Kobe Victim

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
The girl's actions are consistent with those of a victim.

Not a media ***** (we don't know her name or even what she looks like).

A groupie (why would she claim he raped her if she was a groupie?)

And it's not like she has been proven to have done anything wrong, like Kobe has.

Love the new Avatar....

 

[Krangodnzr]

"she reportedly returned to the lobby “in hysterics”; "

How many women who have had consensual sex are hysterical?

 

[elindholm]

How many women who have had consensual sex are hysterical?

Is this a trick question?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SweetD
Love the new Avatar....

Thanx!

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
"she reportedly returned to the lobby “in hysterics”; "

How many women who have had consensual sex are hysterical?

All was happens with me, I can't be the only one right?.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by SweetD
Well when you post someones name address phone number, email address and pics you are asking if you have a problem let her know. You actualy can condone what they are doing arhurracoon??? Your taking this protect Kobe thing alitle to far.

I've been defending Kobe from the beginning, I still maintain that he is innocent, but I really think that this is going too far. Posting her personal info on the net is a terrible thing to do.

She will get what she deserves in court. (As will Bryant.)

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by SirStefan32

She will get what she deserves in court. (As will Bryant.)

If she's found to be telling the truth--I hope she gets what she deserves. Sympathy from people like you.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by Chaplin


That is it. We know nothing else about this case. What you, Freddie, and Stefan are basing your entire arguements on is Kobe's reputation with the media. Because that is basically what it is.

Chap, I have said that I am speculating. Neither you nor I, nor anybody else knows what really happened.

I believe that Kobe is innocent, some people here have already convicted him. To me, Kobe Brynt has more credibility than his acuser. Sure, he cheated on his wife, but he is a psychologically stable person. His acuser isn't.

Also, I am not sure why the DA waited two weeks to charge Bryant. If there was any hard, unequivocal evidence, he would have charged him sooner.

Again, we don't know what happened, but I believe that Kobe Bryant is innocent.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by Chaplin
If she's found to be telling the truth--I hope she gets what she deserves. Sympathy from people like you.

Absolutely! If she is telling the truth, she will get sympathy from me, and everybody here is going to get a public apology from me.

 

[SUTTILL]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
I believe that Kobe is innocent, some people here have already convicted him.

Why do you believe he is innocent, you haven't heard all the evidence yet? No one has convicted him. But the DA has concluded that there is sufficent evidence to prosecute.

Originally posted by SirStefan32
To me, Kobe Brynt has more credibility than his acuser. Sure, he cheated on his wife, but he is a psychologically stable person. His acuser isn't.

Why does he have more crediibility in your opinion? Do you know him? Do you know whether he tells the truth? Do you know her? I don't think so. We do know that he has (1) taken a solemn vow to his wife; (2) broken that vow; (3) engaged in "cheating" on his wife, dishonestly and behind her back; and (4) bragged about how everything would soon be cleared up several days prior to being charged. I don't know Kobe or the victim, but as between the two of them Kobe has already shown he's dishonest.

As for psychological stability, that is only relevant if it bears on her credibility, ie. is she just making this up. The most stable people in the world are capable of forcing others to have sex.

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Also, I am not sure why the DA waited two weeks to charge Bryant. If there was any hard, unequivocal evidence, he would have charged him sooner.

Its pretty clear from the news reports that the DA wanted to make absolutely sure that he had a sound case against Kobe. There was also physical evidence that had to go to the crime lab to be analyzed.

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Again, we don't know what happened, but I believe that Kobe Bryant is innocent.

We do know a lot of what happened: Kobe had sex with a 19 year old. What we don't know yet is whether it was consensual. She is obviously saying it was forced upon her. Kobe is taking the equally obvious legal position that it was consensual. The Court will have to sort it out.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by SirStefan32


Also, I am not sure why the DA waited two weeks to charge Bryant. If there was any hard, unequivocal evidence, he would have charged him sooner.

Here is an interesting spin on why the DA waited I though of a couple days ago.

What if the DA was waiting for tests not to give him a reason to file charges, but to give him a reason not to?

This is a no win situation for the DA. If he goes to court, he will face an overpowering defense team, and in all likelyhood loose......with the chance of botching the case and looking like a fool. If he doesn't file charges, he will be protested against in his own county because he is merely aiding a star at the expense of a citizen.

So maybe he was waiting to see if there was a reason why he could just avoid this entire mess. Maybe he was waiting to see if Kobe actually did sleep with her (Kobe publically admitted to it after charges were filed)?

Just an interesting thought

 

[Freddie]

More fuel for the fire.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/942322.asp?0cv=CB20

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Freddie
More fuel for the fire.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/942322.asp?0cv=CB20

Why do you go to both treads and post the same thing? I thought you were done until the trial ended?? O-Well

 

[Freddie]

I am not arguing, am I? I am just providing a link.

 

[SweetD]

If you like to read a non-onesided article check this one out.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local...-vpmcc0721,0,387.column?coll=ny-ny-columnists

 

[arthurracoon]

You know what is funny(somewhat) about this case...

DA: Kobe is charged with sexual assult.

ASFN Members: Oh My God!!!

Kobe: I have comitted the sin of adultry

ASFN Members who support Kobe: Oh, that is all. Kobe is a good man. He only comitted adultry. What's so bad about that? That's ok. He just made a little mistake. As long as he is not guilty of the assult part.

 

[PhiLLmattiC]

Anyone interested in buying some Free Kobe T Shirts from me. How do you post a picture?

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by PhiLLmattiC
Anyone interested in buying some Free Kobe T Shirts from me. How do you post a picture?

First Go to Lakers Message Board and cut and past your picks.

 

[Evil Ash]

...And as we now continue to prove how f---ed up society is when it comes to these celebrity involved trials, ESPN now reports that both the prosecutor and the victim are now getting death threats!

Pathetic....absolutely pathetic!

 

[JJ Slim]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Here is an interesting spin on why the DA waited I though of a couple days ago.

What if the DA was waiting for tests not to give him a reason to file charges, but to give him a reason not to?

This is a no win situation for the DA. If he goes to court, he will face an overpowering defense team, and in all likelyhood loose......with the chance of botching the case and looking like a fool. If he doesn't file charges, he will be protested against in his own county because he is merely aiding a star at the expense of a citizen.

So maybe he was waiting to see if there was a reason why he could just avoid this entire mess. Maybe he was waiting to see if Kobe actually did sleep with her (Kobe publically admitted to it after charges were filed)?

Just an interesting thought

That's not a spin, that's good legal work. Not only do you have to try to prove guilt but you have to try to prove innocence too. He has to know if the defense is going to prove him wrong by trying to prove himself wrong. And you're right he was probably hoping that he could find a problem so he wouldn't have to deal with this. There is nothing wrong with taking the time to be thorough to help eliminate any gotchas. And I don't think there is one of us here who have ever done forensic police work and we don't know what is involved or how long it takes. Sure we would have liked for the DA to have issued the charges sooner but when he didn't all we had to do was just flip the channel.

As I said he was probably hoping to get out of this. If the prosecutor should lose this, his career could likely be over. Do you seriously think he is going to jeapordize his family's livelyhood for 15 minutes of fame?

Finally, the strongest evidence we have of Kobe's innocence or guilt is the fact that he has indeed been charged with felony sexual assault. That's magnitudes stronger than some bleach-blonde friend of a victim saying she supposedly overdosed on something or other. As far as I know the accuser has been charged with nothing.

 

[capologist]

Originally posted by Card Trader
This should be something that doesn't have a number like 50% attached to it...it should be almost ALWAYS the truth.

It probably is.

The Kanin report is all over the web. It is mostly cited on "men's rights" web sites, exhibiting a tendency toward misogynism. It seems to be the only researched commonly cited in support of the contention that rape allegations are frequently false.

Note that Kanin's research is based entirely on the reports of the police in one small unidentified Midwestern community in the late 70's and early 80's. If this is the strongest support for the case, that says something about the strength of the case.

Different studies have reported varying results all over the map. Kanin's report is, not surprisingly, at one end of the spectrum. By contrast, a study in the Portland area reported that only 1.6% of rape allegations were false. (Of course, the presence of the Trailblazers may skew that percentage.) The FBI estimates that, nationally, the percentage is about 2-3%.

Even if these statistics were reliable, they would have little implication for the Kobe Bryant case. Rape allegations against such high-profile celebrities are far too rare to generate any kind of meaningful statistics. It would be unreasonable to assume that the rate of false reports in such cases is necessarily the same as the rate of false reports in allegations against non-celebrities.

 

[Dback Jon]

Thank you cap for the info - makes those who are bandying about the 40-50% false rape numbers look silly.

 

[Joe Mama]

The girl in those pictures has hired a lawyer because she is not the alleged victim in the Kobe Bryant case. She has the same first name as that girl, but she was on the dance squad instead of the cheerleading team.

I read something about this on one of the Los Angeles Lakers forums the other day. They actually have a picture of the "real girl". She honestly looked very young. Of course it might have been an old picture.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2132193,00.html

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

From the end of that article:

Also on Wednesday, Reuters reported that a Los Angeles talk-show host is broadcasting the name of the alleged victim. Tom Leykis, host of a radio show aimed at a young male audience, said he has no plans to stop using her name because it's unfair to name Bryant but not his accuser.

"We're told that rape is violence, not sex, and if that's true, there's no reason she should feel shame or embarrassment," Leykis told Reuters.

Some talk show hosts will say absolutely anything in order to justify their exploitative schlock. I'd really like to see what would happen if Leykis were anally raped. Would he feel no shame or embarrassment? If he were victimized that way, I'd offer to publicize his name. I wonder how he'd feel about that?

 

[Freddie]

Originally posted by elindholm
From the end of that article:

Also on Wednesday, Reuters reported that a Los Angeles talk-show host is broadcasting the name of the alleged victim. Tom Leykis, host of a radio show aimed at a young male audience, said he has no plans to stop using her name because it's unfair to name Bryant but not his accuser.

"We're told that rape is violence, not sex, and if that's true, there's no reason she should feel shame or embarrassment," Leykis told Reuters.

Some talk show hosts will say absolutely anything in order to justify their exploitative schlock. I'd really like to see what would happen if Leykis were anally raped. Would he feel no shame or embarrassment? If he were victimized that way, I'd offer to publicize his name. I wonder how he'd feel about that?

I think he's doing it for publicity and to draw in more listeners.