A Reason to be Patient with Bill Davis

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I was looking up coaching trees recently and found that Bill Davis has had some pretty sweet mentors. He spent 7 years under Dom Capers, 3 in Pittsburgh and 4 in Carolina. 3 years w/ Dan Reeves in Atlanta, 1 of which was under Wade Phillips. Then 2 years under Mike Nolan in San Fran.

You have to think that after all these years under these 3-4 gurus, that Bill Davis has to know the 3-4 stone cold. This gives me a bit more hope that he can turn our defense around.
 

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I was looking up coaching trees recently and found that Bill Davis has had some pretty sweet mentors. He spent 7 years under Dom Capers, 3 in Pittsburgh and 4 in Carolina. 3 years w/ Dan Reeves in Atlanta, 1 of which was under Wade Phillips. Then 2 years under Mike Nolan in San Fran.

You have to think that after all these years under these 3-4 gurus, that Bill Davis has to know the 3-4 stone cold. This gives me a bit more hope that he can turn our defense around.

Chopper-----Davis may have just been given the best tool he could have asked for with the hiring of Donnie Henderson as secondary coach. I think that this is the missing link from our coaching staff.

Henderson is out of the Raven's style of defense, tight 'man' coverage with corners that crowd the line of scrimmage, and cover like a blanket.
Our young corners, DRC and Toler, have an abundance of speed and flexabillity, to go along with their talent for knowing such things as the right angles and when to flip their hips and go. A coach like Henderson might be able to turn them into PREMIERE CB's in this league. He has John Lott's expertice to call upon to get these guys conditioned and strengthened up to play that kind of game, and Henderson knows how to teach the intricasies of 'man' coverage. I think that we will see much less of the soft coverages that we have been used to seeing, and will even begin to see our DB's playing the run as well as the pass.

Wouldn't it be nice to see Adrian Wilson used like he was in the past to help in scheme games that totally surprise and upset the opposing offense? Wouldn't it be nice to see Matt Ware actually making tackles. If this is going to happen with these players, this is the guy to make it happen.

Bill Davis was brought in because Whiz hated losing the SB with the lax coverage late in the game when we had the lead. Problem was that Davis didn't have the personnel to do differently, at least with the injuries we suffered this year. Henderson is just the man who can change the mindset of our secondary, and maybe then Davis can do what he does best, run a stingy 3-4 that gives up little, and even then gives it up grudgingly.

Whiz needs to somehow bring this defense up to the standards that our offense has attained. Henderson could be the guy that Davis has needed all along to change our DB style of play.
 
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Catfish; Davis wasn't brougt in, he was already here, LBs coach.
He was promoted from with in
 

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Catfish; Davis wasn't brougt in, he was already here, LBs coach.
He was promoted from with in

You are correct sir, what I meant to say was that he replaced Pendergast for that reason.
 

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Chopper-----Davis may have just been given the best tool he could have asked for with the hiring of Donnie Henderson as secondary coach. I think that this is the missing link from our coaching staff.

Henderson is out of the Raven's style of defense, tight 'man' coverage with corners that crowd the line of scrimmage, and cover like a blanket.
Our young corners, DRC and Toler, have an abundance of speed and flexabillity, to go along with their talent for knowing such things as the right angles and when to flip their hips and go. A coach like Henderson might be able to turn them into PREMIERE CB's in this league. He has John Lott's expertice to call upon to get these guys conditioned and strengthened up to play that kind of game, and Henderson knows how to teach the intricasies of 'man' coverage. I think that we will see much less of the soft coverages that we have been used to seeing, and will even begin to see our DB's playing the run as well as the pass.

Wouldn't it be nice to see Adrian Wilson used like he was in the past to help in scheme games that totally surprise and upset the opposing offense? Wouldn't it be nice to see Matt Ware actually making tackles. If this is going to happen with these players, this is the guy to make it happen.

Bill Davis was brought in because Whiz hated losing the SB with the lax coverage late in the game when we had the lead. Problem was that Davis didn't have the personnel to do differently, at least with the injuries we suffered this year. Henderson is just the man who can change the mindset of our secondary, and maybe then Davis can do what he does best, run a stingy 3-4 that gives up little, and even then gives it up grudgingly.

Whiz needs to somehow bring this defense up to the standards that our offense has attained. Henderson could be the guy that Davis has needed all along to change our DB style of play.

Catfish, are you personally related to Donnie Henderson? His next door neighbor? :D
 

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Catfish, are you personally related to Donnie Henderson? His next door neighbor? :D

Not at all-----just glad that someone has made an attempt to address what was a problem with our defense, especially late in games. I like the fact that they did something to change they way things have been going. Easier to change one coach than a bunch of players.:D
 

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man catfish is gonna feel bad if nothing changes and henderson has no impact. i hope catfish is celebrating, but his henderson-love seems to know no bounds.
 

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man catfish is gonna feel bad if nothing changes and henderson has no impact. i hope catfish is celebrating, but his henderson-love seems to know no bounds.

Hard to play man to man coverage when you have only 1 legit DB who can play it (Tolar may be #2) & be effective. Adams has some skills but gets out physicalled by most WR's & past that we dont have the personel yet to do it on a consistant basis. Throw in a lack of edge rushers (as of 2009) & I find it hard to imagine the secondary looking much differant as we speak.

Patience, yes but this defense won't change tremendously in 1 season.
 

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DRC has shown the ability to cover 'man', and Tolar showed that against the Saints too. I believe we will bring in another quality CB from the draft as well. McFaddens problem was not that he didn't cover, but that he didn't look for the ball. He had tight coverage on his man most of the time, but had his back to the ball. Maybe Henderson helps him with this too. So far as Rush Backers are concerned, we already have Haggans, Cody Brown, Mark Washington, and Stevie Baggs on board, (not a bad bunch at all), and most certainly will bring in another through either FA, or the draft, (maybe 2). I would say that Henderson has people enough to work with.
 

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So far as Rush Backers are concerned, we already have Haggans, Cody Brown, Mark Washington, and Stevie Baggs on board, (not a bad bunch at all)

dude, that bunch of up there is probably the worst in the NFL. Three of those guys haven't even played a down in the league and the other is 92 years old.
 

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dude, that bunch of up there is probably the worst in the NFL. Three of those guys haven't even played a down in the league and the other is 92 years old.

yep!!! What's that old saying, "potential will get you beat".
 

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So far as Rush Backers are concerned, we already have Haggans, Cody Brown, Mark Washington, and Stevie Baggs on board, (not a bad bunch at all), and most certainly will bring in another through either FA, or the draft, (maybe 2). I would say that Henderson has people enough to work with.

Didn't many on this board think we had enough OLB'ers the last few seasons? Again, they have potential but not adding another guy in the 1st 2 rounds would be making a major mistake in my book. In the 3-4 you can never have enough pass rushers & we diffantly don't have a "differance maker" yet.
 

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I still think we may be 2 off seasons out from really having added the personnel needed to really solidify our defense.

I may be old fashioned, but I'm a firm believer in that in order to build a stout defense from a 3-4 base, you need to build it from the inside out. Starting with the NT and finding good solid ILB's.

Here's an article with tidbits Joe Collier...former defensive coordinator for the Denver Bronco's and the one that directed their Orange Crush defense. It's a really good read.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/23/collier-explains-art-of-3-4-defense/

"And you build it from the inside out," Collier said. "The nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy.
"He has to hold it all together and make it so the guards can't get out on the inside linebackers. Let me put it this way - the nose tackle can make the inside linebackers look pretty good, and if your inside linebackers look pretty good, you're going to play pretty good defense."

Granted, it's mainly speaking about the Denver Bronco's, however it is still an informative read that pertains to most basic 3-4 ideals.

I'm not personally going to fault Davis entirely until the F.O. and the coaching staff have improved a few areas of need on our defense.
 

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If that's the case, Hypothesis, our management team has earned an 'epic fail' for the transition to a 3-4 defense. We've been trying heavily for, what, two years, to transition to a 3-4 defense. In no world in the NFL should it take you four seasons to change defenses adequately. Ugh.
 

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If that's the case, Hypothesis, our management team has earned an 'epic fail' for the transition to a 3-4 defense. We've been trying heavily for, what, two years, to transition to a 3-4 defense. In no world in the NFL should it take you four seasons to change defenses adequately. Ugh.

I say another 2 offseasons simply because of Whiz's penchant for slowly bringing along rookies. We're going to be drafting defense pretty heavily I presume, and it's going to take a while for every one of them to contribute on a consistent basis. We will probably add a couple vets through FA to be stop gaps, but I'm more looking for, in my assumption that it will take 2 offseasons, a group of young defenders that will make up our defensive core for years to come.

Right now there are some pretty hefty needs on defense. Whiz has expressed he is pretty pleased with the situation at OLB, however, we don't have anyone proven outside of Haggans. We have serious need at both ILB positions, assuming Dansby leaves which is pretty much a given. Hayes has back problems. Back problems don't go away most of the time.
We are in bad need of a NT. Watson has been inconsistent, Branch seems better suited for DE, and Robinson is old and not a true NT. If Rolles leaves, creates yet another position of need that is vital. It's going to be real hard to fill all these positions of need in just one offseason unless players on our current roster really step up i.e. Rashad Johnson, Ali Highsmith (doubt it), Reggie Walker, Baggs, Washington, Brown and Davis. The chances of all of them having a monumental improvement in one offseason is pretty slim.

I think management had done a good job of acquiring some talent needed for the 3-4, but their foresight lacked in seeing a situation like we are in now where we may be losing 3 quality guys and having one more banged up in Hayes who may not perform at his usual level.
 

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I say another 2 offseasons simply because of Whiz's penchant for slowly bringing along rookies. We're going to be drafting defense pretty heavily I presume, and it's going to take a while for every one of them to contribute on a consistent basis. We will probably add a couple vets through FA to be stop gaps, but I'm more looking for, in my assumption that it will take 2 offseasons, a group of young defenders that will make up our defensive core for years to come.

Right now there are some pretty hefty needs on defense. Whiz has expressed he is pretty pleased with the situation at OLB, however, we don't have anyone proven outside of Haggans. We have serious need at both ILB positions, assuming Dansby leaves which is pretty much a given. Hayes has back problems. Back problems don't go away most of the time.
We are in bad need of a NT. Watson has been inconsistent, Branch seems better suited for DE, and Robinson is old and not a true NT. If Rolles leaves, creates yet another position of need that is vital. It's going to be real hard to fill all these positions of need in just one offseason unless players on our current roster really step up i.e. Rashad Johnson, Ali Highsmith (doubt it), Reggie Walker, Baggs, Washington, Brown and Davis. The chances of all of them having a monumental improvement in one offseason is pretty slim.

I think management had done a good job of acquiring some talent needed for the 3-4, but their foresight lacked in seeing a situation like we are in now where we may be losing 3 quality guys and having one more banged up in Hayes who may not perform at his usual level.

I remember back to the 2008 season, where everybody was saying, 'Watson finally gets it, now if Branch can just do the same'. Unfortunately, Watson blew his knee-cap out the first day of practice on the treadmill. Nothing but a freak accident. Unfortunately Branch did not pan out at the nose.

From what the F.O. and coaching staff seems prepared to do this off-season, I have to beilieve that Watson is back to full strength, and is going to be our 2-down NT. If worse comes to worse, they can bring Robinson back for one more year to play on passing downs, until they get a draftee rookie ready to play the nose.

My guess is that they will look very hard at Darren Sharper in FA to provide insurance against losing Rolle. They may even try to bring in Larry Foote in the middle to take Dansby's slot to begin the year.

From there, they go to the draft, looking to pick up a quality ILB, NT, FS, CB, then maybe an OT, TE, QB. They might be able to trade Boldin, but if so, I would think that Philly and McNabb would be their 1st choice for obvious reasons. That could create competition at QB that Whiz likes so much, and give us solid back-up for this year. That would also make the contract that Q wants more attractive to Philly as they would be losing McNabbs.

Barring that, I would look for them to try to get additional Pick(s) for him in the draft, which could be used to add another ILB, or OLB, or CB, depending on where they feel the greatest need is. (At least for this year, I believe they will be forced to draft to fill need), as they have let too many holes develop, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

No matter which route they choose, they have to change their defensive philosophy, and be able to play tighter coverage at some point in games. (I figure that is why they hired Donnie Henderson). They will also have to change the manner in which they have been structuring contracts, so that we don't get caught again like we did this off-season with so many critical players moving at one time. At least this off-season, (provided they can get contract creative), there are a lot more FA's available than normal, even though not all are UFA's. It remains to be seen how many holes they can fill out of the lower ranked free agents in this year's offerings.
 
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They might be able to trade Boldin, but if so, I would think that Philly and McNabb would be their 1st choice for obvious reasons. That could create competition at QB that Whiz likes so much, and give us solid back-up for this year. That would also make the contract that Q wants more attractive to Philly as they would be losing McNabbs.

WOW! All my ASFN $'s to you if this happens. McNabb is still a top notch QB. I don't know how to respond without sounding snotty, that's how far off this thought process is IMHO.
 

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WOW! All my ASFN $'s to you if this happens. McNabb is still a top notch QB. I don't know how to respond without sounding snotty, that's how far off this thought process is IMHO.

I guess that trade could happen in Madden or fantasy football
 

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