OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[oaken1]

People in retirement homes and the local elks club don’t count.

So your buddies at Kinder Care are the experts now?

 

[kerouac9]

He's not an NFL level QB.

He very obviously is

 

[Adrian]

3 key areas in which Kyler Murray excelled in Arizona Cardinals win over Carolina Panthers

Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon highlighted quarterback Kyler Murray as a key reason for his team's 2-0 start. It's easy to see why.

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[602 Native]

So your buddies at Kinder Care are the experts now?

It’s definitely not the geriatric's here that are so soft they are triggered by dogs, jerseys, and instagram.

 

[TJ]

I’m sure you were part of the Instagram mob as well.

Zero wrong with anything K1 is doing in that pic and more importantly K1 has a spotless image in the Phoenix community unlike the cornholio Bidwill.

No one’s saying that Kyler is a terrible human. We’re commenting on the short-sightedness of posing with his pit while wearing the jersey of a dog killer for the same reason that you wouldn’t wear a Ray Rice jersey to a DV shelter.

Kyler’s a seemingly good dude but has momentary lapses in judgement, both on and off the field.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

These are not "big time throws". They are other QB's normal throws. They just look big time for Kyler.

All of these throws were when we were up 17. All of us already said he played well when we were up big, he often does. Until he threw the INT. He's often the same way when were down big and the pressure is off and he can play screw it football.

But his butthole puckers when the pressure is on and when games are close. He's the one choosing to play it safe with 5 yard check downs. And that's when most football is played.

Those are throws he's been making is whole career Britcard. They are normal for him too!

The only thing interesting about your post is the idea that a game being close changes his performance, because his performance under pressure is a legitimate issue.

In regard to that, I'll offer, with the CAR game still in doubt, he completed a bunch of passes on the TD drive at the end of the half.

A bunch of those plays were checkdowns true, but can you argue with the results? He made the plays the team needed him to make to get the TD. What more do you want from him? Style points?

And even you agree the passing game was effective in Q3 on Sunday. Yet somehow your anti-K1 rhetoric is even more vociferous than after the NO game. Feels a bit like whistling past the graveyard if you ask me.

In any event, with the running game struggling, if we're to have any hope of winning this Sunday, we'll need the passing game to be very good/great vs. SF.

Perhaps on Sunday evening you might have the chance to shovel a bit of dirt on K1's grave. I guess we'll see.

 

[602 Native]

No one’s saying that Kyler is a terrible human. We’re commenting on the short-sightedness of posing with his pit while wearing the jersey of a dog killer for the same reason that you wouldn’t wear a Ray Rice jersey to a DV shelter.

Kyler’s a seemingly good dude but has momentary lapses in judgement, both on and off the field.

Really because just a page or two ago you had a poster wanting to do violence to a good human.

Spare me this innocent no one is saying he’s terrible crap. This is just another mark on this terrible fanbase.

 

[SECTION 11]

I showed that picture to my hound and all she said was, "I can take'em both"

My dog didn’t care either.

 

[BritCard]

He very obviously is

By status sure, not by ability.

Ok, he's playing games in the NFL, what I meant is that he's playing college football in the league. He can't do the things NFL QB's have to do, a lot of that is masked but his mobility and he has a good arm under 20 yards, so when the moons align and the defense allows he can flash high level play.

There's no doubt he has the physical talent to be great, he's just very bad at the mental stuff. Like, worst in the league bad.

 

[BritCard]

In regard to that, I'll offer, with the CAR game still in doubt, he completed a bunch of passes on the TD drive at the end of the half.

We were up 10 though, pressure was off and even they were short passes. The longest was 12 yards but even that was mostly YAC.

His best drive was the one after the half when up 17. It was a nice drive, then same again before the INT, then next drive he was 3 and out.

 

[urs]

By status sure, not by ability.

Ok, he's playing games in the NFL, what I meant is that he's playing college football in the league. He can't do the things NFL QB's have to do, a lot of that is masked but his mobility and he has a good arm under 20 yards, so when the moons align and the defense allows he can flash high level play.

There's no doubt he has the physical talent to be great, he's just very bad at the mental stuff. Like, worst in the league bad.

This is a next level of hatred...we're talking full on straight jacked insanity

 

[BritCard]

This is a next level of hatred...we're talking full on straight jacked insanity

He's literally the worst in the league at all the mental aspects of QB play. It's just a fact.

 

[BritCard]

This is really bad.

These target shares are all 10% below where they should be for WR's.

You either think it's ALL the WR's, or just Kyler.

Zay Jones walks in the house and says "FML".

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[kerouac9]

By status sure, not by ability.

Ok, he's playing games in the NFL, what I meant is that he's playing college football in the league. He can't do the things NFL QB's have to do, a lot of that is masked but his mobility and he has a good arm under 20 yards, so when the moons align and the defense allows he can flash high level play.

There's no doubt he has the physical talent to be great, he's just very bad at the mental stuff. Like, worst in the league bad.

I’m a Kyler skeptic but this isn’t true. He’s among the top 20 QBs in the NFL. You can’t just asset today that he’s, like, the same a Jacoby Brissett.

 

[DVontel]

This is really bad.

These target shares are all 10% below where they should be for WR's.

You either think it's ALL the WR's, or just Kyler.

Zay Jones walks in the house and says "FML".

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Zay Jones lucky he’s on a team after a domestic case.

 

[BritCard]

This is really bad.

These target shares are all 10% below where they should be for WR's.

You either think it's ALL the WR's, or just Kyler.

Zay Jones walks in the house and says "FML".

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For comparison this is another team with a high target share TE

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[BritCard]

I’m a Kyler skeptic but this isn’t true. He’s among the top 20 QBs in the NFL. You can’t just asset today that he’s, like, the same a Jacoby Brissett.

Yeah, as I said, his physical ability elevates him and the team is managing his limitations.

In terms of what teams want from an NFL QB, he's not got it.

 

[TJ]

I’m a Kyler skeptic but this isn’t true. He’s among the top 20 QBs in the NFL. You can’t just asset today that he’s, like, the same a Jacoby Brissett.

Which is still unacceptable.

 

[unseenaz]

Really because just a page or two ago you had a poster wanting to do violence to a good human.

Spare me this innocent no one is saying he’s terrible crap. This is just another mark on this terrible fanbase.

Wow! No one is forcing you to be here.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

will purdy or their backup play better than murray this weekend?

 

[DVontel]

will purdy or their backup play better than murray this weekend?

They can all they want to as long as we get the win.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

They can all they want to as long as we get the win.

touché

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, as I said, his physical ability elevates him and the team is managing his limitations.

In terms of what teams want from an NFL QB, he's not got it.

Nah. Kyler would get snapped up by a bunch of teams:

Miami
New York Jets
Cleveland
Colts
Raiders
Giants
Saints
Panthers

Plus the Cards. We may be in the situation where we have a league-average QB. Odds are even whoever would replace him would be as good or worse.

I totally understand wanting a different flavor of QB after this time.

 

[DVontel]

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[Cheesebeef]

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Smart. No reason not to just say “My bad” and move on. This country could use a hell of a lot more of that attitude.