The Sit Down

[dreamcastrocks]

But that has nothing to do with Matt.

It has to do with replacing Matt.

 

[Shane]

I think the gamble is not benching/releasing Toast. The gamble is going with a historically bad QB as your starter based on a fairly mediocre preseason where all the good and especially bad has been showcased by him, and backing him up by two rookies (one a spitfire UDFA). That's a ballsy, and potentially damaging, move.

If DA shows us he is who we thought he was, it doesn't matter if Toast was superbly hated, the media will be ALL over the Cardinals for not getting a better QB, for taking a risk with a known poor QB, etc. Since when have you ever known the media to bypass taking easy shots at the Cards?

Completely agree. But none of that has anything to do with Matt. The media doesn't like him any more than they like the cardinal organization.

 

[Evil Ash]

Clear as mud.

I can see this easily going either way at this point

 

[Shane]

It has to do with replacing Matt.

How so? Because the general media contention is that Matt sucks too. The same backlash would be had if stuck with Matt and he sucks and we still lose. Won't have anything to do with the change. Of course you will have you very few snake reporters who will flop and take the "what if" angle. But that's to be expected.

 

[D-Dogg]

Completely agree. But none of that has anything to do with Matt. The media doesn't like him any more than they like the cardinal organization.

Who said it was all about Toast? It's the decision, (which Toast happens to be a part of). If DA sucks as we think he might, and we have rookies backing him up, the media will beat the drum of "risky move, should have kept Toast...didn't you watch the DA tape" etc.

Toast happens to be part of the decision, which if fails will be massively panned. Hell, the media could turn around and say "ooh, Toast really wasn't so bad, he got a bad deal, blah blah." Another thing about the media, they aren't very consistent in their opinions as they shift with the blowing winds.

 

[Duckjake]

No he isn't. Have you heard the media and their bias against Matt long before this switch was made? Media don't give two craps about Matt. It's his cult following amongst fans that's amazing.

That cult following has made the Cards and the NFL a lot of money over the last 4 years. You've seen all the #7 jerseys at the games even long after Warner had taken over. And the scenery, wow, did that ever improve once the Cards drafted Leinart.

The Bidwills have to consider that. The NFL is a business and money and how to make as much of it as possible is always a very important factor.

Now the Cards have been to the Super Bowl. They have tens of thousands of new "fans" and a new superstar in Fitz. So maybe Leinart isn't as valuable a commodity as he was in the past. Leinart + Marketing appeal > Anderson or whoever.
Leinart w/o Marketing appeal < Anderson or whoever.

Remember this is a franchise that gave Larry Centers and Jake Plummer big contracts and signed Emmit Simth just to keep the fans happy and sell tickets.

Don't know for sure but it looked good while I was typing it so that's my theory for now.

 

[football karma]

Cleveland's punter and special teams sure had a hell of a great day!

I guarandamntee we will see such days from Anderson. He will personally deliver a couple of losses by hisself.

In fairness: even Kurt Warner personally delivered the Cardinals a couple of losses each year.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

No he isn't. Have you heard the media and their bias against Matt long before this switch was made? Media don't give two craps about Matt. It's his cult following amongst fans that's amazing.

The media builds you up to knock you down.

Whiz the Almighty will get trashed if the Anderson engineering experiment fails miserably. It will be left then to the "In Whiz we trust" cultists to defend him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How so? Because the general media contention is that Matt sucks too. The same backlash would be had if stuck with Matt and he sucks and we still lose. Won't have anything to do with the change. Of course you will have you very few snake reporters who will flop and take the "what if" angle. But that's to be expected.

No way. Matt 'earned the right to start' as so put by Whisenhunt. If Matt starts and fails as a QB, then the media will just say what they have been saying for a little while now. (Matt sucks, didn't have it, etc.)

If you start Anderson by either benching or cutting Matt, there will be a ton of second guessing going on by not only the media, but by fans and quite possibly players as well.

It's like starting an argument with your wife to prove a point; no matter what happens, if you keep your mouth shut, if don't have your wife angry at you for choosing the wrong words to prove your point.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes he is. If the Cards aren't successful at QB this season, HE will be blamed for it, not the QB.

If this season goes south (with or without Leinart) I think the national media is going to question CKW for his QB decision (to keep or to cut) but they're going to give him a pass because he's earned it in their eyes and because nationally neither of our vets is highly regarded. For the most part, very little is expected of the Cards this season and that will help soften the blow. Sure, there will be some "I told you so" Cards fans that will want his head but they seem to be there already.

Steve

 

[THESMEL]

I was happy with Whiz's explanation on the Cards board yesterday. I trust trhat he has affection for Matt or He wouldn't have said it. even before that He said it was the RB, oline rookie WR not playing well.

Matt is our best QB and I still have him graded as high as Kurt Warner, after Kurt declined in 09. I think Matt's validated that, I know Kurt does some skills beter than anyone, but his wheels have been spent, He presses after turnovers and gets the in bunches.

With Matt we don't need a hero every down, He don't get flustered. He remains cool under pressure most of the time, and He has had major pressure this preseason, with no turnovers, not even close to any turnovers.

Matt has no glaring Weaknesses as an NFL QB, I've seen 50+ yard bombs in the air with elite touch, Matty can spin the ball even if He can't hunt with it like DA. great decisions, accurate rolling right or left or in the pocket, great wheels for 6'5" 235,

My only complaint is the run game not being auto pilot after 3 preseason games and thats on coach, throwing like his hair is on fire in practice and games. this team needs to tighten up fundementals, they got better against the Bears but blocking and tackling need to improve.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If this season goes south (with or without Leinart) I think the national media is going to question CKW for his QB decision (to keep or to cut) but they're going to give him a pass because he's earned it in their eyes and because nationally neither of our vets is highly regarded. For the most part, very little is expected of the Cards this season and that will help soften the blow. Sure, there will be some "I told you so" Cards fans that will want his head but they seem to be there already.

Steve

The media is still very reluctant to give anyone in the Cards organization a free pass. 2 years of success isn't close to comparing with a century of failures.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Calling that game by Anderson "mediocre" is insulting to mediocre.

+2

 

[DeAnna]

I think Matt is smart enough to realize he's being stabbed in the back by some of his teammates.

Hopefully Anderson won't throw a hospital pass and get a received hurt.

 

[seesred]

Oh can we, can we, start a new Lienart thread?

GBR
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[dreamcastrocks]

Oh can we, can we, start a new Lienart thread?

GBR
40

There was a trade yesterday that helped create a different thread.....

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The thing that bugs me most is, theoretically, Leinart is going to improve as the season goes on, he settles in, and gets more comfortable. With Anderson, he's already shown what to expect over the course of a season and half as a starter and that's not all that good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The thing that bugs me most is, theoretically, Leinart is going to improve as the season goes on, he settles in, and gets more comfortable. With Anderson, he's already shown what to expect over the course of a season and half as a starter and that's not all that good.

I think the thing that bugs me the most is that Whisenhunt said that he wanted to make the change to 'get first downs.' He is seemingly placing most of the blame for the stalled drives on Leinart without looking at the offensive line or RB's lack of production. For someone who has an engineering degree and thinks over every decision, it just doesn't sit right with me. When for the most part Leinart has played good.

 

[Pariah]

If the Cards aren't going to go with Leinart, I'd rather they go with Hall (or even Skelton) before they go with Anderson.

JMHO

 

[Shane]

No way. Matt 'earned the right to start' as so put by Whisenhunt. If Matt starts and fails as a QB, then the media will just say what they have been saying for a little while now. (Matt sucks, didn't have it, etc.)

If you start Anderson by either benching or cutting Matt, there will be a ton of second guessing going on by not only the media, but by fans and quite possibly players as well.

It's like starting an argument with your wife to prove a point; no matter what happens, if you keep your mouth shut, if don't have your wife angry at you for choosing the wrong words to prove your point.

Then he turned around and promptly lost that right to start. Things aren't static in the NFL last I checked. Things change. Players regress. Once again I think you assume this is personal. Where as I think Whiz sees it as his best opportunity to win. Nothing more or less. Matt has shown to not be capable of running his offense.

The only thing that is about Matt IMO is his inability to hang on to the job.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Its clear Anderson has nude photos of Whiz's wife that Ken doesnt want released to the media.

 

[Mulli]

Then he turned around and promptly lost that right to start. Things aren't static in the NFL last I checked. Things change. Players regress. Once again I think you assume this is personal. Where as I think Whiz sees it as his best opportunity to win. Nothing more or less. Matt has shown to not be capable of running his offense.

The only thing that is about Matt IMO is his inability to hang on to the job.

This.

 

[THESMEL]

WOW

you mean like 10-10 and a perfect QB rating under pressure in the 2 minute and undercenter?

Matt has to develope further on the field. He is the most prepared sophmore starting QB in the history of Earth,

depth on 1 NCAA championship game, 2 wins and a Heisman, 1 last minute loss from 3time NCAA Championship QB, He was already rare air NCAA royalty!

11 starts as a rookie NFL 2500+ yards, several records.

backed up all World KW to a SB,2 playoffs. Matt is capable of a perfect QB rating any given Sunday. He has several hot streaks as an AZ cardinal and his lows have never been close to KW's or josh, Plummer, Blake, ect.

The thing that bugs me most is, theoretically, Leinart is going to improve as the season goes on, he settles in, and gets more comfortable. With Anderson, he's already shown what to expect over the course of a season and half as a starter and that's not all that good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Then he turned around and promptly lost that right to start. Things aren't static in the NFL last I checked. Things change. Players regress. Once again I think you assume this is personal. Where as I think Whiz sees it as his best opportunity to win. Nothing more or less. Matt has shown to not be capable of running his offense.

The only thing that is about Matt IMO is his inability to hang on to the job.

I am absolutely convinced that it is personal to some degree. I have no doubt that Whisenhunt wants to win. He has proved to use that he is a winner. However, just because you are a winner doesn't mean that you make all of your decisions based on logic and facts. No one in this world does.

 

[jefftheshark]

I read on PFT that President Obama, in his address to the American people tonight, is going to announce that he's inviting Leinart and Whiz to sit down with him in the Rose Garden next weekend and share a beer or two while working out their differences.

It appears that our long national nightmare might be over.

JTS