be permanent beast mode.

Schofield and Quinn (if they achieve their potential) as the edge rushers, would be excellent

Matthews and Lennon at MLB is pretty meh, but it could work if the D-Line is good enough.

Secondary is still an issue. I like the safetys but the CBs would need to be upgraded.

Offensively,

The elephant in the room is that we'd need a QB in the worst way. The problem is that the QB is the one who determines how far a team goes. If this trade goes through and the draft picks pan out, the Cards are in a position like they were last year where the insertion of a good QB (Warner) means they'd win the NFC West with ease and be in a position to do some real damage in the playoffs.

O-line looks solid to me. Carimi and Moffit will be great from day 1. I haven't watched as much Castonzo, but everything I've read about him says he's the best LT prospect in ths class. Others might say Solder but I'm sick of watching him get killed by every power rusher at the Senior Bowl.

Recieving is where it's iffy. Young, Breaston, Brown and Roberts is a good solid recieving crew. I'd like to see that somehow get another sure thing by bringing someone in in Free Agency. James Jones, Malcom Floyd, or if we're going crazy Vincent Jackson.

I love that team. Trade up to #1 for Luck in next years draft, pick up a CB and MLB in Free Agency and we're right back in contention.

 

[Buckybird]

Great draft Snake!!! Dreams scenarios like that draft would never happen to this franchise...we are the Cardinals for God's sake.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like it, especially if Taylor can play more than NT. I'd also like a better addition than Casey Matthews at ILB. Maybe take Kelvin Sheppard instead of Vince Brown because I'm assuming Breaston would be re-signed and the WR corp would be Breaston, Doucet, Young,Roberts, Williams.

 

[Snakester]

Interesting indeed.

A couple things. You fail to shore up the CB spot. Absolutely a no-no. We need better coverage. Toller is a nickel back. If you p/u draft picks you've got to take a shot here someplace.

You also fail the address the QB position, with more competion for the future. Also not acceptable this year.

Then you give up a 3rd next year to p/u two unproven rookies @ WR to replace Fitzgerald.

But hey, you got us a potential All-Pro OL!

The other thing is the Redskins doing that deal for a 1st and 2nd is highly improbable. For what? They don't give up their 2nd in any case.

I figured we would get a TE, CB and QB in free agency. Also on our O-line Levi Brown moves to LG and we re-sign Duece Lutui for RG.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

In the end a great roster wasted by the fact that the team HAS NO QB!

 

[Cards Czar]

OK I will play and give this a shot.

Arizona trades the #8 pick to Tenn for Picks #8 & 77 and 108. B. Adams said he is still going to either trade V. Young or let him go. K Collins and C.Sims are both FA and really not a options except as a back-up. Tenn Selects B.Gabbath QB Missouri.

Arizona tradtes the *8 to Minnesota for # 12 & 74. Minny has T. Jackson but he is still hurt and he is not the future in Minny. M. Shanahan is cussing up a storm as he didn't get his guy.

Arizona trades L. Fitzgerald to NE for #17 and 33 picks.
NE will not give up both 1st but the 33rd is a good pick, just like a late 1st so its a go.

Arizona re-signs S. Breston.

1A- 12 - Justin Houston- Georgia- OLB - 6-4, 250

1B- 17 - Gabe Carimi - OT-Wisc - 6-7, 315

2A- 33 - Martez Wilson - Illinois - SILB - 6-4-250

2B -38 - Leonard Hankerson - Miami - WR - 6-2, 205


3A -69 - John Moffett - Wisc - OG/C - 6-4, 315

3B -74 - Kendrick Ellis - Hampton - NT - 6-5, 340

3C -77 - Colin Kaepernick - Nevada - QB - 6-4.5, 225

4A -102 - Brooks Reed - Arizona - OLB - 6-2.5, 257

4B -108 - Jalil Brown - Colorado - CB - 6-0,202

5 -133 - Eric Hagg - Nebraska - SS - 6-2, 210

6A - 166 - Ricardo Lockett - Fort Valley St. WR - 6-3, 202 4.4 My Sleeper Pick!

6B - 180 - Lee Smith - Marshall - TE - 6-6, 269

 

[Duckjake]

These are great fun. But Bill Sr. would choke when he saw all the money needed for signing bonuses.

 

[Cards Czar]

These are great fun. But Bill Sr. would choke when he saw all the money needed for signing bonuses.

Why? He saved about 30 mil last year and gets a free 31.25 mil this year for the new Monday Night contract. Thats free money to him so in essence he could give all of those signing bonuses and still have a large chunk of money leftover.

 

[Duckjake]

Why? He saved about 30 mil last year and gets a free 31.25 mil this year for the new Monday Night contract. Thats free money to him so in essence he could give all of those signing bonuses and still have a large chunk of money leftover.

Because he's Bill Bidwill that's why.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Thats great and all, but then we have No QB AND no WR...fantastic...

 

[Cardiac]

Because he's Bill Bidwill that's why.

Tru dat.

 

[Cards Czar]

Thats great and all, but then we have No QB AND no WR...fantastic...

Thats due to we can not do anything in FA until the CBA is signed. Now if it is done before the draft well then thats a different story. Would be trading a pick for a FA QB. and signing a top flight TE OT and LB.

 

[Mitch]

A+ for creativity and planning, Gary. You too, Czar. It would be the most intriguing draft to watch if we were to garner all those picks and such fine prospects.

Gary, if you add the two tackles, do you have Levi Brown and Brandon Keith enter the competition at the guard spots?

As much as I would love to see the Cardinals get a better pass protector at LT (and am very curious about how Levi Brown would play at guard---where I believe he could dominate), one gets the clear sense that Whiz and his staff feel fine about Brown and Keith as the tackles---and they expect marked improvement this year.

 

[Goldfield]

Any draft giving 3 good OL is fine with me.

 

[ARodg]

Fitz to the Pats for 17 and 28. 5 to the Queens for 12, 43, and 139

12. Houston (OLB-Georgia)
17. Carimi (RT-Wisconsin)
28. Castonzo (LT-Boston College)
38. Titus Young (WR-Boise State)
43. Traded to the Packers for Nick Barnett (MLB) and Jarius Wynn (DE)
70. John Moffit (Center-Wisconsin)
102. Demarcus Van Dyke (CB-Miami)
134. Greg Little (WR-UNC)
139. Lance Kendricks (TE-Wisconsin)
171. Greg McElroy(QB-Alabama)
203. Richard Sherman (CB-Stanford)
235. David Arkin (Guard-Miss. St.

I think Houston will be the best pass rusher in the draft.

Carimi and Castonzo will be the tackles on this team for a long time.

Titus Young and Greg Little both have playmaker written all over them. If we keep Breaston I think the WRs on the team could be dynamic.

Nick Barnett gives the Cards the aggresive MLB they need. Packers trade him to move his salary because they don't want to pay Bishop, Hawk and Barnett. Barnett's a proven good ball player, and a natural leader, which the team needs on Defense.

Moffit's a good, smart, Center from day 1.

Hopefully of Van Dyke and Sherman, one of them pans out. If both do well then I think I deserve a raise.

Kendricks is a good reliable TE. Jack of all trades Master of none type of guy. A young QB's best friend.

McElroy doesn't have the arm strength to be a great starter in this league, but he's accurate enough and smart enough to be okay from day 1. If the coaching staff works with him, maybe he can turn into something, though right now he's a game manager at best.

I picked Akin because you can never have enough fat guys.

Queens do the trade because it allows them to leapfrog Washington, giving them 1st dibs on QBs.

I'd like another DE somewhere to play opposite Docket but beggars can't be choosers, and Wynn has shown some ability.

Flame on

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

A+ for creativity and planning, Gary. You too, Czar. It would be the most intriguing draft to watch if we were to garner all those picks and such fine prospects.

Gary, if you add the two tackles, do you have Levi Brown and Brandon Keith enter the competition at the guard spots?

As much as I would love to see the Cardinals get a better pass protector at LT (and am very curious about how Levi Brown would play at guard---where I believe he could dominate), one gets the clear sense that Whiz and his staff feel fine about Brown and Keith as the tackles---and they expect marked improvement this year.

In every aspect of his Career LB = LD; including Jersey Number. They are playing him at LT for the simple fact that he is basically getting paid as one. Move him to guard and be done with it IMHO.

 

[Snakester]

A+ for creativity and planning, Gary. You too, Czar. It would be the most intriguing draft to watch if we were to garner all those picks and such fine prospects.

Gary, if you add the two tackles, do you have Levi Brown and Brandon Keith enter the competition at the guard spots?

As much as I would love to see the Cardinals get a better pass protector at LT (and am very curious about how Levi Brown would play at guard---where I believe he could dominate), one gets the clear sense that Whiz and his staff feel fine about Brown and Keith as the tackles---and they expect marked improvement this year.

I would put Levi Brown at left guard and Brandon Keith as a backup. my line left to right would be- Castonzo, Brown, Moffit, Lutui, Carimi with Keith, Hadnot, Sendlein and Bridges as the backups.

I would hope after watching Brown at LT and Keith at RT that the whole coaching staff would not feel fine about starting them again at those positions. I think Brown would make a great guard and a decent RT. I don't like Keith starting period. I don't even know if I would want him as a backup.

 

[ARodg]

I would put Levi Brown at left guard and Brandon Keith as a backup. my line left to right would be- Castonzo, Brown, Moffit, Lutui, Carimi with Keith, Hadnot, Sendlein and Bridges as the backups.

I would hope after watching Brown at LT and Keith at RT that the whole coaching staff would not feel fine about starting them again at those positions. I think Brown would make a great guard and a decent RT. I don't like Keith starting period. I don't even know if I would want him as a backup.

That's my plan exactly but I would swap Keith with Akin

 

[Snakester]

Thats great and all, but then we have No QB AND no WR...fantastic...

I drafted a home run threat in Titus Young and the best hands receiver at the SB in Vincent Brown. These two are to be the replacements for Fitz. The more that I read around the web about Whiz not taking a starting QB in the draft and finding one in free agency or in a trade I figured that's probably the way he is going to go. One more five win season and Whiz might be out of a job.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would put Levi Brown at left guard and Brandon Keith as a backup. my line left to right would be- Castonzo, Brown, Moffit, Lutui, Carimi with Keith, Hadnot, Sendlein and Bridges as the backups.

I would hope after watching Brown at LT and Keith at RT that the whole coaching staff would not feel fine about starting them again at those positions. I think Brown would make a great guard and a decent RT. I don't like Keith starting period. I don't even know if I would want him as a backup.

Keith was starting to play very well before he was hurt. At times he was our best run blocking lineman and was starting to not miss assignments.

That was his big issue early on: Missed assignments. He never looked physically overmatched. IMO Keith is not the guy that needs to move to the bench, that should be Levi Brown.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I drafted a home run threat in Titus Young and the best hands receiver at the SB in Vincent Brown. These two are to be the replacements for Fitz. The more that I read around the web about Whiz not taking a starting QB in the draft and finding one in free agency or in a trade I figured that's probably the way he is going to go. One more five win season and Whiz might be out of a job.

My one issue is that you're basically drafting guys because of their Senior Bowl performance.

Titus Young + Vincent Brown + Steve Breaston + Doucet + Roberts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Larry Fitz.

IMO drafting those two to replace Fitz would be a drastic setback. If we lose Fitz, I'd probably try and get AJ Green, even though I believe that Alshon Jeffery from South Carolina who will be in next years draft is significantly better than Green.

 

[Snakester]

My one issue is that you're basically drafting guys because of their Senior Bowl performance.

Titus Young + Vincent Brown + Steve Breaston + Doucet + Roberts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Larry Fitz.

IMO drafting those two to replace Fitz would be a drastic setback. If we lose Fitz, I'd probably try and get AJ Green, even though I believe that Alshon Jeffery from South Carolina who will be in next years draft is significantly better than Green.

Both Young and Brown did well during the season. Watching them closely in the Senior Bowl practices they did very well. Do I think either of them is going to be better than Fitz, no. I do think that both of them will be very good receivers in the NFL though. These are the two receivers that impressed me the most that I thought we could get after the first round.

I would only want to trade Fitz if he would not re-sign with us. So at least we could get something in return for him instead of just letting him walk away and get nothing. I would love to see Fitz play for us another ten years then retire a Cardinal, but if he's not then get something for him.

Also I would love to get AJ Green at five. I just don't see us taking him with so many other needs that are greater than receiver for us.

 

[Snakester]

Keith was starting to play very well before he was hurt. At times he was our best run blocking lineman and was starting to not miss assignments.

That was his big issue early on: Missed assignments. He never looked physically overmatched. IMO Keith is not the guy that needs to move to the bench, that should be Levi Brown.

I did not watch Keith every game, but what I have seen of him I don't like. I don't ever think he will be a good pass protector. He just doesn't seem to have the feet for the position. Maybe he would be a good guard, but there is just no way I want him as a tackle.

I would prefer Levi Brown as a guard, but he at least proved himself to be a good RT for us the year before last. The biggest mistake Russ Grimm made was to switch Levi over to LT when he had finally got his act together at RT.