Sorting the Wide Receivers; Part One

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An additional question of importance is where will these players go in the draft. If we want Odunze do we need to use the fourth overall pick if that is where we are? How far back could we go and still get one of the top four? Who would be available with our second first?
Long gone by round 2. Won’t last until the Texas pick. If Cards stay at 4 you could chance going down a little but you could get burned.
 

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Excellent analysis as usual, Harry. Would love to see the Cards get any of these four. Sadly, they may be all gone by our Texan's pick.
 

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Long gone by round 2. Won’t last until the Texas pick. If Cards stay at 4 you could chance going down a little but you could get burned.
Thanks. All the talk about trading back if MHJ is gone leads to that question. You want one of the top tackles or even the #2 WR you are taking a risk.
 

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Long gone by round 2. Won’t last until the Texas pick. If Cards stay at 4 you could chance going down a little but you could get burned.
Agree. If you want Odunze, he won't get out of the top ten.

Harrison is the best player, but Odunze is very likely to be a very good NFL WR in his own right. I think the comment about Odunze's fit being better is spot on and is why I'm bullish about him.

Look at how much he wins 50/50 balls. He's elite and is a blue chip player.
 

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Agree. If you want Odunze, he won't get out of the top ten.

Harrison is the best player, but Odunze is very likely to be a very good NFL WR in his own right. I think the comment about Odunze's fit being better is spot on and is why I'm bullish about him.

Look at how much he wins 50/50 balls. He's elite and is a blue chip player.
Odunze in the first and Rice in the third would be a great double dip and should set us up at WR for a long time
 

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Long gone by round 2. Won’t last until the Texas pick. If Cards stay at 4 you could chance going down a little but you could get burned.
i see Odunze consistently ranked in the top 7 players

i dont get some of the angst i see about taking him at #4 (assuming MHJ is gone) -- do we really think draft rankings are that precise?
 

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i see Odunze consistently ranked in the top 7 players

i dont get some of the angst i see about taking him at #4 (assuming MHJ is gone) -- do we really think draft rankings are that precise?
Agreed but if MHJ is gone then I would like Monti to trade back a couple of spots and then take Odunze.
 

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Agreed but if MHJ is gone then I would like Monti to trade back a couple of spots and then take Odunze.
But then we could lose him to the giants. I want one of the tackles but if we go wr I want a guy that Murray could just lob it up 2 if in trouble and that’s odunze
 

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But then we could lose him to the giants. I want one of the tackles but if we go wr I want a guy that Murray could just lob it up 2 if in trouble and that’s odunze
Giants oline is trash and their GM is old school so I think they are going OT.
 
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Odunze in the first and Rice in the third would be a great double dip and should set us up at WR for a long time
If somebody doesn’t grab Rice in the second round.
 

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Harry: a scouting question for you.

Do scouts believe that certain schools produce certain positions?

Im thinking LSU and WRs. Notre Dame and offensive linemen, etc.

and -- do you think its real?
 
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Harry: a scouting question for you.

Do scouts believe that certain schools produce certain positions?

Im thinking LSU and WRs. Notre Dame and offensive linemen, etc.

and -- do you think its real?
Absolutely! Always pay close attention to Penn St LBs. Want an OL? Look at
Michigan. Boston College was once in that mode, but they’ve fallen off lately. Need someone for the secondary? Scout LSU. All of this changes to some degree with coaching changes. Still recruits look at who gets drafted at their position and gravitate to those schools.
 

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So Nabers is the best YAC guy? A little better than MJH, or way better?

I think we want someone who can win a 50/50 ball, but we also want a guy who has the instincts and ability to turn a 8 yard out route into a 30 yard catch and run.
 

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i see Odunze consistently ranked in the top 7 players

i dont get some of the angst i see about taking him at #4 (assuming MHJ is gone) -- do we really think draft rankings are that precise?
I'm starting to think that way, but I think it's also easy to underestimate the value of a high quality OT. Alt has All Pro potential...even if Humphries didn't get hurt, Alt still should be considered.

Odunze is good enough that he would be the best receiver in a lot of drafts. Big guys that.can move like him are very valuable. Look at Evans career with TB.
 

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I'm starting to think that way, but I think it's also easy to underestimate the value of a high quality OT. Alt has All Pro potential...
it is a bummer that DJ got hurt the way he did

but -- if you apply K9's "who starts on the next Cardinal playoff team" test -- DJ probably didnt make the cut anyway

the WR group is deep enough that you can get one with the Texans pick in the 20s -- but at that point in the draft, the OTs are guys who might be guards
 
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So Nabers is the best YAC guy? A little better than MJH, or way better?

I think we want someone who can win a 50/50 ball, but we also want a guy who has the instincts and ability to turn a 8 yard out route into a 30 yard catch and run.
I’d give Nabers a slight edge. Playing different teams makes it hard to compare.
 
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