With Royce and Beal, I think Allen is redundant, and could be a chip to get us some size and athleticism.
Who should we move on from?
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I think it’s between Royce and Martin. Allen is free to leave.
Always! That or he has to leave for an emergency..
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I think Beal is gone for sure, and I would much rather keep Allen over Royce, but I am ok if all 3 go as long as it gets us younger assets.
I think I would go the other way. Allen is more consistent shooting the 3 but Royce is better defensively and defense was our weakest suit. I guess it depends on who else we bring in. If we have a lot of rangy defenders then sure, keep Allen.
toughness - that's what we should keep - that's what the league is getting back to - greyson is plenty tough as is oneale - id keep either or both as they are not the issue - they're not max players eating up the newly defined pie and they're not minimum wage for a reason - we have them both signed for awhile
toughness - the gauchos showed toughness and richards showed toughness - aside from dunn i don't think any of them are starters as is but does that matter? if we're not going anywhere in the immediate future? maybe we should tend the crops for a couple seasons because we got ripped off at the market
cody martin - keep him - one year left let's see what his toughness provides
when kd and beal are gone we'll still have devin booker - devin booker is not tough but he isn't weak - he's not jag but he's not a max player
only true starters i think we're keeping is book and dunn - greyson or (not and) oneale could be a starter but it would have to stay that way - no more musical chairs - bud destroyed us with that bull ish
so book and dunn and i'd say greyson - more consistent from 3 and can penetrate/dish - richards might get the start tho as centers are becoming high commodities again
bench im looking at gillespie - martin - oneale and oso (so far)
toughness - the gauchos showed toughness and richards showed toughness - aside from dunn i don't think any of them are starters as is but does that matter? if we're not going anywhere in the immediate future? maybe we should tend the crops for a couple seasons because we got ripped off at the market
cody martin - keep him - one year left let's see what his toughness provides
when kd and beal are gone we'll still have devin booker - devin booker is not tough but he isn't weak - he's not jag but he's not a max player
only true starters i think we're keeping is book and dunn - greyson or (not and) oneale could be a starter but it would have to stay that way - no more musical chairs - bud destroyed us with that bull ish
so book and dunn and i'd say greyson - more consistent from 3 and can penetrate/dish - richards might get the start tho as centers are becoming high commodities again
bench im looking at gillespie - martin - oneale and oso (so far)
Allen is pretty bad defensively compared to Oneale. Allen used to be a dirt worker until we paid him. O'neale is slightly better rebounder. Very comparable stats, but O'neale is also cheaper.
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O'neal has zero ability to break down the D by driving or creating his own shot. Allen's not great at it, but he is 5 times better at it than O'neal.
Whatever, I'm fine with them both going, I want younger players.
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Royce is better and cheaper than Allen. The offensive gap is slight and the defensive gap is enormous.
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Allen has always been a cupcake who just camps out at the 3 point line and plays "o'lay"! defense. The "hard nosed" rep he had was only because of the cheap shots he used to dish out, but it wasn't toughness, it was tantrums.
At least he put those behind him.
He is good 3pt shooter but one that needs to be left open for him to want to pull the trigger, he doesn't really do much of anything else well.
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O'Neale and Allen are overpaid in years and salary for what they bring to the table.
I'm not attached to either. Both can go if it helps to get the Suns below the second tax apron.
Royce will be 32 in June and Allen 30 in October.
I'm not attached to either. Both can go if it helps to get the Suns below the second tax apron.
Royce will be 32 in June and Allen 30 in October.
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I’m for keeping the proven defender, Oneale in this case.
I was perplexed indeed when they signed GAllen and RO to their contracts. Seeing how Trent and Beasley etc. went for the min in FA, I thought 70-80% of the number wouldve been about right. Trent at min is about the same if not better as Allen the past season. And without RO we might have had a chance at the french PF who went to 76s.
Royce's deal made sense in terms of dollars per year because he wasn't re-signing here at a discount. What didn't make was the deal being fully guaranteed. Team options or non guaranteed money in the last 1-2 years would have made it a better contract for trade bait.
Grayson was overpaid and underperformed this year. No two ways about that. He was rarely healthy and even less impactful.
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I think we all assumed they were inflated for potential trade purposes. That may have even been the strategy but the fact pattern never played out where they could leverage those contracts.
The players with a 50% or more vote are: Morris, Allen, Plum, Jones, KD, Lee, Micic, Beal. Only Allen is still with us.
The players with 50% or less: Dunn, Oso, Richards, Martin, Bol, Book, Oneal. Martin and Bol are gone.
Green
Brooks
Maluach
Goodwin
Gillespie
Fleming
Williams
Aside from losing KD, we got a lot better at all positions. Then Brooks defense and 3pt % can negate some of what we lost with KD, not to mention his intangbles.
The players with 50% or less: Dunn, Oso, Richards, Martin, Bol, Book, Oneal. Martin and Bol are gone.
Green
Brooks
Maluach
Goodwin
Gillespie
Fleming
Williams
Aside from losing KD, we got a lot better at all positions. Then Brooks defense and 3pt % can negate some of what we lost with KD, not to mention his intangbles.
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The player I wish the Suns could have kept was Cody Martin, however, he was a casualty of the salary cap.
I forgot to add Davis. Curious to see what he brings to the table, it would be interesting to see minutes between him and Goodwin. Although they share different skillsets, it would reflect what position is more valuable to our backup unit.
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Jordan Ott may be working all season to find the Suns best rotation.
Rotation might be 10 deep maybe more.
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Perhaps out of necessity. Other than on paper, it's hard to know what the 2025-26 team will look like.
Also, a new coach will factor into the equation.
