Suns @ Cavaliers 2-21-19

[Mainstreet]

I'm starting the Cavaliers thread a bit early to help bridge the gap between the All-Star Break and a place to put information about the upcoming game.

On Thursday the Suns visit the Cavaliers for a 5 p.m. Arizona time game that will be televised on FSAZ.

The Suns (11-48) are on a fifteen game losing streak with their last loss coming at the hands of the Clippers 134-107 on February 13th.

Meanwhile the Cavaliers (12-46) have fared only slight better. In their last game before the All-Star break they lost to the Nets 148-139 in triple overtime.

In regard to the standings, the Suns are in last place followed by the Knicks, Cavaliers and Bulls. The Suns and Knicks are only separated by the Suns having one more loss.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a tweet from Duane Ranking about the Suns status now and going forward.

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[1Sun]

I'm calling it now. If the Suns lose this game, they will set the NBA record for consecutive losses with this streak.

 

[95pro]

Chriss should be interesting to watch.

 

[Mainstreet]

Chriss should be interesting to watch.

Also we will get to see Brandon Knight and perhaps Channing Frye.

In the case of Chriss, if he develops elsewhere, it begs the question if the Suns are doing a good job in developing young players. The same may apply to Bender.

It would be extremely disappointing if the Suns have drafted well but failed to develop the talent given.

 

[95pro]

Also we will get to see Brandon Knight and perhaps Channing Frye.

In the case of Chriss, if he develops elsewhere, it begs the question if the Suns are doing a good job in developing young players. The same may apply to Bender.

It would be extremely disappointing if the Suns have drafted well but failed to develop the talent given.

The suns haven't developed anyone that I can remember. The only three in recent years are those that have stayed with us long enough, Amare, Marion and Booker.

I mentioned this in some other thread, but the Raptors have developed some of their own guys who they've drafted and kept around. The Suns seem to have always relied on the free agency.

 

[Mainstreet]

The suns haven't developed anyone that I can remember. The only three in recent years are those that have stayed with us long enough, Amare, Marion and Booker.

I mentioned this in some other thread, but the Raptors have developed some of their own guys who they've drafted and kept around. The Suns seem to have always relied on the free agency.

I do not remember the Suns doing well in free agency with Ariza being a huge fail, however, there are probably some other players I'm missing. PJ Tucker was a good free agent signing.

Warren has developed over the years as has Booker. It's hard to know how much is the player and how much is the coaching. There is always the question could they be even better.

I really like VanVleet and Siakam for the Raptors.

 

[Chaplin]

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#playoffs

 

[Mainstreet]

I found Wiki to be the most informative on short notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Spalding


Not much in regard to NBA stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/spaldra01.html

 

[Mainstreet]

I like this description of Ray Spalding:


Spalding is an athletic, 6-foot-10 project big man, but one that a rebuilding team like the Suns can afford to take on.

The forward is having a superb season in the G League, showing that he has an all-around game. Spalding is averaging 15.9 points and 9.4 rebounds per game in 29 contests. He has also been fantastic on the defensive end, averaging 1.6 steals and 2.5 blocks.


https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-plans-sign-ray-spalding-10-day-contract/

 

[itlnsunsfan]

I like this description of Ray Spalding:


Spalding is an athletic, 6-foot-10 project big man, but one that a rebuilding team like the Suns can afford to take on.

The forward is having a superb season in the G League, showing that he has an all-around game. Spalding is averaging 15.9 points and 9.4 rebounds per game in 29 contests. He has also been fantastic on the defensive end, averaging 1.6 steals and 2.5 blocks.


https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-plans-sign-ray-spalding-10-day-contract/

How come we can sign him? Did Dallas waive him?

 

[Chaplin]

How come we can sign him? Did Dallas waive him?

Yes, Dallas waived him after acquiring KP and he just stuck with their G-League affiliate.

 

[Mainstreet]

How come we can sign him? Did Dallas waive him?

Spalding was waived after the Porzingis trade.

It seems fair. Dallas gets Porzingis while the Suns get Spalding.

Actually I'm hopeful he might turn out like Holmes.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, Dallas waived him after acquiring KP and he just stuck with their G-League affiliate.

Might consider starting a thread Chaplin. That Tyler Johnson trade went 30 pages. LOL

 

[95pro]

I do not remember the Suns doing well in free agency with Ariza being a huge fail, however, there are probably some other players I'm missing. PJ Tucker was a good free agent signing.

Warren has developed over the years as has Booker. It's hard to know how much is the player and how much is the coaching. There is always the question could they be even better.

I really like VanVleet and Siakam for the Raptors.

I interpret player development to mostly apply to a non-lottery pick that has become any type of player contributing backup or rotation minutes.

 

[Hoop Head]

I like this description of Ray Spalding:


Spalding is an athletic, 6-foot-10 project big man, but one that a rebuilding team like the Suns can afford to take on.

The forward is having a superb season in the G League, showing that he has an all-around game. Spalding is averaging 15.9 points and 9.4 rebounds per game in 29 contests. He has also been fantastic on the defensive end, averaging 1.6 steals and 2.5 blocks.


https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-plans-sign-ray-spalding-10-day-contract/

It appears that site you quoted inflated his stats in the G-League some, not sure why. I didn't think anything of it when I saw they listed his rebounds at 9.4 instead of 9.3, figuring they rounded up or something, but then I saw he's averaging 2.2 blocks instead of the 2.5 mentioned, which I thought was odd.

Here are his G-League stats from Basketball-Reference...

15.9ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.2 bpg, 1.7 spg, 2.5 fouls, and shooting 51.4% from the field in 29 games with 26 of them being starts. He's also seeing the court for 30.1 minutes a game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/s/spaldra01d.html


Just so you know Mainstreet, and others, you can view a players G-League stats from their regular page on BR by going over to "MORE" on the bar towards the top of their page that also lists their game log, splits, and lineups and then a new display comes up under that and if they played in the G-League that will be an option shown to the right of their college stats...

Did a quick screenshot where I highlighted what I'm talking about with the "MORE" option and then "G-League" link.

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[Mainstreet]

I interpret player development to mostly apply to a non-lottery pick that has become any type of player contributing backup or rotation minutes.

With the exception Bogdan Bogdanovic (drafted #27) the Suns have not drafted much outside the lottery in the first round.

Their second round picks have not exactly set the world on fire.

I'm still hoping players like Melton and Okobo can be the exceptions.

PJ Tucker seems to be the best player the Suns might have developed but he probably honed his skills playing overseas.

 

[Mainstreet]

It appears that site you quoted inflated his stats in the G-League some, not sure why. I didn't think anything of it when I saw they listed his rebounds at 9.4 instead of 9.3, figuring they rounded up or something, but then I saw he's averaging 2.2 blocks instead of the 2.5 mentioned, which I thought was odd.

Here are his G-League stats from Basketball-Reference...

15.9ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.2 bpg, 1.7 spg, 2.5 fouls, and shooting 51.4% from the field in 29 games with 26 of them being starts. He's also seeing the court for 30.1 minutes a game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/s/spaldra01d.html


Just so you know Mainstreet, and others, you can view a players G-League stats from their regular page on BR by going over to "MORE" on the bar towards the top of their page that also lists their game log, splits, and lineups and then a new display comes up under that and if they played in the G-League that will be an option shown to the right of their college stats...

Did a quick screenshot where I highlighted what I'm talking about with the "MORE" option and then "G-League" link.

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Good stuff PH. I've never looked for G-league stats there. It makes it a lot easier.

 

[Hoop Head]

Good stuff PH. I've never looked for G-league stats there. It makes it a lot easier.

It definitely helps since the Suns have been using a lot of G-League players over the last couple of years. You can also see how some of our guys like Okobo have done down there on assignment. I think they should have a section on the players main page that lists their G-League stats similar to how they have a condensed view of their college stats but having them available in a click or two is much better than nothing. I used to go to multiple sites for G-League stats until I learned how to find them there.

 

[Mainstreet]

It definitely helps since the Suns have been using a lot of G-League players over the last couple of years. You can also see how some of our guys like Okobo have done down there on assignment. I think they should have a section on the players main page that lists their G-League stats similar to how they have a condensed view of their college stats but having them available in a click or two is much better than nothing. I used to go to multiple sites for G-League stats until I learned how to find them there.

For Suns players I used to go to the NAZ Suns site.

This makes it much quicker to find out how a player played in G-League especially outside the Suns organization.

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

I understand Warren has been out since January 22nd.

 

[95pro]

I understand Warren has been out since January 22nd.

Wow seems longer than that

 

[Carolinacacti]

I was one that hoped Chriss would have a nice year with the Suns. Now I believe he is fighting for a contract just to stay in the NBA. I would not sign Chriss to anything but a one year deal. Best thing the Suns did for that kid was trade him

 

[Cheesebeef]

I understand Warren has been out since January 22nd.

his complete inability to play defense, rebound, pass or stay healthy make him such a nothing asset, IMO.

They should have sold high on the kid in the first couple months of the season. He was always going to be the odd man out with our logjam at SF. Now, he's back to being somewhat damaged goods.