Section 11

[AZCB34]

Packers picked up Crouch and told him he will get his shot at QB.

 

[jf-08]

I wonder if Favre will be a June cap casualty as a result?

 

[SweetD]

No way they should let him end his career in GB.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Packers picked up Crouch and told him he will get his shot at QB.

If he's returing punts at 18 yards a pop, and kickoffs at 25 yards a pop for Green Bay this year, SECTION 11 is going to be pissed off.

He is a dangerous man with the ball in his hands. He rushed for 131 yards against Miami (with exactly zero people helping him out). Who's the last guy to put up 130+ on Miami? I have no idea.

He's probably the fastest guy on Green Bay's roster right now.

 

[AZCB34]

Re: Re: Section 11

Originally posted by SECTION 11
If he's returing punts at 18 yards a pop, and kickoffs at 25 yards a pop for Green Bay this year, SECTION 11 is going to be pissed off.

He is a dangerous man with the ball in his hands. He rushed for 131 yards against Miami (with exactly zero people helping him out). Who's the last guy to put up 130+ on Miami? I have no idea.

He's probably the fastest guy on Green Bay's roster right now.

But does he have a good arm because he will be expected to throw the ball in the old WC offense? He isn't going to rush for 100 yards every week in the NFL. That has been the "knock"...his arm coming from the Husker offense.

That is why teams try and convert those kids to S or WR. Crouch has his work cut out for him since the Packers have Craig Nall who they are very high on and are really touting as the heir apparent. Plus they have Doug Pedersen and they picked up some other kid whose name escapes me.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Originally posted by AZCB34
But does he have a good arm because he will be expected to throw the ball in the old WC offense? He isn't going to rush for 100 yards every week in the NFL. That has been the "knock"...his arm coming from the Husker offense.

That is why teams try and convert those kids to S or WR. Crouch has his work cut out for him since the Packers have Craig Nall who they are very high on and are really touting as the heir apparent. Plus they have Doug Pedersen and they picked up some other kid whose name escapes me.

Don't they also have Michael Bishop, one of my all time favorite college Qbs from Kansas State?

 

[SECTION 11]

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Originally posted by AZCB34
But does he have a good arm because he will be expected to throw the ball in the old WC offense? He isn't going to rush for 100 yards every week in the NFL. That has been the "knock"...his arm coming from the Husker offense.

That is why teams try and convert those kids to S or WR. Crouch has his work cut out for him since the Packers have Craig Nall who they are very high on and are really touting as the heir apparent. Plus they have Doug Pedersen and they picked up some other kid whose name escapes me.

Oh, I don't expect him to see the field as a QB. Unless it's say, 3rd and 3. He'll see some time in the Red Zone probably as well as a wingback.

He won't be rushing for 100 yards a game in the NFL either. But damn, as a returner? He'd by dynamite.

 

[SECTION 11]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Don't they also have Michael Bishop, one of my all time favorite college Qbs from Kansas State?

I think Bishop's with New England.

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Don't they also have Michael Bishop, one of my all time favorite college Qbs from Kansas State?

No they don't but they did at one point. They also have Zak Kustok (Northwestern) whom they picked up as a FA. Crowded QB picture although I would presume Kustok's life span will be shot with Crouch coming aboard.

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Oh, I don't expect him to see the field as a QB. Unless it's say, 3rd and 3. He'll see some time in the Red Zone probably as well as a wingback.

He won't be rushing for 100 yards a game in the NFL either. But damn, as a returner? He'd by dynamite.

But he is going to be a QB and not a Slash type player (at this point).

So the question is does he have a good enough arm to be an NFL QB?

 

[SECTION 11]

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Originally posted by AZCB34
So the question is does he have a good enough arm to be an NFL QB?

No. But he's without a doubt good enough to get on the field.

 

[AZCB34]

Here is the press release from the Packers (I added them giving him a chance to play QB based on the story in today's EV Tribune:

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2003/04/23/3/

Packers Claim QB Eric Crouch, Former Heisman Winner, On Waivers

posted 04/23/2003

Eric Crouch





The Green Bay Packers have claimed quarterback Eric Crouch on waivers from the St. Louis Rams, GM/Head Coach Mike Sherman announced Wednesday.

A third-round selection of the Rams in the 2002 NFL draft, the former University of Nebraska field general won the Heisman Trophy in 2001 after he became only the third Division I player to rush for more than 3,000 yards and pass for 4,000 yards.

When St. Louis planned to utilize Crouch as a wide receiver/punt returner, he retired from football and sat out the 2003 season. Although since released by the Rams, the 6-foot, 195-pound former Cornhusker is still on the reserve-retired list, where he will remain unless or until he submits a letter to NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue requesting to have his name removed from the list.

Crouch (2001) would be the sixth Heisman Trophy winner to play for the Packers, joining Bruce Smith (1941), Paul Hornung (1956), Ty Detmer (1990), Desmond Howard (1991) and Danny Wuerffel (1996).

 

[SECTION 11]

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
I think Bishop's with New England.

Where is Bishop? I don't see him listed anywhere.

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
No. But he's without a doubt good enough to get on the field.

But he was bitching in STL that he wanted to be a QB. They thought he was good enough to be on the field in another capacity. So, if you don't think he has the arm, then he will be right back where he started his career.

 

[SECTION 11]

The fact that he made it past the Cardinals on waivers, when we don't have a kick or punt returner, is just friggin dumb. There is absolutely no harm in making a claim on him. Hell, tell him he's competing with McCown for #2, but in the mean time he's gotta return kicks. He's that good with the ball in traffic or in the open field, he's tough as nails and he's faster than chit.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Where is Bishop? I don't see him listed anywhere.

I always hoped that we would bring him in. In fact, whenever I play Madden, I always sign him as a free agent backup.

The dude was almost as athletic as Mike Vick.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
The fact that he made it past the Cardinals on waivers, when we don't have a kick or punt returner, is just friggin dumb. There is absolutely no harm in making a claim on him. Hell, tell him he's competing with McCown for #2, but in the mean time he's gotta return kicks. He's that good with the ball in traffic or in the open field, he's tough as nails and he's faster than chit.

Kind of like Jim Jensen of the Dolphins back when Marino was around. He backed up Marino but anted on the field so bad he started playing special teams and eventually was playing some WR.

The question is will Crouch be OK with that? I mean, how badly does he want to play football vs how badly does he want to play QB?

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by AZCB34


Crouch (2001) would be the sixth Heisman Trophy winner to play for the Packers, joining Bruce Smith (1941), Paul Hornung (1956), Ty Detmer (1990), Desmond Howard (1991) and Danny Wuerffel (1996). [/B]

That is quite an elite pro-list once you get by Hornung........

 

[jf-08]

Bishop was claimed by the Pack 2 years ago:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/articles/20010821/337428.html

Packers win waiver-claim competition for ex-Pats QB Bishop

August 21, 2001 Print it




BOSTON -- Quarterback Michael Bishop, unwanted by the New England Patriots but sought after by two other NFL teams, will compete for a job with the Green Bay Packers.

Bishop, waived by the Patriots last Friday, was claimed by both the Packers and the Miami Dolphins, and the Packers were awarded his contract, according to published reports.

Under the National Football League waiver procedure, any team can put in a claim during the 24-hour waiver period, but if more than one team puts in a claim, the team with the worst record from the preceding season gets the player.

"I thought I could go to Miami and really compete and show them some things," Bishop told The Boston Globe by phone from his home in Houston, "but hopefully the Packers will give me the opportunity to compete for the backup job."

Bishop will compete with veterans Doug Pederson, Billy Joe Tolliver and Canadian Football League star Henry Burris to back up Green Bay starter and two-time NFL Most Valuable Player Brett Favre.

At Miami, his only major competition to backup starter Jay Fiedler would be former Patriot and Jet Ray Lucas.

The Patriots reportedly released Bishop after attempts to trade him were unsuccessful. He has one year remaining on his contract at $398,000.

Bishop was selected by the Patriots in the seventh round of the 1999 draft out of Kansas State. He became a fan favorite because of his scrambling ability.

In eight regular-season games, Bishop completed just 3-of-9 passes for 80 yards, and ran for minus-1 yard on seven carries.

Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

[SECTION 11]

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Originally posted by AZCB34
But he was bitching in STL that he wanted to be a QB. They thought he was good enough to be on the field in another capacity. So, if you don't think he has the arm, then he will be right back where he started his career.

No, he wasn't bitching about playing QB. That's totally false.
He knew when they drafted him what his role was going to be.
He wasn't picking up receiver fast enough, and wasn't healthy enough to compensate for it. He said "It's not working out at receiver, I can't take your money, here you go." Now that he's had a year to heal (do you have any idea the pounding you take playing option QB? You're fully exposed on the pitch, and will get clobbered repeatedly.) he wants to make another run at it. I'm guessing he's willing to do whatever it takes at this point. I'm not convinced that wasn't the case before.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
The fact that he made it past the Cardinals on waivers, when we don't have a kick or punt returner, is just friggin dumb. There is absolutely no harm in making a claim on him. Hell, tell him he's competing with McCown for #2, but in the mean time he's gotta return kicks. He's that good with the ball in traffic or in the open field, he's tough as nails and he's faster than chit.

Problem is, Section, if we put in a waiver claim and get him, we go to the bottom of the waiver list. Therefore, if a player we actually really want gets waived, unless other teams have picked up a guy off waivers, we get last dibbs. The Cards likely weighed the upside to Crouch (not too much-would have to reserve a roster spot solely for him, unproven on NFL punts, not sure he can even return kicks) and decided it wasn't worth the risk.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Stout
Problem is, Section, if we put in a waiver claim and get him, we go to the bottom of the waiver list. Therefore, if a player we actually really want gets waived, unless other teams have picked up a guy off waivers, we get last dibbs. The Cards likely weighed the upside to Crouch (not too much-would have to reserve a roster spot solely for him, unproven on NFL punts, not sure he can even return kicks) and decided it wasn't worth the risk.

That makes perfect sense.




"...CB over to Section 11, Section 11 back over to CB, CB over to Stout on the wing, Stout to Section, Section back to Stout..... HHHEEEEEEEE SHOOTSANDSCORES."

 

[jf-08]

Bishop is now with the Toronto Argonauts:

http://www.argonauts.on.ca/ArgosBios/bishop.html

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
No, he wasn't bitching about playing QB. That's totally false.
He knew when they drafted him what his role was going to be.
He wasn't picking up receiver fast enough, and wasn't healthy enough to compensate for it. He said "It's not working out at receiver, I can't take your money, here you go." Now that he's had a year to heal (do you have any idea the pounding you take playing option QB? You're fully exposed on the pitch, and will get clobbered repeatedly.) he wants to make another run at it. I'm guessing he's willing to do whatever it takes at this point. I'm not convinced that wasn't the case before.

I heard it defferent. I thought he said I don't want to be a WR so if you aren't going to play me at QB then I will retire. Anyway, it will be interesting to see if he sticks in GB.