Karlos Dansby Update... Holy Hell

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Its because he found a treatment that was helping him and thats why he was feeling a lot better. He'll still probably be unable to play the first few weeks of the season but it looks like he'll play this year (if I'm reading the article correctly)

It would be a possibly career ending injury if he continued to play on it and not treat it

It's probably that machine that Edge introduced the Cards medical staff to. I read about it last week, blanking on where. It's sort of like electrical stim but different, apparently (surprise) many NFL players have been using it for a couple of years but Edge was the one that first introduced it to the cards. Players say they pay several thousand each for "rental fees" to use it, and they just love it.
 

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<<From CBSSportsline.com- LB Karlos Dansby- Thumb, Toe - Questionable for Aug. 25 preseason game at Chicago (Updated - 8/20/06) >>

I would think if the injury is as bad as some are thinking it might be he would be listed as "out". Granted he won't be playing but here is a few things we know for sure:

1. He has had several opinions and the consensus is no surgery is needed.

2. The Cardinals have been pretty upfront with the media that they want him back on the field- sooner then later. One can only assume the Doctors are telling them he is close to being ready.

3. *Theory*- Dansby tells the AZ Republic today the worst case scenario in hopes to buy himself a little more time (and some patience) from the team and the fans.

4. However Dansby ends that same article by saying he feels a lot better and he's confident he will be fine (basically what the Dennis Green & Co. already know) and what Foxsports even comments on at the end of their blog.

The reality is Karlos Dansby today is feeling a lot better then he has had in the past few months and for that I am happy and await his return to the field. My guess- next week.

Go Cards/ America!
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Easy now everyone. He is a great player and a catalyst for our D no doubt. However, one man doesn't make a team( he said wondering if this will be an exception) and he isn't out of the picture until if and when he goes on IR which hopefully will be never.
 

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Oh man i'm really disapointed I really really liked Dansby this is really a shame we can never go a few year without a major injury to one of our best players, well hope it doesnt turn out to be a carrer ending injury and he can come back next year :( DAMN
 

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AzWins23 said:
Do you guys read the other posts?? He's going to be fine!!

Nobody knows if he's going to be fine - not even Karlos... He clearly is suffering from a very severe and debilitating problem. It will take a tremendous amount of luck and help from the big guy up above, to get him to the "just fine" stage...
This could be catastrophic to our team. Karlos is a natural born playmaker. Our linebacker situation is pitiful... And don't give the Pace story as I have yet to see that guy even come close to performing his coverage duties...
Wow is this team cursed...
 

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AzWins23 said:
Do you guys read the other posts?? He's going to be fine!!

If he played for anyone but the Cardinals I might be more inclined to believe you are right.

The item in the article that most concerned me is Berry being out. I just hope that for some unknown reason it doesn't extend into the regular season.
 

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If he has had this for 2+ years, why hadnt the Cards medical staff found this in the 2 pre training camp physicals and 2 post season physicals, and other medical reports from the various other medical problems they have treated him for. I bet blood letting is one of their best treatments to. Honestly this med staff sort of stinks.

Not knowing this condition and if I take Dansby's statement at face value, even though I think the whole career ending thing is an exaggeration of some sort, I will have to lower my stance on him for now.
 

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joeshmo said:
If he has had this for 2+ years, why hadnt the Cards medical staff found this in the 2 pre training camp physicals and 2 post season physicals, and other medical reports from the various other medical problems they have treated him for. I bet blood letting is one of their best treatments to. Honestly this med staff sort of stinks.

Not knowing this condition and if I take Dansby's statement at face value, even though I think the whole career ending thing is an exaggeration of some sort, I will have to lower my stance on him for now.


Good point. Makes no sense at all.
 

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Am I the only one who finds it odd that a "career ending type injury" doesnt need surgery. Especially one he says he had for 2+ years. I really want to know what this condition is called so we can learn more about it, more about time tables, more about rehab options, and so on.
 

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I can't believe this happened to us, man what arte we going to do..... this is getting old, the gods are againt us.......

READ the thread, he plans on being back!
 

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Duetto said:
READ the thread, he plans on being back!

Christopher Reeves planned on walking again..... what's your point?
 

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joeshmo said:
If he has had this for 2+ years, why hadnt the Cards medical staff found this in the 2 pre training camp physicals and 2 post season physicals, and other medical reports from the various other medical problems they have treated him for. I bet blood letting is one of their best treatments to. Honestly this med staff sort of stinks.

Not knowing this condition and if I take Dansby's statement at face value, even though I think the whole career ending thing is an exaggeration of some sort, I will have to lower my stance on him for now.

Same thing happened with Thomas Jones and his chest injury. Fans were all over him about that, as well.
 

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joeshmo said:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that a "career ending type injury" doesnt need surgery. Especially one he says he had for 2+ years. I really want to know what this condition is called so we can learn more about it, more about time tables, more about rehab options, and so on.

Nope... I'm right there with you shmo. Sure Karlos has some injuries, but I am offically convinced that this guy has more problems with his head than he does with his thumb or his groin or his toe...
 

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This entire situation is weak sauce. If it turns out that Karlos is being a "pink taco" about this and makes a comeback in a few weeks I will lose all respect for him.
 

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A toe injury pretty much ended Jack Lambert's career. I don't think anybody questions his toughness.Also, someone posted about how could the Cards medical staff miss it. In the past, alot of players haven't had too much respect for the Cards staff and that's why they go to outside doctors for opinions.Wadsworth and Swann come to mind imediately. Remember the doctor's are paid employees of the Cards are are likley to lean their way in matters.
 

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O.J.McDuffie was a pretty good receiver for the Dolphins in the 90's. He had the same injury. The team continually " shot up his toe " with cortisone and who knows what else. He played for 2 years on that toe, and cpmpletely tore it up in the process. It ended his career. He sued the Dolphins staff and won a decent settlement.

Lawyers for former Dolphins wide receiver O.J. McDuffie filed a complaint in Miami-Dade County Circuit Court on Friday accusing former and current team physicians of malpractice and gross negligence in the treatment of McDuffie's 1999 left big toe injury.

Herman Russomanno, the lead attorney for McDuffie, said he expects to ask for a ''multimillion dollar'' settlement in the case based on what he says was a ``betrayal of trust.''

The suit could eventually include other current and former members of the Dolphins staff, such as former coach Jimmy Johnson.


''O.J. had a relationship with the team physicians and believed that they were giving him the best information,'' said Russomanno, a past president of the Florida Bar Association whose expertise is malpractice. ``He was lulled into a false sense of security.

``O.J. is smart enough that if they had leveled with him and told him the full extent of what was wrong, he said he would have made the choice to not play and heal properly.''

Former Dolphins team physician Dr. John Uribe, current team physician Dr. Dan Kanell and radiologist Dr. Michael Thorpe were named as defendants in the suit. In addition, HealthSouth Doctors' Hospital in Coral Gables, where Uribe and Thorpe work, and Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale, where Kanell works, were named.

The defendants have 20 days to formally respond to the suit once they are notified. Uribe was unavailable for comment. Kanell and Thorpe declined to comment.

Russomanno, who is working with attorneys Howard Weinberg and Robert Fiore, said Uribe is the ''main doctor'' in the suit. The complaint said Uribe cleared McDuffie to play and injected McDuffie multiple times with anesthetic substances, such as cortisone, to dull the pain of an injury he suffered Nov. 21, 1999, against New England.

McDuffie suffered muscle and tendon injuries to the toe. One of the claims in the complaint is that McDuffie was told by Uribe that he would have a ''complete recovery'' and would ''heal without incident.'' That claim is based on written reports by Dolphins trainer Kevin O'Neill in December 1999, after McDuffie had a second magnetic resonance imaging exam on the toe.

According to Russomanno, Uribe said those things despite the fact McDuffie was not advised to see a foot specialist until after the season.

Since the end of the 1999 season, McDuffie has undergone three surgeries on the toe. However, he said in March he still suffers pain and would be unable to participate in the offseason conditioning program if he were still with the team.

The Dolphins cut McDuffie on Feb. 28 after the team and his attorneys failed to reach agreement on language regarding the status of his injury.

McDuffie did not play last season and was limited to nine games and 14 catches in 2000. In 1998, he set a team record with 90 receptions -- a figure that also led the NFL. He finished his career with 415 receptions -- fourth on the Dolphins' all-time list.

Weinberg said McDuffie, 32, would still be playing if not for the negligence.

''After an exhaustive investigation, I am absolutely convinced that if not for the gross negligence and malpractice by the professionals that O.J. trusted, Dolphins fans would have been treated to the thrills of the league's best receiving tandem, [Chris] Chambers and McDuffie,'' Weinberg said.

from the Miami Herald (http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/sports/football/nfl/miami_dolphins/3425638.htm)
 

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kerouac9 said:
Same thing happened with Thomas Jones and his chest injury. Fans were all over him about that, as well.

Very true, doctors and trainers, especially ones on paid by a team and not the individual are could be suspect of a possible bias. That's scary. Thomas Jones was able to finally get the treatment he needed and has turned into a productive 'back.

As far as Karlos' injury, if he can play that's great, if not then I feel worse for him than I do for the team. He can no longer play the game that he'd invested so much of his time and body into.

Add to the fact that he was about to hit a payday that would (if properly used) could have set him and his family up for life.

That's got to be a frightening gorge to have to stare down.
 

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wallyburger said:
O.J.McDuffie was a pretty good receiver for the Dolphins in the 90's. He had the same injury. The team continually " shot up his toe " with cortisone and who knows what else. He played for 2 years on that toe, and cpmpletely tore it up in the process. It ended his career. He sued the Dolphins staff and won a decent settlement.

That's a nasty piece of information. I would hope that someone in the medical field would simply do the right thing but I suppose it's subjective.
 
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