POLL: Sean Payton in 2023 (Officially Going to Denver)

[QuebecCard]

lol and good luck with that whole responding to a bunch of my posts only to delete them all later after discovering they were all 100% on the money

Deleted ONLY because events made them redundant, not because your assertions and so-called logic were in the least bit compelling.

 

[Dayman]

It's hilarious that people who aggressively approve of trading a first round pick for Hollywood Brown with 1 cheap year left on his contract and using a second round pick on a backup TE are so against trading a first and second for a head coach who has already turned around a previously downtrodden franchise.

Also, this was always the most likely result. The Bidwills are masters at being used for leverage.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It's hilarious that people who aggressively approve of trading a first round pick for Hollywood Brown with 1 cheap year left on his contract and using a second round pick on a backup TE are so against trading a first and second for a head coach who has already turned around a previously downtrodden franchise.

Also, this was always the most likely result. The Bidwills are masters at being used for leverage.

So you're good trading #3? I think that's the issue.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Deleted ONLY because events made them redundant, not because your assertions and so-called logic were in the least bit compelling.

Whatever you say my guy

 

[Dayman]

So you're good trading #3? I think that's the issue.

I would be very surprised if there was ever a serious expectation of a #3 pick when they settled on the #29 pick.

Denver gave two offers, with one of them being a 2024 first rounder.

 

[AZCB34]

So you're good trading #3? I think that's the issue.

I asked this a couple of days ago:

If the Cardinals would win a Super Bowl with Payton in 3-4 years, would it have been worth #3?

Personally I was against doing that but had they chose to do so I would have been reluctantly on board.

 

[oaken1]

It's hilarious that people who aggressively approve of trading a first round pick for Hollywood Brown with 1 cheap year left on his contract and using a second round pick on a backup TE are so against trading a first and second for a head coach who has already turned around a previously downtrodden franchise.

Also, this was always the most likely result. The Bidwills are masters at being used for leverage.

wait....
when did we draft a backup TE?

 

[Redsz]

Honestly I would have had no problem with giving up what the Broncos gave the Saints

 

[Dayman]

wait....
when did we draft a backup TE?

Last year after giving Ertz top 10 TE money.

 

[QuebecCard]

Last year after giving Ertz top 10 TE money.

Ever heard of two tight-end sets?

And the so-called backup was the top College T-end.

 

[oaken1]

Last year after giving Ertz top 10 TE money.

we didnt draft a backup. we drafted a starter. Fortunately we drafted him soon enough that he has time to develop before we have to press him into full time starter.
paying ertz has nothing to do with having a replacement ready for when he is gone.
sooner or later, the Cardinals need to become a pro team and start drafting guys three years before they need them to play. otherwise the fans will never get over thinking a rookie has to come in and save the team or else he was a wasted pick.

 

[ajcardfan]

I would be very surprised if there was ever a serious expectation of a #3 pick when they settled on the #29 pick.

Denver gave two offers, with one of them being a 2024 first rounder.

If we had offered the third they would have took it. 29 is a number that comes before 35.

We could have offered 35 and a first next year but that doesn't mean NO would think that is better. The Broncos sucked almost as hard as we did and their QB now has a noodle arm. It's not a no brainer the Cards pick next year would be higher than the Broncos. It is a no brainer 29 is higher than 35.

 

[Billy Bob]

Well, I wasted way too much of my life than I needed to on this!

 

[ajcardfan]

Last year after giving Ertz top 10 TE money.

And he is now already better than Ertz.

 

[QuebecCard]

If we had offered the third they would have took it. 29 is a number that comes before 35.

We could have offered 35 and a first next year but that doesn't mean NO would think that is better. The Broncos sucked almost as hard as we did and their QB now has a noodle arm. It's not a no brainer the Cards pick next year would be higher than the Broncos. It is a no brainer 29 is higher than 35.

What NO would have accepted and where Payton wanted to park his butt are two different issues.

This wasn't a player trade.

 

[ajcardfan]

What NO would have accepted and where Payton wanted to park his butt are two different issues.

This wasn't a player trade.

You don't say! Do go on.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Who've we lost?

Ryan's was never really on our list and only really going to the Texans.

Payton we turned down because of the ridiculous cost.

Quinn stayed home.

Only guy we really lost is Reich.

I love this spin. You didn’t dump me, I dumped you! The cardinals organization is a perfect organization in Britcards eyes.

 

[QuebecCard]

You don't say! Do go on.

I'm sure when you give yourself a moment to reflect, you understand that the Cards' willingness to compensate NO is irrelevant to Payton's decision to sign on the dotted line.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I'm anxious to see what the salary is for Payton from the Walmart Bronco owners. That will answer lot of questions.

Me too

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Flip side of this the Broncos have no picks. They have less cap space than us (#15). Wilson looks beyond washed.

They play in the hardest division in football.

Was this the right move Sean?

 

[AZCB34]

Flip side of this the Broncos have no picks. They have less cap space than us (#15). Wilson looks beyond washed.

They play in the hardest division in football.

Was this the right move Sean?

He seems to think so. I am guessing Wilson will be rejuvenated next year…or at least Payton thinks he will be

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Flip side of this the Broncos have no picks. They have less cap space than us (#15). Wilson looks beyond washed.

They play in the hardest division in football.

Was this the right move Sean?

I think it was a bad move for Payton team-wise. They do have an absolutely electric defense. But he avoided coaching for a bidwill, so who is to really say if it was a win or loss?

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm sure when you give yourself a moment to reflect, you understand that the Cards' willingness to compensate NO is irrelevant to Payton's decision to sign on the dotted line.

Link?

 

[QuebecCard]

Link?

LINK?

NO had it within their legal authority to deny Payton a new gig in 2023 by refusing to accept an offer of compensation.

They certainly did not have the power to dictate where he'd agree to coach.

 

[Dan H]

Flip side of this the Broncos have no picks. They have less cap space than us (#15). Wilson looks beyond washed.

They play in the hardest division in football.

Was this the right move Sean?

$100 million over 4 years in a state with 4.4% income tax is one hell of a retirement plan.