Suns, Blazers, Pistons 3-way to get us Rasheed

[cly2tw]

With all the talk of Marion for Rasheed, people just forgot that Pistons don't need another SF with 16mil price tag next to Prince.

What about Blazers? With Oden and Aldridge, they don't need Randolph anymore. With Roy they are set at SG and if they don't get Conley for Randolph somehow, they might be interest in getting a good SF for him. So, 3 way with

Marion to Blazers,
Randolph to Pistons, and
Rasheed to Suns

as the core pieces plus whatever small parts need to be moved. Rasheed doesn't want to play lowpost much so Pistons swaps him for Randolph and get a much more balanced offense.

 

[elindholm]

Wouldn't the Blazers just want Wallace for themselv... BWAHAHAHAH OOPS NEVER MIND SORRY.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Wouldn't the Blazers just want Wallace for themselv... BWAHAHAHAH OOPS NEVER MIND SORRY.

LOL. You know its funny though, I was talking to Henry Abbott from TrueHoop (big blazer fan) and he was talking about how if Portland didn't have a history with him he would actually make some sense

 

[dodie53]

With all the talk of Marion for Rasheed, people just forgot that Pistons don't need another SF with 16mil price tag next to Prince.

What about Blazers? With Oden and Aldridge, they don't need Randolph anymore. With Roy they are set at SG and if they don't get Conley for Randolph somehow, they might be interest in getting a good SF for him. So, 3 way with

Marion to Blazers,
Randolph to Pistons, and
Rasheed to Suns

as the core pieces plus whatever small parts need to be moved. Rasheed doesn't want to play lowpost much so Pistons swaps him for Randolph and get a much more balanced offense.

i agree..
the pistons need randolph so they can have a low post threat..
nice 3-team trade..

 

[asudevil83]

Marion for Wallace still makes me want to puke

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Marion for Wallace still makes me want to puke

ditto

 

[arwillan]

i like marion, and i dont like sheed. that being said i still feel marion is a better defender because he can guard 1-5. we saw that in game 5 if we feed him the ball more he can score just fine (because we didnt go back to him in the 2nd half) and when hes at the 4, few teams can match up to him. rasheed on the other hand can guard 4-5 well, but isnt too hard to defend with a guy like marion/camby etc etc.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i like marion, and i dont like sheed. that being said i still feel marion is a better defender because he can guard 1-5. we saw that in game 5 if we feed him the ball more he can score just fine (because we didnt go back to him in the 2nd half) and when hes at the 4, few teams can match up to him. rasheed on the other hand can guard 4-5 well, but isnt too hard to defend with a guy like marion/camby etc etc.

omg, how many times do we have to type the same thing??? just because dantoni makes him guard players 1 - 5 doesn't mean he's EFFECTIVE guarding them? if he gets lit up by parker and duncan, sure he GUARDED them, but he got torched by them too. that's no benefit. if rasheed guards one position or two positions well it's MUCH superior to marion guarding 5 positions poorly.

 

[arwillan]

omg, how many times do we have to type the same thing??? just because dantoni makes him guard players 1 - 5 doesn't mean he's EFFECTIVE guarding them? if he gets lit up by parker and duncan, sure he GUARDED them, but he got torched by them too. that's no benefit. if rasheed guards one position or two positions well it's MUCH superior to marion guarding 5 positions poorly.

marion did a decent job on parker. the suns wanted to force him into being a jump shooter and he was. he really made an uncharacteristically high amount of mid range shots. thats not totally marions fault. now marion on duncan was usually on a switch or when he came to double, and tim duncan is the best PF to play the game so thats really a mismatch for him but he still did a semi-decent job imo.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Marion for Wallace still makes me want to puke

I too hate championship mettle, good defense, and offensive versatility.

I don't like this deal, because we can get more than just 'Sheed for Marion.

 

[cly2tw]

marion did a decent job on parker. the suns wanted to force him into being a jump shooter and he was. he really made an uncharacteristically high amount of mid range shots. thats not totally marions fault. now marion on duncan was usually on a switch or when he came to double, and tim duncan is the best PF to play the game so thats really a mismatch for him but he still did a semi-decent job imo.

Let him shoot jumpers does not imply shoot uncontested, wide open 10-15 footers, that will result in high % even for an average shooter in the NBA. Vaughns even did to us in game 6. Did Bowen give anything easy to Nash?

 

[arwillan]

Let him shoot jumpers does not imply shoot uncontested, wide open 10-15 footers, that will result in high % even for an average shooter in the NBA. Vaughns even did to us in game 6. Did Bowen give anything easy to Nash?

thats a very good point. but i think marion just got too concerned with driving that he didnt get up to contest some shots. or maybe it was the refs calls that scared him off of playing the way bowen did. but lets say this, if we get rasheed for marion, what are our defensive matchups going to be? nash on parker ?

 

[Divide Et Impera]

thats a very good point. but i think marion just got too concerned with driving that he didnt get up to contest some shots. or maybe it was the refs calls that scared him off of playing the way bowen did. but lets say this, if we get rasheed for marion, what are our defensive matchups going to be? nash on parker ?

What don't people understand?!?!?!?

Nash on Parker with Wallace and Stoudemire behind Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marion on Parker

It really is simple. Nash plays TP in a way that forces him into the strength of the D (Stoud and Sheed) instead of Marion chasing TP around the perimeter and Parker being able to drive in for an uncontested layup....

 

[cly2tw]

thats a very good point. but i think marion just got too concerned with driving that he didnt get up to contest some shots. or maybe it was the refs calls that scared him off of playing the way bowen did. but lets say this, if we get rasheed for marion, what are our defensive matchups going to be? nash on parker ?

With Rasheed for Marion, we'll need to add some cheap defensive minded swingmen. Griffin? Buckner? Pietrus? Bell is too slow for Parker, but I still have hope that LB might finally learn how to defend.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Rasheed Wallace is a walking technical, and is begining to hit the twilight of his career... do we really want him mentoring Amare?

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Sheed has never relied on his athleticism. He has great footwork, great court vision, great post moves and a solid outside shot. He has 4-5 years left on him....

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Sheed has never relied on his athleticism. He has great footwork, great court vision, great post moves and a solid outside shot. He has 4-5 years left on him....

Look at the way his numbers have dropped off the last 3 years and tell me again he has 4-5 years left in him.

Anyone who thinks replacing Marion straight up with Rasheed will make this a better team needs to get their heads examined. Not only is Rasheed's play falling off, but he's a walking time bomb on the court. His oncourt antics are part of the reason the Pistons imploded in the ECFs.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

With Rasheed for Marion, we'll need to add some cheap defensive minded swingmen. Griffin? Buckner? Pietrus? Bell is too slow for Parker, but I still have hope that LB might finally learn how to defend.

Cheap defensive minded swingmen you say.....hmmmm......

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[OldDirtMcGirt]

Look at the way his numbers have dropped off the last 3 years and tell me again he has 4-5 years left in him.

Anyone who thinks replacing Marion straight up with Rasheed will make this a better team needs to get their heads examined. Not only is Rasheed's play falling off, but he's a walking time bomb on the court. His oncourt antics are part of the reason the Pistons imploded in the ECFs.

His numbers really haven't dropped off at all the last three years. The only relatively significant drop was two and a half PPG, and he averaged more rebounds.

I agree that 'Sheed straight up for Marion is ridiculous, but perhaps with this deal we could get some other pieces:

Detroit Gets: Zach Randolph
Portland Gets: Shawn Marion
Phoenix Gets: Rasheed Wallace and Jarret Jack

 

[arwillan]

His numbers really haven't dropped off at all the last three years. The only relatively significant drop was two and a half PPG, and he averaged more rebounds.

I agree that 'Sheed straight up for Marion is ridiculous, but perhaps with this deal we could get some other pieces:

Detroit Gets: Zach Randolph
Portland Gets: Shawn Marion
Phoenix Gets: Rasheed Wallace and Jarret Jack

i dont like this whole idea of marion for sheed, but if we're going to do it id like delfino as well as sheed

 

[cly2tw]

His numbers really haven't dropped off at all the last three years. The only relatively significant drop was two and a half PPG, and he averaged more rebounds.

I agree that 'Sheed straight up for Marion is ridiculous, but perhaps with this deal we could get some other pieces:

Detroit Gets: Zach Randolph
Portland Gets: Shawn Marion
Phoenix Gets: Rasheed Wallace and Jarret Jack

I suggested getting Jarret Jack in the package somewhere. However, is JJ a good defender, so as to be able to contain Parker well enough?

From Rasheed, the stats are not so important. I'd say he underperformed most of his career stats-wise. Yet, how he plays on the court makes him a great fit for the Suns talent-wise. Also, two years are all we need before Amare learns the complete package as a dominant bigman!

 

[cly2tw]

i dont like this whole idea of marion for sheed, but if we're going to do it id like delfino as well as sheed

I guess they'd give us Udoka or Outlaw on the side if any deal happens, as fill-ins. I doubt Pistons would give up Delfino though who is their 6th man but would be our 10th. And as such, we won't insist on Delfino anyway.

 

[dodie53]

delfino > junior

atleast carlos slashes to the basket
and sometimes dunks on someones head

 

[Goldfield]

It makes no sense to use Marion to guard Parker, because then he is out of position to grab rebounds.

Its a nice option to have but it should only be used to change things up. Not used in a 7 game playoff series.

Another way to slow down Parker & Manu is to have shot blocking threats inside. We are a much better threat of that with a guy like Wallace or Camby inside, and Amare at his natural position PF.

 

[Milgod]

It makes no sense to use Marion to guard Parker, because then he is out of position to grab rebounds.

Its a nice option to have but it should only be used to change things up. Not used in a 7 game playoff series.

Another way to slow down Parker & Manu is to have shot blocking threats inside. We are a much better threat of that with a guy like Wallace or Camby inside, and Amare at his natural position PF.

I wouldn't call Wallace a shot blocking threat.