BirdGangThing
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The Official Will Johnson Fan Club Thread
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BirdGangThing
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He’s as good as we thought he’d be.
BigDavis75
Making a Comeback
Burke and Crawford have both looked good too, despite the issues for a number of other units the future looks bright for the secondary.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I think Burke has been meh but that is just me.
The future looks bright for the secondary because Monti has invested a ton of resources to it. Imagine if he did that for the offensive line.
BigDavis75
Making a Comeback
He’s looked good for a 5th round rookie forced into action, not sure what you’re looking for there. Also it’s ok to occasionally give Monti credit - DTD, Williams and Will Johnson are clear hits and Burke, Crawford and Melton can play as well. High whiff on Jones but we have the future of the secondary from these drafts.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
A couple things here.
He is getting outsnapped by Clark which does not constitute "good". I agree that he has been playable as a 5th round rookie.
In terms of Monti, here is the thing. If Gannon and his zone heavy scheme gets fired, those hits/fringe can turn into misses real quick. I give Monti credit where he deserves it. His issue is that his misses have exceeded his hits so far in this process. He decided on a path in 2023 to tank in the name of "cleaning up the books". That's great in theory, but like i said then, your margin for error becomes very small in year 3 because year 1 was so bad.
BigDavis75
Making a Comeback
1. Burke had a knee injury before week 5, his snaps fell off a clip after that but don't let that interfere with your narrative.
2. It's hard to find great stats on this but looks like Cards are middle of the pack for how much zone they run. I would also imagine they are running more zone missing players and having such weak coverage safeties in BB and Thompson. Your statement also presumes these draftees can't be effective man players which I'm not sure how you would even prove that out.
3. Idk why you are gravitating back to Monti's overall drafting "His issue is that his misses have exceeded his hits so far in this process" when we are clearly talking about his draft record with secondary players. It can be true that he has drafted secondary players well while also drafting poorly for most other units.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
1 - We can also go off the 97% to 15% discrepancy from the Titans game. Or the season long advantage. Or that after being pretty even in weeks 3 and 4, Clark clearly pulled away. Maybe recognize that facts support my "narrative".
2 - My statement presumes that players are drafted for the scheme of the defense they will play in. Also, maybe there are draft write ups that could help project what schemes fit these players?
Melton
He's adequate from press and has the burst to make up ground when he gets behind early. He's at his best, however, when playing with his eyes forward from zone and searching for clues to jump in and make plays on the football.
Will
He can play man coverage, but he’s at his best when playing with his eyes forward instead of chasing routes downfield.
Burke
Burke fits as a downhill zone corner with special-teams ability.
E Jones
Jones is a slender press-man corner with Cover 3 potential.
3 - I bring up his overall drafting because this was my post that you responded to...
"The future looks bright for the secondary because Monti has invested a ton of resources to it. Imagine if he did that for the offensive line."
So while you may have been focused on the secondary, I was focused on the entire roster. His building of a secondary becomes less important if his roster that is lacking overall gets the coach fired.
BigDavis75
Making a Comeback
I legitimately don't understand how you're not getting this - Burke hurt his knee before the Titans game that is where Clark started to take his snaps (this 97 - 15 discrepancy that you feel makes your argument for whatever reason). Also this season long advantage...it's 4 snaps, weird you didn't touch on the actual number though.
My point is that our defensive scheme runs a league average amount of zone, you were representing it's an outlier. Since you may have cherry picked, I'll grab some references too from the first site that comes up on google:
- Max Melton - Role - "Outside Man/Press CB", "Good size and length, enabling effective press coverage and the ability to contest catches against taller receivers." He's also a good athlete and ran a 4.4, sounds like he'd be fine in man.
- Will Johnson - Role - "Outside Man/Press CB", "Scheme versatile difference-maker who thrived in both press-man and zone looks - projects as day one starter in any defensive system", "Patient technician in man coverage who trusts his technique - rarely bites on double moves and stays square through stem phase of routes"
- DTD - Role - Zone Slot/Nickel Safety "Exhibits exceptional speed and quickness, allowing for effective man coverage and close on plays rapidly."
Let's be real, neither of us are scouts and have seen extensive man snaps from these young players. You don't know that these guys would fail in a heavier man scheme that might have us running only a few additional man coverages a game. What we do know if that teams change defensive coaches and schemes quite often and we should hope they look to have young, talented players try to succeed under those schemes.
Lastly, whatever, you just wanted to take a dig at Monti just don't pretend that saying "I give Monti credit where he deserves it. His issue is that his misses have exceeded his hits so far in this process. He decided on a path in 2023 to tank in the name of "cleaning up the books". That's great in theory, but like i said then, your margin for error becomes very small in year 3 because year 1 was so bad." in response to me saying he's made good picks in the secondary is actually trying to have a dialogue and not repeat your position on Monti.
