OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Russ Smith]

did kyler learn how to offense or did minny pucker up in prevent - cuz kyler had time there at the end when they weren't blitzing

Combination. They were not in prevent in fact they had 7 guys on the LOS on 2 or 3 plays in the first drive. They had sacks in both TD drives too but a big part of the difference to me was because we had more than 2 WR's out there we spread them out so Kyler wasn't constantly trying to force the ball into the middle of the field where it's congested and where the balls get batted down.

I'm a huge fan of 3TE offense but with a back like Conner, with a back like Benson you want to take advantage of his speed more. I think we'll see that in the future weeks with more time to tweak things.

ESPN is saying not only is Shaeed possibly available wiht the Saints, Olave might be too he's in the last year of his contract too.

But I don't think you trade for a guy like Olave without moving off Petzing too

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Combination. They were not in prevent in fact they had 7 guys on the LOS on 2 or 3 plays in the first drive. They had sacks in both TD drives too but a big part of the difference to me was because we had more than 2 WR's out there we spread them out so Kyler wasn't constantly trying to force the ball into the middle of the field where it's congested and where the balls get batted down.

I'm a huge fan of 3TE offense but with a back like Conner, with a back like Benson you want to take advantage of his speed more. I think we'll see that in the future weeks with more time to tweak things.

ESPN is saying not only is Shaeed possibly available wiht the Saints, Olave might be too he's in the last year of his contract too.

But I don't think you trade for a guy like Olave without moving off Petzing too

judging from how gannon sounded poopzing is definitely in the doghouse

 

[kerouac9]

Combination. They were not in prevent in fact they had 7 guys on the LOS on 2 or 3 plays in the first drive. They had sacks in both TD drives too but a big part of the difference to me was because we had more than 2 WR's out there we spread them out so Kyler wasn't constantly trying to force the ball into the middle of the field where it's congested and where the balls get batted down.

I'm a huge fan of 3TE offense but with a back like Conner, with a back like Benson you want to take advantage of his speed more. I think we'll see that in the future weeks with more time to tweak things.

ESPN is saying not only is Shaeed possibly available wiht the Saints, Olave might be too he's in the last year of his contract too.

But I don't think you trade for a guy like Olave without moving off Petzing too

Benching Benson was a big factor

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I’m not. I think EVERYTHING about this team is so beyond mid, it makes me want to puke.

But when that’s the case, you def can’t have your QB be mid. And that’s what he is, IMO He doesn’t inspire and he stopped taking risk unless totally desperate. Actual contenders need QBs who actually play all 4 quarters. Consistently.

Hmmm... I think that's pretty reasonable.

It's just a fact of life that whether it's all K1's fault or not, someone has to be held accountable for the lack of production in the passing game. The QB1 is the obvious choice.

As a thought experiment, sometimes I wonder if we plugged in, say, Dak Prescott, for Murray, would the passing numbers jump?

It's hard to say for certain, but man, that part of our offense is so anemic that it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't. Which is very, very troubling for us K1 superfans.

 

[Russ Smith]

judging from how gannon sounded poopzing is definitely in the doghouse

I didn't catch the comment during the game that Seattle knew our play calls if that's true that's a huge knock on Petzing.

We actually ran the ball ok, Kyler over 8 YPC, Benson 4.4 but they only had 13 runs between them because of the score. DeMercado did a nice job in pass receiving on the TD and Dortch helped spread the field in both of those drives.

Surprised Weaver played over Fehoko but he did contribute drawing a PI

 

[602 Native]

They should trade K1 to the Vikes and move on.

This offense might be the worst thing I have ever seen in pro football.

 

[Russ Smith]

Benching Benson was a big factor

Because they put multiple WR's in. Benson again was over 4 YPC, he's only had 1 game in his career he wasn't. He was in until the redzone in the first TD drive because we were at the 9 so we had our receiving back DeMercado in.

On the 2nd TD drive we were in the 2 minute offense so we had Emari in the whole drive.

Benson has to learn to turn it upfield after the catch he kept trying to juke and get outside but he wasn't the problem at all the problem is the safeties have no fear of us going over the top, as the announcers were saying all night long

 

[kerouac9]

Because they put multiple WR's in. Benson again was over 4 YPC, he's only had 1 game in his career he wasn't. He was in until the redzone in the first TD drive because we were at the 9 so we had our receiving back DeMercado in.

On the 2nd TD drive we were in the 2 minute offense so we had Emari in the whole drive.

Benson has to learn to turn it upfield after the catch he kept trying to juke and get outside but he wasn't the problem at all the problem is the safeties have no fear of us going over the top, as the announcers were saying all night long

Empty
Calorie rushes. I bet his success rate hovered around 50

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Dearest Mother,

I grow weary early into this long campaign. Defeat follows us like a shadow and I fear our leader, young Murray, is not fit to guide us into battle. His command is uncertain, his resolve weak and when the fighting turns grim, he pouts upon the sidelines like a spoiled child. Under his watch the losses mount and hope withers. Even Commander Gannon has begun to lose the confidence of the troops.

Your son,
Corporal Unseen

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Lmao amazing post

 

[Russ Smith]

Empty
Calorie rushes. I bet his success rate hovered around 50

we get it you hate Trey Benson.

He had 8 carries, it wasn't his fault we were not moving the ball but he did struggle in the pass game tonight.

He had 1 carry tonight you could call run on a pass down and they actually stuffed it.
He's played 16 games in the NFL where he got a carry, he's averaged at least 4 YPC in 15 of those games.

 

[kerouac9]

we get it you hate Trey Benson.

He had 8 carries, it wasn't his fault we were not moving the ball but he did struggle in the pass game tonight.

He had 1 carry tonight you could call run on a pass down and they actually stuffed it.
He's played 16 games in the NFL where he got a carry, he's averaged at least 4 YPC in 15 of those games.

Congrats. You must be very proud you identified a replacement level running back.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

They should trade K1 to the Vikes and move on.

This offense might be the worst thing I have ever seen in pro football.

This

One of the first things we agree on in this thread 602!

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Hmmm... I think that's pretty reasonable.

It's just a fact of life that whether it's all K1's fault or not, someone has to be held accountable for the lack of production in the passing game. The QB1 is the obvious choice.

As a thought experiment, sometimes I wonder if we plugged in, say, Dak Prescott, for Murray, would the passing numbers jump?

It's hard to say for certain, but man, that part of our offense is so anemic that it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't. Which is very, very troubling for us K1 superfans.

They would definitely bump up- dak knows he can’t escape the pocket and an offensive game plan centered around tight ends would be shot down several days before the game was even played

 

[Russ Smith]

Congrats. You must be very proud you identified a replacement level running back.

He's in the top 10 in the NFL in YPC. Most of the guys ahead of him have about 10 carries(RB's.)

He has to get better in the pass game he struggled in it last week too but again teams are completely ignoring us going downfield so when you dump the ball off to the RB, the safeties are right there. Conner actually has a worse Yard per catch number this year than Benson does, DeMercado has the best but he has only 2 catches this year.

On the first TD we had 2 TE's in, McBride and Higgins. On the last drive pretty sure we didn't have more than 1 on every play.

My guess is the injury to Conner will completely change Reiman's role this year. Unless we're ahead and running often we're going to play less 3 TE the rest of the year and it will be Higgins not Tip because he's a much better receiver

 

[Russ Smith]

This

One of the first things we agree on in this thread 602!

Do people not remember the year Rosen was the starter? Was one of the worst offensive teams in recent NFL history

 

[K1Day1]

Kyler Murray was BAD for 3 1/2 quarters. That's just a FACT ! ! !. Watching Murray’s post game and watching the game. It's obvious that Murray has NO faith in Petzing's offensive scheme and Petzing has NO faith in Murray.
The one thing Daniel Jones has shown this year so far, is that if a QB fits a system then things work well but, this ain't working. If the offensive coordinator doesn't trust the QB then it's time for a NEW QB.. Petzing's run first and pass 2nd hasn’t worked in the West Coast for a couple of decades ( SMH ) and it doesn't help that Murray chokes sometimes, the recievers choke sometimes and the Cardinals " After 30 years ( Except under Bruce Arians, ) haven't figured out that West coast offenses use the pass to open up the run and not the opposite. SMH.
In a time of Dome football and pass interference rules, Petzing's offensive is a JOKE ! ! ! in the era before domes, cold weather teams made a living on run first however, that system hasn't worked in the West since before Montana and it doesn't help that Murray has NO clue what's going on in this scheme ! ! !

 

[D-Dogg]

Kyler Murray was BAD for 3 1/2 quarters. That's just a FACT ! ! !. Watching Murray’s post game and watching the game. It's obvious that Murray has NO faith in Petzing's offensive scheme and Petzing has NO faith in Murray.
The one thing Daniel Jones has shown this year so far, is that if a QB fits a system then things work well but, this ain't working. If the offensive coordinator doesn't trust the QB then it's time for a NEW QB.. Petzing's run first and pass 2nd hasn’t worked in the West Coast for a couple of decades ( SMH ) and it doesn't help that Murray chokes sometimes, the recievers choke sometimes and the Cardinals " After 30 years ( Except under Bruce Arians, ) haven't figured out that West coast offenses use the pass to open up the run and not the opposite. SMH.
In a time of Dome football and pass interference rules, Petzing's offensive is a JOKE ! ! ! in the era before domes, cold weather teams made a living on run first however, that system hasn't worked in the West since before Montana and it doesn't help that Murray has NO clue what's going on in this scheme ! ! !

It's beyond time to replace the OC, and if it doesn't work, replace the QB too. But there is a lot more to why Drew sucks than he doesn't know how to use Kyler or run a WCO.

 

[K1Day1]

It's beyond time to replace the OC, and if it doesn't work, replace the QB too. But there is a lot more to why Drew sucks than he doesn't know how to use Kyler or run a WCO.

I will admit that I haven't seen every play of the Cardinals this year, but from the plays I have seen of this team on 3rd downs. Has anyone told Petzing that you are allowed to have 4 recievers on the field at the same time ( Even if they spread Mcbride wide to a slot ). Just from what I have seen. The Cardinals offensive room doesn't seem to understand that.

 

[daves]

As a thought experiment, sometimes I wonder if we plugged in, say, Dak Prescott, for Murray, would the passing numbers jump?

Dak continually pushes the ball downfield and throws into tight windows. He also steps up in the pocket and takes hits to complete passes on time. He's like the anti-Kyler in these regards. Swapping Murray for Prescott would make this team worlds better.

 

[daves]

Surprised Weaver played over Fehoko but he did contribute drawing a PI

Gannon said Fehoko had a concussion... not sure at what point in the game it happened.

 

[BritCard]

Hmmm... not sure what to make of this game.

My boy showed a little heart at the end tho

It was more of what we normally see.

Absolutely stinking checkdown football when the game is in the balance. Opens up and goes for it when getting spanked.

 

[D-Dogg]

It was more of what we normally see.

Absolutely stinking checkdown football when the game is in the balance. Opens up and goes for it when getting spanked.

Is that K1 or Mr Steal Your Girl Petzing?

 

[BritCard]

Year 7 and he’s now getting passed by Sam Darnold and other mediocre QBs

If you'd told me in 2020 that I'd be wishing we had Sam Darnold over Kyler Murray in 2025 I'd have called you mad, but here we are.

 

[BritCard]

As a thought experiment, sometimes I wonder if we plugged in, say, Dak Prescott, for Murray, would the passing numbers jump?

Yes, obviously, I've shown you film of guys open downfield regularly and Kyler choosing the checkdown. I don't know how this is even a question at this point.

 

[BritCard]

Is that K1 or Mr Steal Your Girl Petzing?

The calls are the same the whole game. The idea that Petzing is calling conservative plays early and only opening up later isn't evident on the film.