My Complete First Round Mock Draft

Walter Mitchell · Apr 21, 2003

1. CIN-Palmer,QB

2. DET-Rogers,WR

3. HOU-Johnson,WR

4. CHI-Robertson,DT

5. DAL-Newman,CB

6. ARZ-Leftwich,QB

7. MIN-Kennedy,DT

8. JAX-Trufant,CB

9. CAR-Gross,T

10. BAL-Boller,QB

11. SEA-Williams,DT

12. STL-Henderson,LB

13. NYJ-Joseph,DT

14. NE-Sullivan,DT

15. SD-Steinbach,*

16. KC-Suggs,DE/OLB

17. NO-McDougle,DE

18. NO-Hunter,T

19. NE-McGahee,RB

20. DEN-Haynes,DE

21. CLE-Harris,T

22. NYJ-Bouldin,WR

23. BUF-Peterson,DE/DT

24. IND-Bailey,S/OLB

25. NYG-Warren,DT

26. SF-Long,DT

27. PIT-Polamalu,S

28. TEN-Washington,WR

29. GB-Grossman, QB

30. PHI-White,DE

31. OAK-Brayton,DE

32. OAK-Manuwai,*

Regarding Suggs: I think the sub-par workouts, combined with the question as to whether Suggs is a DE or OLB are the reasons why he drops to the middle of the first round. The problem is sometimes when players drop, teams that have different needs and already have their selection in mind, won't change their plans. Such is the case here...as all the teams drafting 7-15 have different priorities...check the team out. I think KC will grab him because Dick Vermeil is one of the few coaches who goes with his gut.

Mr. Boldin · Apr 21, 2003

Thats a huge drop for Suggs.... I dont think he will drop no more then 5 spots.. No way out of the top 10

mdsisquo · Apr 21, 2003

I doubt suggs falls past us. If he doesn, not way he falls past Jacksonville.

Mr. Boldin · Apr 21, 2003

I mean 5 spots from where most had him going.. #4 to the Bears..

SECTION 11 · Apr 21, 2003

I would love that draft. Especially since we'd have a shot at Faine at 37.

New England is set to have one of the best off-seasons in years. They've got what 13 picks this year AND two first rounders, plus the Colvin, Poole and Harrison signings...

Ed B · Apr 21, 2003

Walter, I love your posts, but Terrell Suggs is not going #16

Also, St Louis has been publically fawning over Boss Bailey. Pencil him in over EJ at #12.

Walter Mitchell · Apr 21, 2003

Eddie: Dick Vermeil may trade up to get him...but look at the teams that follow the Cardinals and look at what their needs are:

Is MIN going to bypass Kennedy for Suggs? No way. They need a two gap run stuffing DT. They rush Kennedy's name to the podium.

JAX just signed Hugh Douglas and even plans to kepp Tony Brackens. Trufant gets the nod over Suggs.

CAR has pass rushers and used their first pick last year to snag Julius Peppers. They need an OT in the worst way. Gross gets the nod.

BAL is a possibility (although DE/OLB isn't a weakness on that team), but they may be the ones to trade with Vermeil and still be able to tab Boller at #16.

SEA would be tempted, but they need a DT more and have been coveting Williams all along.

STL wants the best MLB in the draft and already have Little and Wistrom. They like Brian Young as a situational rusher as well.

NYJ Like Seattle DT is their top priority and they already have three excellent edge rushers in Abraham, Ellis and Thomas. They will be tempted to take Boss Bailey here, not Suggs, but will most likely select William Joseph figuring Herman Edwards can light a flame on his butt.

NE already signed Roosevelt Colvin as a tweener pass rusher. Sullivan is the DT they have wanted all along.

SD might hesitate, but with Marcellus Wiley and Raylee Johnson on the corners they are set. Steinbach gives Marty the run blocking guard he needs.

Every year a marquis player slips. This year it could be Suggs. Let's face it, the guy was a great college pass rusher, but he's got question marks as to what psoition he should play, can he play just as fast with added weight or does he need to play in the 240 range?...if so, can he be an every down 4-3 DE? If he's a situational pass rusher, does he warrant a top ten pick and top ten money?

TrentAZCards · Apr 21, 2003

It's just highly doubtful that if Suggs falls to #6, the Cardinals won't jump on that chance.

They aren't idiots, and would know that Suggs is an awesome pick. If the Cards choose otherwise...lets just say its going to be Brian Urlacher part II.

AZCB34 · Apr 21, 2003

Originally posted by Ed B
Also, St Louis has been publically fawning over Boss Bailey. Pencil him in over EJ at #12.

Ed, don't take this personally but how come you were ranting up and down for so long saying everything you hear leading up to the draft is BS but then in a couple threads recently you have said teams are talking about players and you accept that as some truth? I mean, you aren't the only one who has said this mind you, I just was able to get my hands on this post to ask.

I think there are truths and lies swirling around right now but I know people have said everything right now is lies.

Again, not attacking you but more curious than anything.

To lighten your mood before you reply, here is me trout slapping myself :trout:

Walter Mitchell · Apr 21, 2003

Trent: We fans are so desperate for a pass rusher that we are willing to overlook some rather glaring question marks...especially regarding Terrell Suggs. This draft lacks a dominant proto-typical DE, as evidenced by a tweener like Suggs heading this class' list, only to be followed by underachieving DEs like Jerome McDougle and Chris Kelsay. To me the best every down type DE in the draft is Michael Haynes, but he's only 6-2 or so.

Dwight Freeney is a freak of nature. He's Terrell Suggs with 4.4 speed. Because of Freeney's success, some people are quick to believe that Suggs and other smallish edge rushers can make an immediate impact in the NFL. If Suggs possessed Freeney's speed, OK. But, he doesn't.

Simeon Rice isn't smallish as the article on Suggs suggests. He's 6-5 and 270..and is faster than Suggs.

I think Suggs can be a good player in the NFL because of his high adrenaline and his good instincts. But, will he be a situational pass rusher for most of his career? At 245 pounds he will have a very hard time cutting it as an every down 4-3 DE. To take him in the top ten of the draft is a major risk...because the team that takes him will be paying him top ten money...and if all he becomes is a situational rusher, would he warrant top ten money?

Cardinals.Ken · Apr 21, 2003

Originally posted by TrentAZCards
It's just highly doubtful that if Suggs falls to #6, the Cardinals won't jump on that chance.

They aren't idiots, and would know that Suggs is an awesome pick. If the Cards choose otherwise...lets just say its going to be Brian Urlacher part II.

Trent=voice of reason

RedStorm · Apr 21, 2003

Draft Leftwich at #6.....tempting...but

nope...

We go DT and DE with our first two picks. Then WR in the Third.

so it has been spoken...so let it be done....

(I watch the Ten Commandments last night)

Ed B · Apr 21, 2003

Originally posted by AZCB34
Ed, don't take this personally but how come you were ranting up and down for so long saying everything you hear leading up to the draft is BS but then in a couple threads recently you have said teams are talking about players and you accept that as some truth? I mean, you aren't the only one who has said this mind you, I just was able to get my hands on this post to ask.

I think there are truths and lies swirling around right now but I know people have said everything right now is lies.

Again, not attacking you but more curious than anything.

To lighten your mood before you reply, here is me trout slapping myself

It's a good point. I did, however, read somewhere that St Louis sent 11 guys to Bailey's private workout and Robert Thomas was quoted as saying that he has been asked to move to the middle. So I said that based on a little more than just a coach saying "Oh we love this guy", but you're right, it could still all be BS.

Northern Card · Apr 21, 2003

1. CIN-Palmer,QB

2. DET-Rogers,WR

3. HOU-Johnson,WR

4. CHI-Robertson,DT

5. DAL-Leftwich, QB

6. ARZ-Suggs, DE

I think DALLAS is going to surprise....

Krangodnzr · Apr 21, 2003

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
Trent: We fans are so desperate for a pass rusher that we are willing to overlook some rather glaring question marks...especially regarding Terrell Suggs. This draft lacks a dominant proto-typical DE, as evidenced by a tweener like Suggs heading this class' list, only to be followed by underachieving DEs like Jerome McDougle and Chris Kelsay. To me the best every down type DE in the draft is Michael Haynes, but he's only 6-2 or so.

Dwight Freeney is a freak of nature. He's Terrell Suggs with 4.4 speed. Because of Freeney's success, some people are quick to believe that Suggs and other smallish edge rushers can make an immediate impact in the NFL. If Suggs possessed Freeney's speed, OK. But, he doesn't.

Simeon Rice isn't smallish as the article on Suggs suggests. He's 6-5 and 270..and is faster than Suggs.

I think Suggs can be a good player in the NFL because of his high adrenaline and his good instincts. But, will he be a situational pass rusher for most of his career? At 245 pounds he will have a very hard time cutting it as an every down 4-3 DE. To take him in the top ten of the draft is a major risk...because the team that takes him will be paying him top ten money...and if all he becomes is a situational rusher, would he warrant top ten money?

But Dwight Freeney doesn't have the assortment of pass rush moves, and I seriously doubt that he ever ran a 4.3 or a 4.4. Ed B already gave his rant on that and his points were very good.

Suggs plays much faster than a 4.8. Anyone can tell that, it doesn't take any real insight to figure that out.

Shane · Apr 22, 2003

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
Simeon Rice isn't smallish as the article on Suggs suggests. He's 6-5 and 270..and is faster than Suggs.

Yea maybe 270 with full pads and soaking wet!

He is not that big although bigger than he he has been Rice is very skinny and small overall!

JeffGollin · Apr 22, 2003

Walter, I love your posts, but Terrell Suggs is not going #16
I like it so much I think you should send it to the Cincy, Detroit, Houston, Chicago and Dallas front offices (heh heh).

HoodieBets · Apr 22, 2003

According to walter then why dont we just trade down. We can pick up some extra picks maybe a WR and still get suggs. That sounds great to me. That is of course if walter is right.

JeffGollin · Apr 22, 2003

We can pick up some extra picks maybe a WR and still get suggs.
Operative word is "can." More appropriate word is "may." If the Cards truly want Suggs, would they take that risk?

Regarding the possibility of Suggs slipping to #16. When you listen to "former generals" (i.e. national media guys who are more football men than pretty voices - guys like Gil Brandt and Mike Golic) they're all saying "Don't worry about the slow forty-times, Suggs (a former RB incidently) is the real deal."

Following the "all it takes for one GM to love him" rule, I seriously doubt Suggs will drop to #16. In fact Brandt cautions that he might not still be there at #6.

Ed B · Apr 22, 2003

Originally posted by Shane H
Yea maybe 270 with full pads and soaking wet!

He is not that big although bigger than he he has been Rice is very skinny and small overall!

Yes, I don't want to get in a speculative and esoteric debate about weight, but Simeon Rice is simply not 270 pounds.

HoodieBets · Apr 22, 2003

Originally posted by JeffGollin
We can pick up some extra picks maybe a WR and still get suggs.
Operative word is "can." More appropriate word is "may." If the Cards truly want Suggs, would they take that risk?

Regarding the possibility of Suggs slipping to #16. When you listen to "former generals" (i.e. national media guys who are more football men than pretty voices - guys like Gil Brandt and Mike Golic) they're all saying "Don't worry about the slow forty-times, Suggs (a former RB incidently) is the real deal."

Following the "all it takes for one GM to love him" rule, I seriously doubt Suggs will drop to #16. In fact Brandt cautions that he might not still be there at #6.

I agree with you jeff i was throwing in another possibility. Im gonna throw in another 1. Could a draft and trade situation happen involving suggs?

Tangodnzr · Apr 22, 2003

OK...Here's my version. I know a lot may say I'm crazy for having Leftwich so low. Baltimore could take him instead of Boller, but so far it seems Boller is the preferred one.
I'd love to see Calico drop to the second round and the Cards pick him.
I seems we agree on quite a few picks though.

1. CIN-Palmer,QB

2. DET-Rogers,WR

3. HOU-Johnson,WR

4. CHI-Suggs,DE

5. DAL-Newman,CB

6. ARZ-Kennedy,DT

7. MIN-Robertson,DT

8. JAX-Trufant,CB

9. CAR-Gross,T

10. BAL-Boller,QB

11. SEA-Williams,DT

12. STL-Henderson,LB

13. NYJ-Washington, WR

14. NE-Sullivan,DT

15. SD-Joseph,DT

16. KC-Woolfolk, CB

17. NO-Witten, TE

18. NO-Bailey, LB

19. NE-L. Johnson,RB

20. DEN-Harris, T

21. CLE-Foster,T

22. NYJ-B. Johnson,WR

23. BUF-HaynesDE

24. IND-Bailey,S/OLB

25. NYG-Warren,DT

26. SF-Long,DT

27. PIT-Leftwich,QB

28. TEN-Calico,WR

29. GB-Grossman, QB

30. PHI-Redding,DE

31. OAK-McDougle,DE

32. OAK-McGahee, RB

Tangodnzr · Apr 25, 2003

Updated, Fri. May 25

1. CIN-Palmer,QB

2. DET-Rogers,WR

3. HOU-Johnson,WR

4. NYJ-(from CHI)-Robertson,DT

5. DAL-Newman,CB

6. ARZ-Kennedy,DT

7. MIN-Suggs,DT

8. JAX-Trufant,CB

9. CAR-Gross,T

10. BAL-Boller,QB

11. SEA-Williams,DT

12. STL-Henderson,LB

13.CHI(fromNYJ)-Sullivan, DT

14. NE-Joseph,DT

15. SD-Woolfolk,CB

16. KC-B. Johnson,WR

17. NO-Witten, TE

18. NO-Bailey, LB

19. NE-L. Johnson,RB

20. DEN-Harris, T

21. CLE-Foster,T

22. CHI(fromNYJ)-Washington,WR

23. BUF-HaynesDE

24. IND-Bailey,S/OLB

25. NYG-Warren,DT

26. SF-Long,DT

27. PIT-Leftwich,QB

28. TEN-Calico,WR

29. GB-Grossman, QB

30. PHI-Redding,DE

31. OAK-McDougle,DE

32. OAK-McGahee, RB

Northern Card · Apr 25, 2003

Here's my "kick at the can"...

1. CIN-Palmer,QB

2. DET-Rogers,WR

3. HOU-Johnson,WR

4. NYJ-(from CHI)-Robertson,DT

5. DAL-Newman,CB

6. ARZ-Suggs, DE

* or Jax (From Ari) LEFTWICH

7. MIN-Suggs,DT

8. Ari (from JAX)-Kennedy, DT

9. CAR-Gross,T

10. BAL-Boller,QB

11. SEA-Williams,DT

12. STL-Trufant, CB

13.CHI(fromNYJ)-Sullivan, DT

14. NE-Joseph,DT

15. SD-Henderson, LB

16. KC-Woolfork, CB

17. NO-Polamalu,S

18. NO-Bailey, LB

19. NE-McDougle, DE

20. DEN-Harris, T

21. CLE-Steinbach, OG

22. CHI(fromNYJ)-Jacobs, WR

23. BUF-Peterson, DT

24. IND-Doss, S

25. NYG-Warren, DT

26. SF-Haynes, DE

27. PIT-Grossman QB

28. TEN-Johnson, RB

29. GB-Kelsay, DE

30. PHI-Long, DT

31. OAK-Washington, WR

32. OAK-McGahee, RB

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