NBA Finals: LAKERS vs CELTICS (non-bias version 1.0)

[jibikao]

Similar to how Channing Frye had 10+ rebounds in Game 5 and 6 right? You people are ridiculous. The so called bigs is one player. Bynum was a non-factor and Gasol pretty much was the only one in the paint. Amare couldn't get rebounds over a guy who is slower than him in Gasol and a guy with a torn meniscus in Bynum? Sure there people... Oh yea and the lucky Odom... Too bad Amare couldn't stop the lucky Odom from raping him with rebounds.

I agree. The real "bigs" in Lakers during our series are Gasol and Lamar and I think Lamar got more rebounds than Gasol. Bynum was a near non-factor in most of the games against us.

KG is past his prime so it's kinda unfair to compare him to Amare. Amare is going to get a super contract soon....

 

[AzStevenCal]

Frye should be averaging more rebounds than Amare.

I'll bite. Why should Frye be averaging more rebounds than Amare? I don't think he does and I certainly don't think he should but I'm curious as to your reasoning.

Steve

 

[jibikao]

You can say i let him off the hook, but that is your take. 3-4 rebound is pathetic but the bashing of Amare on this thread, while the same people use KG as a poster-boy for all things defense, is just plain stupid.
Now Garnet is old!! y'all werent saying that when you were all using him as a benchmark for Amare's performance. Make no mistake. i think it is bad for Amare to average what 6 rebounds in the playoofs but the way he was crucified against LA was just plain stupid.



Exactly what i meant about your distorted view. Frye should be averaging more rebounds than Amare. My post was not to avail Amare of his poor rebounding, but call out incessant Amare bashers like you. see your post in another thread below.

Well, I think some people bash Amare so hard because Amare is looking for a super max. contract and while 6-rebound isn't terrible, it is not max. contract kind of performance especially when his offense isn't going well. And in the last two critical games, Amare's rebounding effort wasn't superb. Again, it is all by comparison. Amare wants a max. contract and he's gotta play like one. He knows that if Suns don't give what he wants, other teams will. He is daring Suns IMO. Sometimes I wonder if Amare only plays 75% just to prove a point that he is worth that max. contract. It is very annoying. With trade rumor going on during regular season, he played so bad but as soon as the trade rumor was gone, he became a super all-star. Why the difference?? Why can't he just play consistently good?

That's what frustrates fans the most about Amare. Consistency. When he puts his mind to it, he plays so well but when he gets distracted, he plays ok and ok is not good enough for a max. contract.

Mind you, I think Amare will end up being on this team next year.

 

[BC867]

As much as I despise the Lakers I'm hoping they win. Heck. Even sweep. If the Suns are going to lose to a team, I'd prefer it to be the eventual NBA champions.

That's my feeling, too.

Also, the Suns are in the Western conference. If they can't advance, then my loyalty remains with the Western conference winner.

Of course they're a rival. But a conference rival. And our conference is down to one team now.

Not to mention that the Lakers are a much more exciting team to watch than the Celtics.

 

[jibikao]

Between Lakers and Celtics, I rather root for Lakers and hope Lakers can sweep them. That makes us 4-2 look better.

In honesty, I hate both teams but Celtics losing to Lakers badly makes Suns look somewhat better. lol

 

[jagu]

I bash Amare because he is an egotistical prick who thinks he is better than people when he clearly isn't. I defend Suns players but to call out Odom and say he is "lucky" then consequently getting molested by him on the boards is utterly embarrassing and pathetic. If you call someone out, make sure you have the balls to shut him down the rest of the way. Odom owned him the rest of the way and surely proved he was not the lucky one. I can say I'm damn proud of Odom for being classy and schooling him because trash talkers deserve it.

Amare can dunk on Anthony Tolliver and the others, when it comes to manning up and getting more than 4 f****** rebounds in Game 5 and 6 he disappears. No amount of boxing out and "big" defense prevents a 6 foot 10 player with speed and hops from getting more than 4 rebounds in a game unless your either scared to battle or you just don't give. So for the people who are going to keep yapping about the bigs shutting down Amare's rebounding, save it.

 

[AfroSuns]

I'll bite. Why should Frye be averaging more rebounds than Amare? I don't think he does and I certainly don't think he should but I'm curious as to your reasoning.

Steve

Maybe something called wingspan? playing center where who he is guiding is closer to the rim as opposed to Amare covering Odom most times. and f**k all the BS about smaller player who are averaging a lot of rebounds,i.e Marion. What did Marion avg in the post-season; just above 4rebounds, yes 4 rebounds.

 

[jagu]

Maybe something called wingspan? playing center where who he is guiding is closer to the rim as opposed to Amare covering Odom most times. and f**k all the BS about smaller player who are averaging a lot of rebounds,i.e Marion. What did Marion avg in the post-season; just above 4rebounds, yes 4 rebounds.

Wow I never thought the Amare defenders would finally reach down into the depths to pull out "wingspan." You definitely are chugging the koolaid if you think Channing Frye, I repeat Channing Frye, one more time there Channing Frye should get more rebounds than Amare because he has more "wingspan."

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe something called wingspan? playing center where who he is guiding is closer to the rim as opposed to Amare covering Odom most times. and f**k all the BS about smaller player who are averaging a lot of rebounds,i.e Marion. What did Marion avg in the post-season; just above 4rebounds, yes 4 rebounds.

Well, you're completely ignoring the fact that Amare averages more minutes than Frye. You're also ignoring the fact that Frye spends half the game much further from the basket than Amare. You're also ignoring the fact that if he's playing center he is more likely to be at a height disadvantage than Amare is at the PF spot. You're also ignoring the fact that Frye is a castoff player signed for chump change and Amare is a "superstar" who is supposedly demanding the max.

I think the anti-Amare rhetoric gets a little absurd at times too. As a matter of fact, it rivals the ridiculous pro-Amare rhetoric around here. He is what he is. An incomplete player that can dominate the offensive end of the game when he wants to and is an above average player when he settles for less. That still makes him as good a player as there is once you get past the top 5 or 6 guys. That's not to say he's the 7th best, rather he's one of about a dozen players that can make that claim.

Steve

 

[jandaman]

Maybe something called wingspan? playing center where who he is guiding is closer to the rim as opposed to Amare covering Odom most times. and f**k all the BS about smaller player who are averaging a lot of rebounds,i.e Marion. What did Marion avg in the post-season; just above 4rebounds, yes 4 rebounds.

WTH are you on about?

Marion as a Maverick? or Career playoff rebounding wise?

Because as a Maverick, he was put on the perimeter to guard that spot. Dirk, Dampier, Butler, Haywood all averaged 5+ rebounds also....


As a Sun he averaged 10+

 

[AfroSuns]

Well, you're completely ignoring the fact that Amare averages more minutes than Frye. You're also ignoring the fact that Frye spends half the game much further from the basket than Amare. You're also ignoring the fact that if he's playing center he is more likely to be at a height disadvantage than Amare is at the PF spot. You're also ignoring the fact that Frye is a castoff player signed for chump change and Amare is a "superstar" who is supposedly demanding the max.

I think the anti-Amare rhetoric gets a little absurd at times too. As a matter of fact, it rivals the ridiculous pro-Amare rhetoric around here. He is what he is. An incomplete player that can dominate the offensive end of the game when he wants to and is an above average player when he settles for less. That still makes him as good a player as there is once you get past the top 5 or 6 guys. That's not to say he's the 7th best, rather he's one of about a dozen players that can make that claim.

Steve

I remember Gentry coming on myfox (Phoenix) to discus Amare's positioning on the court to show why he doesn't justify "all" the blame and i dont agree that Amare play closer to the basket than Frye most of the game, but it is irrelevant because i agree to your last paragraph about who Amare is. I am not adjudicating a max for Amare, on the contrary, i dont think he should get the max. One thing is for certain though, if the Suns don't give him, another team will unless he is picky or wants to stay with the Suns.
My problem is with some that are always pointing finger in a team game and blaming one player for a loss, it doesn't always go down like that and at the same time barely give props when he performs. Posters like Jagu are always perching like vultures waiting to pounce for Amare to make the simplest mistake. So they can tell us how much of a loser he has been all season.

 

[AfroSuns]

WTH are you on about?

Marion as a Maverick? or Career playoff rebounding wise?

Because as a Maverick, he was put on the perimeter to guard that spot. Dirk, Dampier, Butler, Haywood all averaged 5+ rebounds also....


As a Sun he averaged 10+

As a Maverick, obviously.

 

[AfroSuns]

I just think this is just a funny picture. You either admire or hate him for his passion for the game

 

[jagu]

Posters like Jagu are always perching like vultures waiting to pounce for Amare to make the simplest mistake. So they can tell us how much of a loser he has been all season.

I give him props for showing up in the games after the trade deadline. He was good. I don't want a max contract to be given to Amare because he isn't worth it and we will be screwed for many years with that deal. I'm not vulturing on Amare, he just isn't worth all that money and I hope the Suns don't make the mistake of having a max Amare because he won't play any D whatsoever and get no rebounds, the guy will give up easy point after easy point in the playoffs.

 

[Mulli]

I just think this is just a funny picture. You either admire or hate him for his passion for the game

Only talking smack like that when up by 15-20 points. No admiration.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I just think this is just a funny picture. You either admire or hate him for his passion for the game

KG's "passion" is largely a smokescreen to mask his general douchiness.

I can't stand the guy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Only talking smack like that when up by 15-20 points. No admiration.

Agreed. No admiration, just disgust.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe something called wingspan? playing center where who he is guiding is closer to the rim as opposed to Amare covering Odom most times. and f**k all the BS about smaller player who are averaging a lot of rebounds,i.e Marion. What did Marion avg in the post-season; just above 4rebounds, yes 4 rebounds.

you're comparisons become more and more laughable by the post. Now you're comparing Amare, a 6'10 athletic freak at 27 years old in his prime who plays 36 mpg to a 32 year old washed up 6'7 SF former athletic freak who plays 24 mpg.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KG's "passion" is largely a smokescreen to mask his general douchiness.

I can't stand the guy.

agreed. The dude's nuts shrivel faster than Marion's in the playoffs. Only reason he won a title was because Pierce and Allen carried that team in the Finals. He played well in Games 1 and 6... classic front-runner, nowhere to be found in LA.

 

[AfroSuns]

you're comparisons become more and more laughable by the post. Now you're comparing Amare, a 6'10 athletic freak at 27 years old in his prime who plays 36 mpg to a 32 year old washed up 6'7 SF former athletic freak who plays 24 mpg.

The comparison was between Channing and Amare, not Marion. I referred to him only to make a point, but you can draw your ridiculous conclusion as always without reading, typical. Mind you the freakish athleticism in Amare is at least halved, if not by age definitely by surgery

 

[D-Dogg]

Only talking smack like that when up by 15-20 points. No admiration.

He's a fake thug and Father Time blocked the hell out of him last night on his missed laydunk.

 

[jagu]

The comparison was between Channing and Amare, not Marion. I referred to him only to make a point, but you can draw your ridiculous conclusion as always without reading, typical. Mind you the freakish athleticism in Amare is at least halved, if not by age definitely by surgery

Ya since a comparison between Channing Frye and Amare is more proper right?

 

[Covert Rain]

agreed. The dude's nuts shrivel faster than Marion's in the playoffs. Only reason he won a title was because Pierce and Allen carried that team in the Finals. He played well in Games 1 and 6... classic front-runner, nowhere to be found in LA.

He anchors that team defensively.

 

[tobiazz]

He's a fake thug and Father Time blocked the hell out of him last night on his missed laydunk.

Which play was that? The only Father Time block I remember was Rasheed Wallace's geometry defying stuff of Pau Gasol's hook shot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The comparison was between Channing and Amare, not Marion. I referred to him only to make a point, but you can draw your ridiculous conclusion as always without reading, typical.

and your point was ridiculous. I mean, if you weren't using him as a basis for comparison, WHAT point were you trying to make bringing him up?

Mind you the freakish athleticism in Amare is at least halved, if not by age definitely by surgery

encore performance! Amare's freakish athleticism is HALVED by surgery? Good lord.