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This could be the year us Cardinal fans finally get the last laugh on all those people who continue to talk trash on our beloved Cardinals. When Emmitt juked three would be tacklers, you know Cowboy fans had a dose of reality hit them in the face. Calvin Pace does look like he was worth a 1st round pick so far. Dexter Jackson has seemed to really step up and already be a team leader. Give Blake time and he will start zeroing in on the young WRs, Gilmore showed he still has the speed to make DBs look slow and out of place. Put Davis and Kendall in the line up and the Cards have a excellent chance of finishing at least 500. Guys, the way the sports community talks trash about the Cardinals... 500 would be more than enough to make them swallow and choke on their constant barrage of crap. And yes, in this day and age of free-agency... the Cardinals do stand a good chance of finishing with a winning record. I know this, at this time the Dallas Cowboys are no where close to the Arizona Cardinals and Saturday's game made that evident. Emmitt was surrounded by trash, just look at the game.
 

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I believe we could have the last laugh. We are overlooked, and have good chemistry. I don't see any reason (except injuries) that would keep us away from 9-7 or dare I say it...


...10-6
 

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Too many things working out well sofar this year to NOT have a good year...


Besides all the stuff with our team, Jeff Garcie might not have much of a season, and the Rams play a very hard schedual...


I can seeanywhere from 8-8 to 10-6, if everything works out perfectly.
 

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Last Laugh

Before we get too excited let's see Jeff Blake have a good game. So far he's had one bad (scrimmage) game and one (Cowboys) average game. He has to step up in the next two weeks to justify our enthusiasm. AND he has to stay healthy. But there is hope.
 

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I figure we'll be 10-6 at the end of the season (barring major injuries) and in the playoffs. By the end of the season this team will have "jelled" and be on a roll. What I worry about is if we can repeat next year as SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!!!! You know how hard that is to do!!!! :D :D :D
 

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After we get in this years playoff, my dream is that all these great sports writers stand in the middle of the field and one by one say I'm sorry please forgive me Mr. Bidwill and coaches, please forgive us players we are idiiots just like everyone on the board said at ASFN.

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8-8 would be great, but I like the things I've been reading about the unity that Blake and Smith have brought to this team! Jake Plummer never commanded the respect from this team. I am personally tired of reading about the past. When you see something about the Cardinals on ESPN or in the news, the reporters are usually writing in jest. I am sick and tired of this organization being laughed at. The time is now with the new stadium being built for the Cardinals to do the right thing and make this a model franchise. :thumbup:
 

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Sneaking Up

I think we'll sneak up on a few teams this year....especially the ones that dissrespect us which number quite a few.

Some or many may say the first pre-season game means nothing and that Dallas sucks anyway but I disagree.

If we can maintain a positive attitude like we had in game #1(Mac's good at that)...we should be able to surprise teams that do not take us seriously.
 

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i'll just keep relatively quiet and allow you all your delusions.

go cards.

(i'll be happy to join the national media at midfield if the cards accomplish any of the insanity y'all are posting)
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
i'll just keep relatively quiet and allow you all your delusions.

go cards.

(i'll be happy to join the national media at midfield if the cards accomplish any of the insanity y'all are posting)

Quick, someone get Ouchie some cool-aid, he's parched.
 

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for the record let me say, i'm cautiously optimistic about the season after seeing the defense's performance (with the full understanding that it was against a PUTRID offense still in the throws of preseason).

i think we'll be more competitive, just not winning a lot.
 

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Everone over at another board are picking the Cards to finish last in the NFL...even after Saturdays game...The Nerve!
 

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Rightfully so the cards have been ripped for what has happened..But that doesn't mean I think what they write is true.

Even for sportswriters (as their profession), its hard for them to pay attention to every team, and ours is one that many probably cut corners on YEAR AFTER YEAR. But this season had the dire-est predictions and judgements from the national media as I have EVER seen.

I'm not defending them one bit, but if say the dolphins lost fiedler, r.williams, and c.chambers, gadsen, 3rd wr here, and their starting fs, how good do you think they would be? Not last, but the national writers are aware of their good defense and other factors. What are they aware of from us?

They don't have the info on our favorite team like we do, like we get from this board. I'd say 90% of the posters here have 10x the knowledge about the cards than 90% of sportswriters. That might even be a conservative estimate, so I apoligize for that. Then you throw in a supposed misspent pick on a bad draft day trade, and you are going to get slammed.

Hey I wanted suggs or leftwich, and understood why they traded down, but didn't know if they got quality players from it.

Then they say emmitt is old, jackson is larry brown, and plummer is god.

But there are many reasons why the cards could surprise, and at this point the only ones that notice are us, the cards fans. That's the reality, and I'm sure I'm telling no one anything new on this.

We've seen mcaddley, kasper and such play last season. We saw them get thrown to wolves last year. National media is saying we lost our top 3 receivers THIS YEAR....when in actuality we were way beyond that LAST year. Yeah we had frank for most of it, but he was diminishing and couldn't be the lone go to guy (can't blame him). But with this staff, if our #1 guy goes down, it isn't going to affect how defenses play us. (unlike boston's injury did). And I doubt we will have that many injuries again. So add in that valuable experience last year, drafting wr's in the 1st and 2nd. Trading for a wr....At this point we are stronger at wr than we were last year on the field....not on paper...but ON THE FIELD. So this great dropoff the national media is talking about is so overblown imo its ridiculous. We hit rock bottom last year with our wr's.

We are watching, reading, discussing, and writing stuff about our teams players that no one else will ever know about because they don't care.

The true experts of the cardinals are us the fans in most cases because lets face it, no one in the media outside of the valley really EVER pays attention to the cards.

So on that note, what do I see.

1. I see a great wr battle going on. We won't have a true #1 receiver at this point but I think we will have 3 or 4 quality #2 wr's.
Prediction: Media's love affair with our depleted corps being retched are FAR more wrong than right. I believe that 1 or 2 wr's will really step it up this year.

Who, I don't know. Instead of being a nfl europe wr core as the feeling most of us get when we read national attention on the subject, I believe it will be a position of depth.

2. I see a more active defensive line. I don't know how many more sacks we will get, but pace and king have been very impressive SO far, and with kvb finally having a year's experience, and the 2nd year return from a knee injury thing, plus our new 1 gap defense, we will have an obvious increase from 21 sacks. I say at this point 30-33 sacks this year would be a good improvement, but of course I hope for more, and nothing from the first preseason game showed me that it can't get better.

National media simply says.....passed on suggs yada yada, reached for pace (even though he has 2 sacks already), no free agent pickups on the line, and the fact that our 21 sacks last year was an improvement.

3. Ease of schedule. I believed I read that we have the easiest?
Some national media members say that we should be slightly competitive because of this. I think it opens a door for us to win some more games and be competitive.

4. Speed at lb's...wow...our guy's were penetrating and stuffing rb's last weekend AND MORE (i.e. pass rushing).

I can't remember seeing such stellar linebacking play on this team. (AND IT WAS what, the first preseason game) With the fact that they are quicker, have more room to roam because the dl will already be in the backfield, and the fact we want raynoch to rush like we were going to use colvin our lb's are much improved. I was kind of worried about fredrickson leaving, but I think those fears are unfounded now.

The best part is most of them are young, and are going to improve during the season (and future). I think we have a VERY overlooked lb core by the national media, except I do think i've read some stuff about raynoch.

5. Hey without plummer we took about 25 take aways off the board and only added about 10-15 with blake....that's +10 in our favor.

6. Shipp started to bust out, and to add emmit smith gives us the best rb core we've had since johnny johnson and ron moore...and I think both of our guys now are a whole lot better than either of those guys then.

I sure did love that clip of emitt. For that 1 play we got the emitt of old....and if he can do something similar to that 3 or 4 times a game added with shipp, and our ol, we might have something special.

Hey emmit may be old but never has had a major knee injury... his old age factor should be diminished a little because of that.. But in no way interpret this as a "emmitt of '93" statement.

7. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our deficiencies in offense youth and inexperience will be slightly offset by their speed and our deep throwing qb. If you are going to have young receiver's...at least have 'em fast. If you have that going for you a strong arm qb will fit the best. We got that. Plus that qb should find f.jones more often...or diamond????????

8. *joking* didn't i read somewhere that there was a drive on this board to take stacker 2 with ephedrine and put in the gatorade at san fran, seat, and st. louis. How can we lose the division then when warner, hassleback, garcia, s.alexander, faulk, owens, holt, etc. are all out? *joking*

Obviously you can't take one preseason game and say in stone that our guys will play up to that level this whole year, but unlike the national media which already has predictions on where the cards will finish in 2015, I think our viewpoints are a tad more accurate and realistic even if a tad too optimistic.

Many of the national media thinks we will have the #1 pick next year, and us, the people that really know cards football, can see a losing record is probable, but an 8-8 record or better is not out of the question. Although it might take a whole lot of kool aid smirnoff flavored to picture it.

In my opinion the only reason why I can see that most of us don't say winning record is possible is becasue rightfully so we are all still not counting on a pass rush and good wr play. If those two sections were covered I don't believe many could state we are too thin everywhere else not to compete or make a playoff push at least.

So when pace and king etc are showing us signs of something we haven't seen here in years...a pass rush, and our wr's like kasper keep doing things they shouldn't be doing because of inexperience or lack of ability, its nice to sit here and think cautiously optimistic about our chances to take the league by storm.

The only other thing we lack in depth I believe is backup qb and 3rd cb. If blake goes down we're lost. I don't think our cb's are that bad. I've liked hill since he broke in. I remember thinking we might have a player when we drafted him in the 7th round...in 2000? or 2001?

Basically who cares what the national media writes? I'm not saying I don't care, but we should all know better by now to not take much stock in the national medias reporting on the cards. Because its obvious they don't do their homework...Grain of salt baby, grain of salt.

So here's to our believers ON the cards, because it seems they double in number, and to the subrtraction of last year's malcontents (although not always publically critical) of plummer, lassiter, boston, etc.

Here's to us the fans that brave each season of losing and can still stay focused and unbiased when judging our talent.

Because that in itself might be the #1 factor going for the cards winning fortunes in 2003...to sneak up on everyone. :D

Hopefully other teams players and coaches buy into this #1 pick in 04 business because it can only help our favorite team succeed.
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LONG Post CardsFan88...

Originally posted by CardsFan88
Rightfully.... can only help our favorite team succeed.
:thumbup:

...but well worth the read.

Nice effort and good stuff. My compliments.:thumbup:
 

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Originally posted by CardsFan88
Rightfully so the cards have been ripped for what has happened..But that doesn't mean I think what they write is true.

Even for sportswriters (as their profession), its hard for them to pay attention to every team, and ours is one that many probably cut corners on YEAR AFTER YEAR. But this season had the dire-est predictions and judgements from the national media as I have EVER seen.

I'm not defending them one bit, but if say the dolphins lost fiedler, r.williams, and c.chambers, gadsen, 3rd wr here, and their starting fs, how good do you think they would be? Not last, but the national writers are aware of their good defense and other factors. What are they aware of from us?

They don't have the info on our favorite team like we do, like we get from this board. I'd say 90% of the posters here have 10x the knowledge about the cards than 90% of sportswriters. That might even be a conservative estimate, so I apoligize for that. Then you throw in a supposed misspent pick on a bad draft day trade, and you are going to get slammed.

Hey I wanted suggs or leftwich, and understood why they traded down, but didn't know if they got quality players from it.

Then they say emmitt is old, jackson is larry brown, and plummer is god.

But there are many reasons why the cards could surprise, and at this point the only ones that notice are us, the cards fans. That's the reality, and I'm sure I'm telling no one anything new on this.

We've seen mcaddley, kasper and such play last season. We saw them get thrown to wolves last year. National media is saying we lost our top 3 receivers THIS YEAR....when in actuality we were way beyond that LAST year. Yeah we had frank for most of it, but he was diminishing and couldn't be the lone go to guy (can't blame him). But with this staff, if our #1 guy goes down, it isn't going to affect how defenses play us. (unlike boston's injury did). And I doubt we will have that many injuries again. So add in that valuable experience last year, drafting wr's in the 1st and 2nd. Trading for a wr....At this point we are stronger at wr than we were last year on the field....not on paper...but ON THE FIELD. So this great dropoff the national media is talking about is so overblown imo its ridiculous. We hit rock bottom last year with our wr's.

We are watching, reading, discussing, and writing stuff about our teams players that no one else will ever know about because they don't care.

The true experts of the cardinals are us the fans in most cases because lets face it, no one in the media outside of the valley really EVER pays attention to the cards.

So on that note, what do I see.

1. I see a great wr battle going on. We won't have a true #1 receiver at this point but I think we will have 3 or 4 quality #2 wr's.
Prediction: Media's love affair with our depleted corps being retched are FAR more wrong than right. I believe that 1 or 2 wr's will really step it up this year.

Who, I don't know. Instead of being a nfl europe wr core as the feeling most of us get when we read national attention on the subject, I believe it will be a position of depth.

2. I see a more active defensive line. I don't know how many more sacks we will get, but pace and king have been very impressive SO far, and with kvb finally having a year's experience, and the 2nd year return from a knee injury thing, plus our new 1 gap defense, we will have an obvious increase from 21 sacks. I say at this point 30-33 sacks this year would be a good improvement, but of course I hope for more, and nothing from the first preseason game showed me that it can't get better.

National media simply says.....passed on suggs yada yada, reached for pace (even though he has 2 sacks already), no free agent pickups on the line, and the fact that our 21 sacks last year was an improvement.

3. Ease of schedule. I believed I read that we have the easiest?
Some national media members say that we should be slightly competitive because of this. I think it opens a door for us to win some more games and be competitive.

4. Speed at lb's...wow...our guy's were penetrating and stuffing rb's last weekend AND MORE (i.e. pass rushing).

I can't remember seeing such stellar linebacking play on this team. (AND IT WAS what, the first preseason game) With the fact that they are quicker, have more room to roam because the dl will already be in the backfield, and the fact we want raynoch to rush like we were going to use colvin our lb's are much improved. I was kind of worried about fredrickson leaving, but I think those fears are unfounded now.

The best part is most of them are young, and are going to improve during the season (and future). I think we have a VERY overlooked lb core by the national media, except I do think i've read some stuff about raynoch.

5. Hey without plummer we took about 25 take aways off the board and only added about 10-15 with blake....that's +10 in our favor.

6. Shipp started to bust out, and to add emmit smith gives us the best rb core we've had since johnny johnson and ron moore...and I think both of our guys now are a whole lot better than either of those guys then.

I sure did love that clip of emitt. For that 1 play we got the emitt of old....and if he can do something similar to that 3 or 4 times a game added with shipp, and our ol, we might have something special.

Hey emmit may be old but never has had a major knee injury... his old age factor should be diminished a little because of that.. But in no way interpret this as a "emmitt of '93" statement.

7. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our deficiencies in offense youth and inexperience will be slightly offset by their speed and our deep throwing qb. If you are going to have young receiver's...at least have 'em fast. If you have that going for you a strong arm qb will fit the best. We got that. Plus that qb should find f.jones more often...or diamond????????

8. *joking* didn't i read somewhere that there was a drive on this board to take stacker 2 with ephedrine and put in the gatorade at san fran, seat, and st. louis. How can we lose the division then when warner, hassleback, garcia, s.alexander, faulk, owens, holt, etc. are all out? *joking*

Obviously you can't take one preseason game and say in stone that our guys will play up to that level this whole year, but unlike the national media which already has predictions on where the cards will finish in 2015, I think our viewpoints are a tad more accurate and realistic even if a tad too optimistic.

Many of the national media thinks we will have the #1 pick next year, and us, the people that really know cards football, can see a losing record is probable, but an 8-8 record or better is not out of the question. Although it might take a whole lot of kool aid smirnoff flavored to picture it.

In my opinion the only reason why I can see that most of us don't say winning record is possible is becasue rightfully so we are all still not counting on a pass rush and good wr play. If those two sections were covered I don't believe many could state we are too thin everywhere else not to compete or make a playoff push at least.

So when pace and king etc are showing us signs of something we haven't seen here in years...a pass rush, and our wr's like kasper keep doing things they shouldn't be doing because of inexperience or lack of ability, its nice to sit here and think cautiously optimistic about our chances to take the league by storm.

The only other thing we lack in depth I believe is backup qb and 3rd cb. If blake goes down we're lost. I don't think our cb's are that bad. I've liked hill since he broke in. I remember thinking we might have a player when we drafted him in the 7th round...in 2000? or 2001?

Basically who cares what the national media writes? I'm not saying I don't care, but we should all know better by now to not take much stock in the national medias reporting on the cards. Because its obvious they don't do their homework...Grain of salt baby, grain of salt.

So here's to our believers ON the cards, because it seems they double in number, and to the subrtraction of last year's malcontents (although not always publically critical) of plummer, lassiter, boston, etc.

Here's to us the fans that brave each season of losing and can still stay focused and unbiased when judging our talent.

Because that in itself might be the #1 factor going for the cards winning fortunes in 2003...to sneak up on everyone. :D

Hopefully other teams players and coaches buy into this #1 pick in 04 business because it can only help our favorite team succeed.
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Post of the year.....so far.

To me the 3 most important factors should be the DL....the WR's....and the OL.

The only thing with the OL is health....depth is better so barring catastrophic injuries we should be OK.
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As far as the DL goes your "more active" description is what I saw on ESPN....albeit you're talkin about pre-season and the Boyz....but still Bryant-Pace-Bell-King all looked like madmen.....KVB wasn't shown but we know he fits that mold as well. As I was watching Cards yearbook this morning at 7AM!!! i was struck by a quick shot of Bell talking on the sidelines before the game....this kid seems to have some fire in his belly (that's a big fire!!!) and if he stays healthy he's big enough to stuff some people.

Finally the WR's are a worry that many of us have.....don't count me in the group. I don't think we'll see as man dropped balls this year....Boldin and Kasper have fine hands.....BJ is suspect but watching the Big10 like I have I'd say he may be our best receiver.....everyone saw how he got open agianst the Boyz....he has it all when it comes to size and speed....Boldin will be our Frank Sanders only faster....forget all that slow forty talk...the kids a playa.

Have a nice week-end.
 

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Hey thanks guys, I'm honored.

This next game has some good matchups for us to look at if san diego plays tomlinson and boston.

I really want to see if our aggressive dl and lbs hold their own against such behemoths as boston, lorenzo neal, and tomlinson. Will they be able to reach tomlinson around the corner..Will Lorenzo neal abuse some of our smaller lb's...If he can't that bodes very well for us. Can our lb's again be making plays in the backfield?

But I don't know how much or if Boston or tomlinson will play. If they do, it will be a good early test for our defense.

I want to see fisher lay the smack down on alexander over the middle, and raynoch hit brees in the pocket harder than luis sharpe would hit a crack pipe an hour after he got out of jail.

(note: not trying to bag on luis really...he was once a stud...just saying it for visualization effect purposes on how HARD I want raynoch to level brees.)

I'm not too familiar with san diego's ol, but it would be nice to get another 4 or 5 sacks out of the unit.

I would love to see king,pace,kasper,eason,fisher, etc keep the ball rolling.
 

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Very good post, Cardsfan88.

I have to tell you guys that from what I've seen and heard from the players, I really think our defense could stun a lot of folks.

1) we've changed the scheme - and while the coaches downplay it, the players are relieved, even excited. It's easier and open to less mistakes.

2) Make no mistake - Dexter Jackson has had a huge impact. He's VERY wired - goes for every play with all he's got - rather it's a superbowl stop on 4th and goal -- or week one in mini camp. His attitude is straight from the Bucs - and is catching on like fire. (When was the last time you heard of a fight in Cardinal training camp? With KVB and Big?, no less?)

3) The rest of the secondary is not the slouch the rest of the league is assuming, either. Adrian Wilson wants a ProBowl, and I think he'll do much better with the new DB coach, Ron Milus.

4) Pace is determined to prove he should have been taken in the top 5, not the second round. I think his goal is no less than rookis of the year. And from what I've seen, I think Wendall Bryant and KVB intend to compete right along with him in the sacks.

Will they be the top defense in the league? Doubtful. But I think they'll startle a few folks.
 
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