Off season Blunders

[Sam Wise]

What do you consider the biggest screw up the cardinals made this off season?
For years the cradinals have been used by high market Free Agents as a ploy to up their standing with another team. They say yes I would love to come and play in the desert and join your young franchise, but behind closed door they and their agents are laughing. We have even benn balked at when we have made the highest bid for a FA and still they go and sign somewhere else.
Well this time we a guilty of such an act and it will likely haunt us for a few years.
Imagine a 3 time pro bowler who played on one of the best defenses the past. Was considered a top 15 player at their position by most experts. Is feared for his tackling ability and is one of the biggest players at his postion in the NFL, but he just turned 30. Oh wait also he wanted to come and play here, in fact Arizona was his top choice and he was not asking for a huge contract. Also he plays on of the weakest positions on your team. Would you sign him? Would you a least bring him in for a workout? Not if you are Rod Graves, you'd tell him to Pack sand and let him sign with a division rival.

Bobby taylor wanted to come and play for us and we told him his services were not needed. Apparently Rod Graves thinks our CB's are fine and since we didin't draft one, Duane Starks and David Macklin should be great at handling Robinson, Holt, Jackson(see last years home game), Horn, Galloway, Moulds, Moss, Toomer, Williams.

Good Job, if I ever hear another cardnials Coach or fornt office person whine about how they always get out bid I am going to kick them in the nuts!!!!!

 

[vince56]

troll

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What do you consider the biggest screw up the cardinals made this off season?
For years the cradinals have been used by high market Free Agents as a ploy to up their standing with another team. They say yes I would love to come and play in the desert and join your young franchise, but behind closed door they and their agents are laughing. We have even benn balked at when we have made the highest bid for a FA and still they go and sign somewhere else.
Well this time we a guilty of such an act and it will likely haunt us for a few years.
Imagine a 3 time pro bowler who played on one of the best defenses the past. Was considered a top 15 player at their position by most experts. Is feared for his tackling ability and is one of the biggest players at his postion in the NFL, but he just turned 30. Oh wait also he wanted to come and play here, in fact Arizona was his top choice and he was not asking for a huge contract. Also he plays on of the weakest positions on your team. Would you sign him? Would you a least bring him in for a workout? Not if you are Rod Graves, you'd tell him to Pack sand and let him sign with a division rival.

Bobby taylor wanted to come and play for us and we told him his services were not needed. Apparently Rod Graves thinks our CB's are fine and since we didin't draft one, Duane Starks and David Macklin should be great at handling Robinson, Holt, Jackson(see last years home game), Horn, Galloway, Moulds, Moss, Toomer, Williams.

Good Job, if I ever hear another cardnials Coach or fornt office person whine about how they always get out bid I am going to kick them in the nuts!!!!!

I don't remember reading anything about this in the press, or seeing anything on TV (ESPN, etc.). Can you please provide a link that supports your post?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

What do you consider the biggest screw up the cardinals made this off season?
For years the cradinals have been used by high market Free Agents as a ploy to up their standing with another team. They say yes I would love to come and play in the desert and join your young franchise, but behind closed door they and their agents are laughing. We have even benn balked at when we have made the highest bid for a FA and still they go and sign somewhere else.
Well this time we a guilty of such an act and it will likely haunt us for a few years.
Imagine a 3 time pro bowler who played on one of the best defenses the past. Was considered a top 15 player at their position by most experts. Is feared for his tackling ability and is one of the biggest players at his postion in the NFL, but he just turned 30. Oh wait also he wanted to come and play here, in fact Arizona was his top choice and he was not asking for a huge contract. Also he plays on of the weakest positions on your team. Would you sign him? Would you a least bring him in for a workout? Not if you are Rod Graves, you'd tell him to Pack sand and let him sign with a division rival.

Bobby taylor wanted to come and play for us and we told him his services were not needed. Apparently Rod Graves thinks our CB's are fine and since we didin't draft one, Duane Starks and David Macklin should be great at handling Robinson, Holt, Jackson(see last years home game), Horn, Galloway, Moulds, Moss, Toomer, Williams.

Good Job, if I ever hear another cardnials Coach or fornt office person whine about how they always get out bid I am going to kick them in the nuts!!!!!

You must have a pretty boring life.

 

[KingofCards]

We already have a Samwise around here and we can barely control him.

 

[az jam]

Ho Hum, Bobby Taylor was not a hot free agent that many teams wanted.
Most feel his best years are behind him.

 

[Sam Wise]

I was hoping to get some of your ideas on this topic.

Master: This was heavily discussed on local sports radio when the FA period started. There was no "Official" press release, but Kemp and Andeen were very adimant about the decision not to even consider him.

ASUCHRIS: What does time have to do with anything? I am a Cardinals fan, that in itself implies infinate patience and some other derrangements.

KingofCards: I am the original Sam Wise.

AZJam: Taylor is only 30 and considering who was out there only Springs was a better DB on the market. Do you think Macklin is the answer?

 

[Pariah]

Taylor is only 30 and considering who was out there only Springs was a better DB on the market. Do you think Macklin is the answer?

I would have liked to get Taylor here, but Macklin is a good pick-up. He doesn't have the name recognition, but he's a solid player.

As for Springs being better than Taylor and these two being the best available--you're wrong on both counts. Wasn't Woodson on the market for a short time before the Raiders resigned him? If not, Winfield was the best available (went to the Vikes) and Springs isn't nearly as effective as he once was and isn't aging very gracefully--he's going down hill faster than greased soapbox derby car made by some kid's engineer dad that exceeds all of the weight restrictions.

 

[Sam Wise]

I forgot about Winfield, that boy is a stud.

 

[RedStorm]

I think we need to see what talent we have now that we have a decent coach. Green will find out who the players are and who are not. This is year 1 of the 3 year plan. But, at least we have a coach who has an eye for talent.

 

[kerouac9]

I didn't want Bobby Taylor here when he was released. Too much money, and too old. There was a reason that the Eagles, with all their cap space, was letting him go.

This team--regardless of what Coach Green says--is not contending for a Divisional Title or a Wild Card this season. Giving Taylor a 4-year contract and eight-digit signing bonus would not make sense. He went to a contender where he can start for one season, and play the nickle for two more.

This worked out for both sides. Here, we'd be sinking more FA money into a corner (we already have Starks and his contract) that won't be around in three seasons. No thanks.

 

[Sam Wise]

Taylor inked a 4 year contract with Seattle for 11.3 mil and a 3 mil signing bonus. That's is peanuts for a starting CB in the NFL. We have a bunch of midgets at CB and they have to cover Holt, Robinson, Jackson, Galloway, Horn, Moulds, Chamber, Toomer and Moss. I wonder if we will set the record again for points given up by a defense. FYI the Eagles gave up on Taylor and Vincent to get Jevon Kearse and sign Owens to a huge deal.

 

[kerouac9]

Taylor inked a 4 year contract with Seattle for 11.3 mil and a 3 mil signing bonus. That's is peanuts for a starting CB in the NFL. We have a bunch of midgets at CB and they have to cover Holt, Robinson, Jackson, Galloway, Horn, Moulds, Chamber, Toomer and Moss. I wonder if we will set the record again for points given up by a defense. FYI the Eagles gave up on Taylor and Vincent to get Jevon Kearse and sign Owens to a huge deal.

Right, and we would have had to out-bid them, plus the "perrennial loser" surcharge (see Dexter Jackson and Duane Starks).

Taylor and Vincent are well past their prime. The lack of any real market for them should have illustrated that. Bobby Taylor played in seven games last season. He had one interception. Troy Vincent played in 13 games, but had his fewest amount of tackles since 1998. He had a career-worst 8 passes defensed. Don't go passing these guys off as Champ Bailey and Chris McAllister.

As far as I know, the Eagles are presently about $10 million under the cap. Are you sure that they didn't have room for either Vincent or Taylor if they wanted 'em? They gave them up because they weren't worth the money.

By the way, "shorty corners" like Winfield have been containing bigger WRs pretty well at times. Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain are both 5'11". Will Allen is 5'10". Ronde Barber is 5'10". Ty Law is 5'11". If the Cards manufacture a pass rush this season, our corners are going to look much, much better.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

ASUCHRIS: What does time have to do with anything? I am a Cardinals fan, that in itself implies infinate patience and some other derrangements.

Coming on here and ripping the team won't endear you to anyone. Your act is pretty similar to many trolls. Hopefully you'll have something meaningful to add.

 

[HeavyB3]

What I don't understand is why people like Nem and Vikesfan would waste their own time to come and bash the cardinals and make verbal love to Green. Surely they have something better to do?

 

[Sam Wise]

WOW blinders on, any fan worth there salt is critical of their team. I am a native and have been a cards fan since their arrival. The eagles hspent a 1st and second round draft pick 2 years ago on two young CB and want to see if they can handle the business. Taylor started seven games because he had a foot injury, not because of lack of ability. Taylor is better than any CB on our team right now, even at 30. Kerouac, are comparing Macklin and Starks to Winfield, that is a serious stretch. Last I checked Winfield signed with the Vikes, so he does us no good. Renaldo Hill is the only "Physical" corner. Heavy B don't compare me to NEM, I love the CARDS.

 

[Pariah]

Heavy B don't compare me to NEM, I love the CARDS.

How do you you who NEM is?

 

[Sam Wise]

I used to be on this board is 2002, but havne't posted in a while. Got lost or something. I have more posts, but I don't know if they reset ever.

 

[kerouac9]

WOW blinders on, any fan worth there salt is critical of their team. I am a native and have been a cards fan since their arrival. The eagles hspent a 1st and second round draft pick 2 years ago on two young CB and want to see if they can handle the business. Taylor started seven games because he had a foot injury, not because of lack of ability. Taylor is better than any CB on our team right now, even at 30. Kerouac, are comparing Macklin and Starks to Winfield, that is a serious stretch. Last I checked Winfield signed with the Vikes, so he does us no good. Renaldo Hill is the only "Physical" corner. Heavy B don't compare me to NEM, I love the CARDS.

You'll be hard-pressed to find a more clear-eyed Card fan than I, Sam (except when it comes to Levar Fisher, Bryant Johnson, or Adrian Wilson).

I'm telling you: Taylor and Vincent are old, used-up, has-beens. Neither are better than Duane Starks, and they're probably about the same as David Macklin. Both are stop-gap measures for teams that are either in the playoff hump and vying for a Super Bowl or teams that are on the edge of playoff contention. They're not shut-down corners in their prime, as you seem to think they are.

The most interesting FA cornerbacks for the Cards that I wanted to see brought in were Winfield and Mario Edwards. The Cards were just not in the market for a top-shelf cornerback. Get over it. I bet their wagering on an improved pass rush allowing the corners we have to excel.

The Cards can't just keep throwing money at the cornerback position. There's a limited amount of cap space. Should the Cards have drafted at least one corner somewhere in the 2004 Draft? Absolutely. Should they have thrown $5 mil in bonuses at the only-serviceable players that you mention, when they have a superior corner coming back in Duane Starks? No.

 

[maddogkf]

I used to be on this board is 2002, but havne't posted in a while. Got lost or something. I have more posts, but I don't know if they reset ever.

what was your name before?

 

[Sam Wise]

Kerouac, I disagree that Taylor is washed up at 30,. I do agree that Mario Edwards would have been an excellent signing, young , big and fast, kinda bites a bit though.

Maddog I have always been Sam Wise.

 

[Sam Wise]

Also, I am on a wait and see about Starks. If he rerturns to the player he was then great, but 28 isn't far from 30.

 

[maddogkf]

Kerouac, I disagree that Taylor is washed up at 30,. I do agree that Mario Edwards would have been an excellent signing, young , big and fast, kinda bites a bit though.

Maddog I have always been Sam Wise.

I see!

you've been around for a while - July 5th, 2002

 

[Sam Wise]

I never said Taylor was a shutdown CB, but I feel he is better than what we have and we may regret it vs. Seattle.

 

[BACH]

WOW blinders on, any fan worth there salt is critical of their team. I am a native and have been a cards fan since their arrival. The eagles hspent a 1st and second round draft pick 2 years ago on two young CB and want to see if they can handle the business. Taylor started seven games because he had a foot injury, not because of lack of ability. Taylor is better than any CB on our team right now, even at 30. Kerouac, are comparing Macklin and Starks to Winfield, that is a serious stretch. Last I checked Winfield signed with the Vikes, so he does us no good. Renaldo Hill is the only "Physical" corner. Heavy B don't compare me to NEM, I love the CARDS.

I don't understand your criticism.. Actually, I think your argumentation is pretty weak.

No doubt, that Taylor has played at a higher level than Macklin to this point, but there are two things going against Taylor:

1) Taylor is on downslope of his career and Macklin is just entering his prime.
2) The new coverage rules hurts Taylor's psysical style of play.

Buttom line... The "performance gap" between Taylor and Macklin has narrowed with the new rule and will continue to even out over the next couple of years.