QB Thoughts

[Duckjake]

Where were the reports back in August that "sources" close to the organization say the Cardinals are unhappy with Skelton's work ethic and game preparation? Skelton just can't throw the NFL football worth a flip. That's all there is to it.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Where were the reports back in August that "sources" close to the organization say the Cardinals are unhappy with Skelton's work ethic and game preparation? Skelton just can't throw the NFL football worth a flip. That's all there is to it.

Not every report is available for public consumption.

 

[Dayman]

Where were the reports back in August that "sources" close to the organization say the Cardinals are unhappy with Skelton's work ethic and game preparation? Skelton just can't throw the NFL football worth a flip. That's all there is to it.

I'd like to know the same thing. I don't think they came from Whis.

http://arizonasports.com/40/1572897/Limiting-turnovers-is-key-to-Skeltons-success

Still, Whisenhunt remained impressed by Skelton's work ethic and felt it was the right choice to give him this chance to prove himself.

"[Skelton]'s been in here working," Whisenhunt told Arizona Sports 620's Doug & Wolf Show Monday. "You can see his confidence in how he's approaching this right now. It's his opportunity to take it and run with it."

"What [Skelton]'s got to do is limit those plays earlier in games," Whisenhunt said. "He did a great job at the end of the games and it's obvious that he's more comfortable in what we're asking him to do. The next step for him is taking it in the position as the starting quarterback and seeing how he handles it from there."

 

[Mitch]

I'd like to know the same thing. I don't think they came from Whis.

http://arizonasports.com/40/1572897/Limiting-turnovers-is-key-to-Skeltons-success

I read several times during the off-season that he and Andre Roberts, Rob Housler, JS's brother Stephen and Jaymar Johnson were conducting their own workouts and passing sessions.

Not so sure at all that JS's issues are work ethic related---

I know just about everyone has given up on JS...there's no reason to cut him as he's playing on a 5th rounder contract...let's just see what he looks like with another coach. Hey, it's not like others have succeeded around him the past three years. In fact, he has more wins as a starter, 8, than any of them---Kolb has 5.

If he continued to struggle within the new scheme---then it's time to let go.

Coaching can make a huge difference---it did for Alex Smith.

 

[Clif]

Qb thoughts... none. They clearly don't have any.

 

[Clif]

Seriously. John Skelton is and has been a scrub. Lets call a spade a spade. Might be a great guy outside of football. It is a complete joke that he was a starting QB in the NFL.

 

[john h]

1. John Skelton---haven't given up on him. Disappointed in his play this year and the fact that he didn't carpe diem the opportunity. I am curious to know what he would look like with another coach in another system.

If I were coaching him---I would do the following (try not to laugh too hard!)---but I am serious (which I am sure makes it even more funny):

a. put a tinted visor on him---not only does his height hurt him in that DBs can get a clear look at him, but Skelton has big eyes---really big eyes---again this doesn't help.

b. drum into his head that when the pocket starts to collapse, run with the ball.

c. get him to start stepping into his throws and start snapping the ball---he's always trying to guide the ball---that has to stop---he has to start throwing the ball and throwing it with conviction.

d. get his mind right---this, imo, is how Whisenhunt and Miller have failed in---here is a guy who physically fears nothing, which is rare for a QB with a porous offensive line---BUT---here is a guy who fears the mental part---he fears making mistakes---and he fears making bad throws, which is why he tries to guide the ball.

e. faster release---what he needs to learn is to keep the ball directly behind his right earhole---the ball will come out cleaner and faster...he's really got to get in the habit of doing this.

f. greater intensity---he looks way too laid back---but then again so does Aaron Rodgers---but there are times when Rodgers really buckles down and the team feeds off of his intensity. Skelton needs to develop this side of his demeanor and he will be taken more seriously.

2. Kevin Kolb---should retire. He won back the respect he briefly lost. His injuries have been scary and they occurred on plays that didn't even look that bad when they happened. The concussions and then the torn and dislocated rib cage.

3. Ryan Lindley---again would very much like to see him with another coach. He had a great relationship with Brian Sipe---that's what he needs in the NFL, a coach who believes in him.

4. Kirk Cousins---I watched him very closely last week, I believe some of you did as well. Saw him step in and play well the week before. I like him---he's shifty and throws a very accurate and catchable ball. The Redskins need draft picks---if the Cardinals were to offer their 2nd rounder---the Redskins might be very tempted to make the trade. Having looked at all the draft prospects at QB at length---I would rank Cousins right up there in the top three.

5. Chase Daniel---very intrigued, obviously, with him.

6. Alex Smith---can't stand the guy for all the snarky comments he has made about the Cardinals---and I really don't think he would want to come to Arizona. But, if he did, he would have a big chip on his shoulder. Could be a good thing.

7. Ryan Fitzpatrick---might be on the way out of Buffalo. Have always liked him---and if he could elevate his game better in 4th quarters I think he could be very very good.

Searching for answers---

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are we have no NFL starting QB on our team. Not now not ever for these three. Sign the best FA QB you can and draft the best one you can with our #1 pick. No team will ever contend without a decent QB. This is a passing league. That should cover it for me. Even trade up if there is a QB you think is worth it.

 

[JeffGollin]

I know just about everyone has given up on JS...there's no reason to cut him as he's playing on a 5th rounder contract...let's just see what he looks like with another coach. Hey, it's not like others have succeeded around him the past three years. In fact, he has more wins as a starter, 8, than any of them---Kolb has 5..

What I see in Skelton is a developmental type perfectly suited for clipboard duty on the PS where he could listen and learn. Unfortunately he was pressed into service early without having the skill set (like Wilson's) that can help newbies succeed earlier than otherwise. Add to this the tendency by fans and media to magnify every small success and turn it into the second coming of Johnny Unitas and you've raised expectations way beyond any semblance of reality.

The big question about Skelton (as we close out the season) has to be how badly (if at all) he's been damaged psychologically by this year's disaster and whether he can be comfortable reverting back to a #3 backup or PS role once again - because, in my opinion, that's the only way he can straighten out his career as an NFL quarterback. But if he can do so, he does have the raw tools.

 

[Chopper0080]

What I see in Skelton is a developmental type perfectly suited for clipboard duty on the PS where he could listen and learn. Unfortunately he was pressed into service early without having the skill set (like Wilson's) that can help newbies succeed earlier than otherwise. Add to this the tendency by fans and media to magnify every small success and turn it into the second coming of Johnny Unitas and you've raised expectations way beyond any semblance of reality.

The big question about Skelton (as we close out the season) has to be how badly (if at all) he's been damaged psychologically by this year's disaster and whether he can be comfortable reverting back to a #3 backup or PS role once again - because, in my opinion, that's the only way he can straighten out his career as an NFL quarterback. But if he can do so, he does have the raw tools.

If he is that weak mentally then he doesn't have what it takes. QB is the one position on the field where you have it or you don't. Skelton has been given more of a shot than most QBs get and he failed miserably. Lets stop trying to justify putting more time and effort into a player in hopes that we can get him to his 2011 level of crappy QB play. Scrap him, get someone new and move on.