The Clayton effect on Fitz's contract and Johnson

[AZCB34]

Would it help calm people down if everyone realized that ONLY 10 players selected in the 1st THREE rounds have signed as of RIGHT NOW.

I am just saying that Clayton's contract WILL have an effect on Fitz's deal (along with everyone taken ahead of him and some behind him). Does that mean it cannot get done on time? No, but it is something that plays into Fitz's hands at the table.

If a stress fracture is no big deal and he has been hobbled now 4 weeks and Jurecki was stating they are hoping he will get back in time for the MIN game, I would say this is a tad bit serious and may effect him all year of knock him out altogether. Considering he was being counted on as a intregal part of the 3 WR package, no matter how you slice it this hurts. Oh and by the way, this also plays into Fitz' hands at the table since now there is intense urgency to get him in faster.

The signings WILL come fast and furious here in the next few days...maybe even for the Cards as well...but things are not all roses and there are some serious issues here. Trying to read the tea leaves a bit with Skkorps comments, I wonder if there isn't even more lying under the surface waiting to poke it's head above ground. I mean, we may have a 2nd rounder holding out given the pick slot and the agent at the table.

 

[maddogkf]

Skanki, listen, forget Clayton for a moment. There are other problems. This could all clear up but right now, I don't like what I hear in the pipeline.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No. I give you what I can when I can. The source won't let me say more and it could be completely wrong, but most people would rather know than not know.

If I am made to look like an idiot, so be it. Next time I won't trust that source. This is a bulletin board by fans for fans. It is an appropriate place for this kind of quasi-news-rumor.

It's the Bryant Johnson thing that is most worrisome. He really does not know himself how bad the injury is, 4 weeks into wearing a boot. That's not a rumor. That's fact I confirmed.

skorp, you just keep on keepin' on good buddy. the bj thing scares me . . . and rarely would i say THAT!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I would agree that the injury to Bryant Johnson is worrisome. Stress fractures sound much worse than they really are however. He'll be back in short order.

Now, what I have a hard time believing is the comment that he has no idea as to how bad the situation is. Do you mean to tell me that a diagnosis of a stress fracture some four -five weeks ago (by a specialist and then the team physician no doubt) has left any doubt as to the severity (or lack thereof) of the situation.

I'm guessing that we would have heard about this before now if there was cause for any real concern.

though a stress fracture does not necessitate surgery it is not something to be trifled with. come back too soon and you aggravate it. and there are certainly different severities for stress fractures. sometimes they linger for months on end. it also depends on where it is. in the foot is quite possibly the WORST place for it to be. i wouldn't shake off this injury as negligible until we hear he's progressing nicely, comes outta that boot, and starts performing at 100% again.

 

[kerouac9]

though a stress fracture does not necessitate surgery it is not something to be trifled with. come back too soon and you aggravate it. and there are certainly different severities for stress fractures. sometimes they linger for months on end. it also depends on where it is. in the foot is quite possibly the WORST place for it to be. i wouldn't shake off this injury as negligible until we hear he's progressing nicely, comes outta that boot, and starts performing at 100% again.

Wasn't it a pre-season (pre-camp?) stress fracture in the foot that kept Vikings RB Michael Bennett for the first 8 games of '03? I think it was. Scary.

EDIT: The other thing I wonder is--if Bryant really isn't sure what's wrong with him--whether or not he may have a plantar facis (or whatever). It's really painful and almost impossible to "cure". You can play with it (Randy Moss has/is), but it hurts like hell.

 

[spanky1]

Wasn't it a pre-season (pre-camp?) stress fracture in the foot that kept Vikings RB Michael Bennett for the first 8 games of '03? I think it was. Scary.


EDIT: The other thing I wonder is--if Bryant really isn't sure what's wrong with him--whether or not he may have a plantar facis (or whatever). It's really painful and almost impossible to "cure". You can play with it (Randy Moss has/is), but it hurts like hell.

It was a foot injury but I'm not sure it was a stress fracture or not.

 

[Lex]

A stress fracture in the foot is one of those things that can linger. It can be used as an excuse not to play. Bryant is young however, and should recover fast.

Personally, "stress fracture" conjures up images of "microfracture surgery" for me.

Cubby, I can't buy your argument about Clayton's contract affecting everyone else's. If his 8% increase over the same slot last year makes everyone else's contract go up, there won't be enough money in ANY teams rookie pool to sign everyone. It's impossible.

The ideal situation for us, would be to sign Fitz just after Gallery. Rivers is in the slot behind Fitz, but San Diego's rookie pool is unusually large, since they got out of paying the #1 overall pick, so they can overpay Rivers, and screw up every other teams negotiations.

The Giants are in a whole other atmosphere of screwed. They have to sign Manning with 4th pick money.

 

[spanky1]

Lex,

Isn't "microfracture surgery" the treatment that players are moving towards for ACL/MCL's?

 

[kerouac9]

Lex,

Isn't "microfracture surgery" the treatment that players are moving towards for ACL/MCL's?

That's right. Stress fractures are bones, microfractures are ligaments and/or cartilidge (sp?). Totally different.

 

[Lex]

Microfracture surgery.

The words bring back painfull memories of how the process was going to save Eric Swann after we paid him all that dough. It went on, and on, and on, and he NEVER came back.

Then it was Andre Wadsworths turn with the microfracture surgery ... after we paid HIM all that dough, nothing changed from Swanny's experience. He never came back.

It got to the point, that we would wish a trip to Dr. Steadman on the best players of our opponents.

I still think "microfracture surgery" is just a tricky way of saying, "you can't cut me when I'm on IR."

All those bad memories? That's how I feel when I hear "stress fracture." They can drag on, and on, and on ...

 

[joeshmo]

Why the doom and gloom with Johnson. He knew about the problem 4 weeks ago and didnt need surgery then. He is only going in for a check up to see if it is healing properly, if it is then no surgery, and it is a high chance that he wont, if he didnt need it in the first place.

I had a stress fracture in my first metatarsal(that is the bone that connects to your big toes) one of the worst ones you can get becuae it is one of the most weight barring. Anyways I broke it in high school training for the cross country team and I was fully healed and out of the boot running at 100% 8 weeks later. It is just a matter of strengthening your foot muscles to give more support around the bones.

Laveranues Coles played with a stress fracture in his foot for 13 games last year.

Lets wait to here what the doctor says at the end of this week before we jump off a bridge.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Here's my two cents of speculation:

Johnson will be out for a while, but we still have McAddley, Kapser, and Gilmore as potential burners. Are they as good as Johnson? Most likely not, but if none of those guys can temporarily fill in as a third WR, then why do we even have them on the team?

Yes, this isn't good news, but it's not an Acl issue, and both Kasper and McAddley have shown some flashes of "decentness" in the last two years to make me think that we'll be okay.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SIGN SOMEONE?????????????????????

 

[Skkorpion]

Here's my two cents of speculation:

Johnson will be out for a while, but we still have McAddley, Kapser, and Gilmore as potential burners. Are they as good as Johnson? Most likely not, but if none of those guys can temporarily fill in as a third WR, then why do we even have them on the team?

Yes, this isn't good news, but it's not an Acl issue, and both Kasper and McAddley have shown some flashes of "decentness" in the last two years to make me think that we'll be okay.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SIGN SOMEONE?????????????????????

McAddley's hamstring knocked him out of minicamp again. Gilmore was dropping overything and Kasper couldn't get open deep in the 11 practices I watched this spring. At least Kasper has good hands and runs good routes.

And you know that Cards "combine" that Denny held that Kasper was so fast in? It never was held. It's fiction. It was cancelled. But these players get measured, tested, and the results recorded every day of wokouts, so you can safely assume the WRs have been timed recently.

One player told me, before Green muzzled the players, that every aspect of every "voluntary" weight training is recorded and the players were told that things like whether they finished every rep would be part of the permanent record and passed on to any future team the players might work for.

Denny runs a tough regimen and some of the players won't work out there under that kind of scrutiny.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

McAddley's hamstring knocked him out of minicamp again. Gilmore was dropping overything and Kasper couldn't get open deep in the 11 practices I watched this spring. At least Kasper has good hands and runs good routes.

And you know that Cards "combine" that Denny held that Kasper was so fast in? It never was held. It's fiction. It was cancelled. But these players get measured, tested, and the results recorded every day of wokouts, so you can safely assume the WRs have been timed recently.

One player told me, before Green muzzled the players, that every aspect of every "voluntary" weight training is recorded and the players were told that things like whether they finished every rep would be part of the permanent record and passed on to any future team the players might work for.

Denny runs a tough regimen and some of the players won't work out there under that kind of scrutiny.

Wow...

There's two things that I know about football: Every year one player that you count on goes down, but someone unexpected steps up. Hopefully the stepping up comes from a wr or a dt.