OT: Wade VS Lebron

jibikao

Registered User
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Posts
3,390
Reaction score
0
This is an off topic question.

I've been watching quite a few Heat's game and I really think Wade is great. Wade's slashing is so difficult to guard. Kidd is a good defender but Wade is way too quick and athletic for him to handle.

I haven't watched too many Lebron games except for the ones on ESPN. Lebron is great but I think I'll take Wade over Lebron at this moment. Flame me but I think Wade has better career than Lebron now.

Lebron generated so much hypes/expectation and yet they still fail to make it to the playoff this year. What a sad news. If I were the owner of Cavs, I'll fire everyone but Lebron. lol (While Melo makes to the playoff again....)
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
93,585
Reaction score
73,434
jibikao said:
This is an off topic question.

I've been watching quite a few Heat's game and I really think Wade is great. Wade's slashing is so difficult to guard. Kidd is a good defender but Wade is way too quick and athletic for him to handle.

I haven't watched too many Lebron games except for the ones on ESPN. Lebron is great but I think I'll take Wade over Lebron at this moment. Flame me but I think Wade has better career than Lebron now.

Lebron generated so much hypes/expectation and yet they still fail to make it to the playoff this year. What a sad news. If I were the owner of Cavs, I'll fire everyone but Lebron. lol (While Melo makes to the playoff again....)

Wade has Shaq - it's no comparison. LeBron is disgusting - and has completely lived up to the hype. You switch the two guys and put Lebron on Shaq's team - THEY are the East's best team and the Cavs are likely exactly where the Cavs sit or a little below them.

27 7 and 7 is sick - it's not Bron's fault he's got absolute dog doo doo around him.

Bottom line - both guys are absolute studs.
 

MaoTosiFanClub

The problem
Joined
Oct 7, 2003
Posts
12,898
Reaction score
7,159
Location
Scottsdale, AZ
LeBron is only 20 years old and finished only his second season in the NBA (scary to think his competition was a bunch of 5'7 140 lb. slow white guys a mere two years ago) and is already one of the game's 10 best players. Give him some experience and a supporting cast that isn't a bunch of scrubs and the league's not going to know what hit them. I'd trade any player on the Suns for LeBron without thinking twice.
 

myrondizzo

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 27, 2004
Posts
1,032
Reaction score
7
Location
Mesa
jibikao said:
... Lebron generated so much hypes/expectation and yet they still fail to make it to the playoff this year. What a sad news. If I were the owner of Cavs, I'll fire everyone but Lebron. lol (While Melo makes to the playoff again....)
they missed the playoff but not because lebron that is for sure. this year lebron had better number than wade in almost every stat. not to mention that wade is almsot 3 years older. lebron is 4" taller and 30 pounds heavier he is way more versitile. at the start of the season i thought it was mostly hype but he proved himself to me in our OT loss to the cavs early this season he was completely unstopable.
 
OP
OP
jibikao

jibikao

Registered User
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Posts
3,390
Reaction score
0
Maybe it's just me. The 2nd game against Heat, Wade has shown me that he is unstoppable as well. He totally collapsed our defense (even when Shaq was on the bench most of the time, remember?) and he blocked Amare (that was very ugly) and made that last second shot. Wade is very competitive. Wade scares me more than Lebron for some reasons.

I guess my approach to a team-based game is different than most of you. I would actually choose Amare over Lebron. Yes, Amare doesn't have the stats Lebron has but when you add a so-so, pass-first guard like Nash it becomes almost unstoppable. I think most teams lack guys like Amare than guys like Lebron. When you have guys like Amare/Shaq, it opens up the floor so much. You don't need Lebron to do it all himself like what Kobe is trying to do. That's too much work and it's not very team-friendly.

I like Wade because he does what he does the best. I don't want Wade to have high assists because he is not a guard. I want him to SLASH inside and break their defense. I want Wade to take over 4th quarter game and be the go-to guy all the time.


I guess my point is... I don't like versatility. Versatility sucks. If you play RPG online games, you'll know what I mean. Team-oriented games/sports, versatility is the worst of all. Take Diablo for example, why do you see so many Sorc than Druid? Because Sorc does what she does the BEST. Sorc can't really solo well because she is not versatile but when she has a meatshield like Pally and Barbarian, she becomes unstoppable; whereas you have this Druid guy who KNOWS IT ALL but isn't the master of anything. He can do some melee fight, some magic and some summoning but NONE OF THEM are great. In a party situation, Druid becomes so weak 'cause there is nothing in him that stands out (unless it's a pure werewolf/werebear/windwalker). But versatile characters are usually great soloers because they can handle many situations.

Basketball is a team sports and I think the logics are the same. You can clearly see in MJ's Bulls. They have one of the best rebounder/defender in the league Rodman who does nothing but defense. You have Steve Kerr whose job is to take clutch 3pt and spread the floor. You have big, fat Luc Lonely whose job is to box out everybody and let Rodman get the rebound. You have Pippen who is the best supporting character you can find. And then you have MJ who is the best offense machine. You have a great TEAM. :)

Bottomline, at this moment, I'll choose Wade/Amare over Lebron. Maybe Lebron will prove me wrong next year when they have much better players but they did have a great run before the all-star so it's not like those players suck in the first place. They were "good" at one point so something must go very wrong for them to drop out of playoff.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
93,585
Reaction score
73,434
jibikao said:
They were "good" at one point so something must go very wrong for them to drop out of playoff.

yeah - they were playing over the head and then they fired their coach. That's what happened.

I'd take Lebron over anyone in the league at this point. The guy seems like a hybrid between Magic and Jordan - and I was one of thsoe people hoping he'd fall on his face because of the ridiculous amount of hype he got.

Oh - and jib - do you know what the Heat's record was last season without Shaq? Yeah - that's the right - the same exact record as what the Cavs have now - but in a much weaker Eastern Conference.
 

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
65,806
Reaction score
61,745
Location
SoCal
jibikao said:
Maybe it's just me. The 2nd game against Heat, Wade has shown me that he is unstoppable as well. He totally collapsed our defense (even when Shaq was on the bench most of the time, remember?) and he blocked Amare (that was very ugly) and made that last second shot. Wade is very competitive. Wade scares me more than Lebron for some reasons.

I guess my approach to a team-based game is different than most of you. I would actually choose Amare over Lebron. Yes, Amare doesn't have the stats Lebron has but when you add a so-so, pass-first guard like Nash it becomes almost unstoppable. I think most teams lack guys like Amare than guys like Lebron. When you have guys like Amare/Shaq, it opens up the floor so much. You don't need Lebron to do it all himself like what Kobe is trying to do. That's too much work and it's not very team-friendly.

I like Wade because he does what he does the best. I don't want Wade to have high assists because he is not a guard. I want him to SLASH inside and break their defense. I want Wade to take over 4th quarter game and be the go-to guy all the time.


I guess my point is... I don't like versatility. Versatility sucks. If you play RPG online games, you'll know what I mean. Team-oriented games/sports, versatility is the worst of all. Take Diablo for example, why do you see so many Sorc than Druid? Because Sorc does what she does the BEST. Sorc can't really solo well because she is not versatile but when she has a meatshield like Pally and Barbarian, she becomes unstoppable; whereas you have this Druid guy who KNOWS IT ALL but isn't the master of anything. He can do some melee fight, some magic and some summoning but NONE OF THEM are great. In a party situation, Druid becomes so weak 'cause there is nothing in him that stands out (unless it's a pure werewolf/werebear/windwalker). But versatile characters are usually great soloers because they can handle many situations.

Basketball is a team sports and I think the logics are the same. You can clearly see in MJ's Bulls. They have one of the best rebounder/defender in the league Rodman who does nothing but defense. You have Steve Kerr whose job is to take clutch 3pt and spread the floor. You have big, fat Luc Lonely whose job is to box out everybody and let Rodman get the rebound. You have Pippen who is the best supporting character you can find. And then you have MJ who is the best offense machine. You have a great TEAM. :)

Bottomline, at this moment, I'll choose Wade/Amare over Lebron. Maybe Lebron will prove me wrong next year when they have much better players but they did have a great run before the all-star so it's not like those players suck in the first place. They were "good" at one point so something must go very wrong for them to drop out of playoff.


dude, but amare is such a level 10 necromancer! and wade is barely a level 5 thief at this point. now if we're talking a lycanthrope - dwarf mix then you might be onto something! now throw them all in the dark hole of anthor and see how they come out! i bet the level 17 elf, if teamed with a cyborg-transmuted cicadian, would end up having trouble, but definitely not a zombie-king or royal-beserker. wtf . . .
 

playstation

Selfless Service
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
1,685
Reaction score
2
Location
Bay Area
jibikao said:
I guess my point is... I don't like versatility. Versatility sucks. If you play RPG online games, you'll know what I mean. Team-oriented games/sports, versatility is the worst of all. Take Diablo for example, why do you see so many Sorc than Druid? Because Sorc does what she does the BEST. Sorc can't really solo well because she is not versatile but when she has a meatshield like Pally and Barbarian, she becomes unstoppable; whereas you have this Druid guy who KNOWS IT ALL but isn't the master of anything. He can do some melee fight, some magic and some summoning but NONE OF THEM are great. In a party situation, Druid becomes so weak 'cause there is nothing in him that stands out (unless it's a pure werewolf/werebear/windwalker). But versatile characters are usually great soloers because they can handle many situations.

i'm sorry, but this is the worst explanation for a belief that i've ever heard. i wasn't even going to respond, but it was just so horrible that i HAD to clown you for it. seriously, what the hell were you thinking?! lol
versatility in basketball is bad because some video game told you so??? lol

and you used the chicago bulls to prove your point! lol
didn't they have scottie pippen, who is regarded as one of the most versatile players in nba history? please tell me you were drunk or something while writing this!
 

elindholm

edited for content
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
28,158
Reaction score
11,192
Location
L.A. area
Sorc can't really solo well because she is not versatile

I don't know anything about online RPGs, but it seems to me that any female who can't solo well is at a severe disadvantage.
 
OP
OP
jibikao

jibikao

Registered User
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Posts
3,390
Reaction score
0
God, I am so in love with video games and it's not even funny.

Sorry, I am at work and I just have to type something. LOL


But I still think my video game logic is correct. :) And no, Sorc is not "fine" on her own since she relies on elements and there are immunities in Hell unless she goes for Meteor/Orb build which may work but still very difficult.

Versatility is good to have but if your team relies on that, it won't be good. :)
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
93,585
Reaction score
73,434
jibikao said:
Versatility is good to have but if your team relies on that, it won't be good. :)

it sure didn't help the Lakers when Magic was running the show. Man - talk about versatility being an weight on your shoulders there!
 

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
65,806
Reaction score
61,745
Location
SoCal
jibikao said:
God, I am so in love with video games and it's not even funny.

Sorry, I am at work and I just have to type something. LOL


But I still think my video game logic is correct. :) And no, Sorc is not "fine" on her own since she relies on elements and there are immunities in Hell unless she goes for Meteor/Orb build which may work but still very difficult.

Versatility is good to have but if your team relies on that, it won't be good. :)


jib - quit while you're already way behind on this . . .
 
OP
OP
jibikao

jibikao

Registered User
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Posts
3,390
Reaction score
0
Or maybe...let me rephrase a little.

When I say "versatility", I mean a player who can do "well" on several things but is not a "specialist" of anything. It's ok to have one or two players on your team that are "versatile" but a successful team always has "specialists" because when different specialists get together, you get a specialized team rather than a sum of so-so players.

Just think of video games!!! lol :shocker:
 
OP
OP
jibikao

jibikao

Registered User
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Posts
3,390
Reaction score
0
Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
jib - quit while you're already way behind on this . . .

It's not that hard to understand... come on. Don't flame me so soon. lol

:D
 

coloradosun

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jun 3, 2004
Posts
1,393
Reaction score
0
jibikao said:
This is an off topic question.

I've been watching quite a few Heat's game and I really think Wade is great. Wade's slashing is so difficult to guard. Kidd is a good defender but Wade is way too quick and athletic for him to handle.

I haven't watched too many Lebron games except for the ones on ESPN. Lebron is great but I think I'll take Wade over Lebron at this moment. Flame me but I think Wade has better career than Lebron now.

Lebron generated so much hypes/expectation and yet they still fail to make it to the playoff this year. What a sad news. If I were the owner of Cavs, I'll fire everyone but Lebron. lol (While Melo makes to the playoff again....)

Wade will not surpass LeBron but he will end up being a much better pro than Melo. Denver bought the hype on Melo when the real diamond was Wade.
 

George O'Brien

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
10,297
Reaction score
0
Location
Sun City
MaoTosiFanClub said:
LeBron is only 20 years old and finished only his second season in the NBA (scary to think his competition was a bunch of 5'7 140 lb. slow white guys a mere two years ago) and is already one of the game's 10 best players. Give him some experience and a supporting cast that isn't a bunch of scrubs and the league's not going to know what hit them. I'd trade any player on the Suns for LeBron without thinking twice.
:eek:

LeBron is a great prospect and should become an outstanding player. Amare has the potential of becoming GREAT inside guy. The only inside guys who might be considered better are a lot older and more experienced:

Shaq O'Neal Born 3-6-1972 (13 seasons)
Tim Duncan 4-25-1976 (8 seasons)
Kevin Garnett 5-19-1976 (10 seasons)
Jermaine O'Neal 10-13-1978 (9 seasons)

Amare Stoudemire 11-16-1982 (3 seasons)

The value of having a great low post player cannot be overstated. Amare is not that far and should join the elite fairly soon.

For example, J O'Neal is a better defender than Stoudemire, but otherwise Amare has comparable or better stats.

Jermaine O'Neal
Indiana Pacers
Position: F-C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 242
High School : Eau Claire HS (SC)

2004-05 Statistics
PPG 24.3
RPG 8.8
APG 1.9
SPG .57
BPG 2.00
FG% .452
FT% .754
3P% .167
MPG 34.8

Amare Stoudemire
Phoenix Suns
Position: C
Height: 6-10 Weight: 245
High School : Cypress Creek (Orlando, FL) '02

2004-05 Statistics
PPG 26.0
RPG 8.9
APG 1.6
SPG .96
BPG 1.63
FG% .559
FT% .733
3P% .188
MPG 36.1
 

F-Dog

lurker
Joined
Aug 27, 2003
Posts
3,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Tucson
Wade is a great, great player--I like to think of him as a young Steve Francis, but smart. I still think LeBron is at another level.


Having help inside makes so much difference for a guard. Look at Kobe--he looked great last year, and (like Wade this year) he looked good even when Shaq wasn't on the court. The ability to pick and choose his spots and save energy on the court made him unstoppable. This year, Kobe didn't have that advantage, and he looked like a shell of his former self...really, though, all he showed that he couldn't regularly carry his team for entire games.

The same thing is true with LeBron. Early this year, he was killing teams along with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and getting MVP attention. In the second half of the season, Ilgauskas was hurt and ineffective, and the Cavs couldn't beat anybody and wound up missing the playoffs. :shrug:


Also, the Nets really suck. :p
 

Errntknght

Registered User
Joined
Sep 24, 2002
Posts
6,342
Reaction score
319
Location
Phoenix
James has the edge in talent but Dwayne Wade has a killer instinct and is just relentless. Of course, he has a much better group of players around him who do their jobs efficiently so he does have to try to do everything the way LaBron does.

It sort of like a comparison of Oscar Robertson - the best all-around player of all time - and Michael Jordan - the greatest basketball player of all time. (BTW, I'm not comparing the two youngsters to those two - just using the latter pair as prototypes.)
 

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
646,740
Posts
5,603,731
Members
6,355
Latest member
azgreg
Top