Josh Jackson

[Praxis]

Why is he playing limited minutes if he is part of our future? It's game 11 and Dudley got more playing time and was on the court for the last five minutes of a tight game against the Nets. The fact that we are losing to the Nets at home shows we are not a good team, so why not put Jackson out there in crunch time?

I'm ready to call Bender, Chriss, and Len busts, but is Jackson in that camp? Should we have drafted someone else? Moved down? Fox, Markkanen, Tatum, John Collins, Smith Jr., and even Kuzma look better so far. Of course, it's early and he has shown flashes, but it looks like the rebuild might take a lot longer than anticipated. The only piece we all feel confident about is Booker and maybe Warren to a lesser extent. We really need to draft someone who will have an immediate impact in 2018.

 

[Finito]

Because he's not better than TJ Warren and he's very raw still. Jackson wasn't a finished product coming out he was drafted on upside.

And your really gonna call Bender and Chriss bust? Wow ok.

This is 2017 these guys don't have immediate impact anymore. He's actually playing better than a lot of other high profile rookies.

 

[hsandhu]

Because he's not better than TJ Warren and he's very raw still. Jackson wasn't a finished product coming out he was drafted on upside.

And your really gonna call Bender and Chriss bust? Wow ok.

This is 2017 these guys don't have immediate impact anymore. He's actually playing better than a lot of other high profile rookies.

Didnt you get it, 11 games is enough to say you are a bust. Its laughable, and that mentality is why people in nba front offices have contempt for a lot of the fans' opinions.

The same thing is going on with fultz and ball, their are genius fans already calling them busts.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Honestly, i agree with the poster. I also see how 11 games in is crazy to make any definitive judgement. But the early indications are not good. You dont expect a polished player as a rookie but you expect flashes. Dbook showed flashes, TJ showed flashes.

The thing that is worrisome to me about Jackson is his basketball awareness just doesnt seem great. He gets blocked apl the time, makes decisions on offense far before the defense shows and his hitch in his jumper will keep him from getting off contested mid range jump shots.

As for Bender, he lacks the mindset and confidence which you cant teach. You can throw him in the pile with the 1000 other european shooters people have been trying to develop since Dirk.

Not saying either wont be good players but the early indications and types of flaws in their games offensicely are not good.

Chriss offensive game i think will develop, hes got the tools, i just cant stand his lack of rebounding for his size and athleticism. He is 6'10, jumps out the gym and can finish a 30 min game with 3 rebounds. Im 5'8 and i guarentee 2 rebs would drop to me if i played 30 mins.

 

[Chaplin]

Jackson has shown more flashes than TJ did in his first 11 games. Come on.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Honestly, i agree with the poster. I also see how 11 games in is crazy to make any definitive judgement. But the early indications are not good. You dont expect a polished player as a rookie but you expect flashes. Dbook showed flashes, TJ showed flashes.

The thing that is worrisome to me about Jackson is his basketball awareness just doesnt seem great. He gets blocked apl the time, makes decisions on offense far before the defense shows and his hitch in his jumper will keep him from getting off contested mid range jump shots.

As for Bender, he lacks the mindset and confidence which you cant teach. You can throw him in the pile with the 1000 other european shooters people have been trying to develop since Dirk.

Not saying either wont be good players but the early indications and types of flaws in their games offensicely are not good.

Chriss offensive game i think will develop, hes got the tools, i just cant stand his lack of rebounding for his size and athleticism. He is 6'10, jumps out the gym and can finish a 30 min game with 3 rebounds. Im 5'8 and i guarentee 2 rebs would drop to me if i played 30 mins.

I love that you have more confidence in chriss. Jj and bender have 1000x’s the basketball IQ than does chriss. But somehow chriss has a capable to develop while two other 20 year olds don’t. Wow.

 

[overseascardfan]

FWIW, Tatum is looking really promising for BOS. Of course he went before Jackson so it’s not like PHX missed on him.

 

[Praxis]

Didnt you get it, 11 games is enough to say you are a bust. Its laughable, and that mentality is why people in nba front offices have contempt for a lot of the fans' opinions.

The same thing is going on with fultz and ball, their are genius fans already calling them busts.

You think the FO has earned our trust and patience? We are going on eight years without making the playoffs. McDonough thought Jackson was possibly the best player in the draft, yet Dudley is getting more burn? It's clear we are going nowhere. Why not play our young players if they just need to be developed? Hard to evaluate them if they don't see the floor.

I'm not saying Jackson is a bust after 11 games. I do question the pick after a small sample size, given what other picks are showing so far. He is 21 in February, btw. Hard to use the "he's super young and raw" excuse. Bender has shown nothing, Chriss has the same problems and has regressed in some areas despite bulking out. Not sure where the optimism comes from, tbh.

 

[Praxis]

FWIW, Tatum is looking really promising for BOS. Of course he went before Jackson so it’s not like PHX missed on him.

Correct, he wasn't available for us at # 4, but Boston likely would have moved down one spot to take Jackson if we liked Tatum enough.

 

[Praxis]

Jackson has shown more flashes than TJ did in his first 11 games. Come on.

So why not play him and the rest of our youth? The jury is in on Dudley and Chandler. If we lose more games as a result, good!

 

[JCSunsfan]

So why not play him and the rest of our youth? The jury is in on Dudley and Chandler. If we lose more games as a result, good!

Because there is a process to teaching. You want players to earn it or they won't learn it. Also, ALWAYS losing is deflating to young player and then effort goes to pot. There is a balance. Its still ALL about developing the young players.

 

[Praxis]

Because there is a process to teaching. You want players to earn it or they won't learn it. Also, ALWAYS losing is deflating to young player and then effort goes to pot. There is a balance. Its still ALL about developing the young players.

You think sitting on the bench watching vets struggle against the Nets is less deflating?

 

[Chaplin]

So why not play him and the rest of our youth? The jury is in on Dudley and Chandler. If we lose more games as a result, good!

Because as of November 7, 2017, Warren is the better player.

 

[Praxis]

Because as of November 7, 2017, Warren is the better player.

They have different skills and could play together. No reason Jackson should be averaging less than 20 minutes, as he is currently.

 

[Chaplin]

They have different skills and could play together. No reason Jackson should be averaging less than 20 minutes, as he is currently.

Play together like they were doing when we were losing games by 40 points?

 

[Praxis]

Play together like they were doing when we were losing games by 40 points?

If our most talented players can't get it done, why would Dudley, Chandler, and Daniels be better options? We are a bad team with young players. It doesn't make sense to give the vets extended minutes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They have different skills and could play together. No reason Jackson should be averaging less than 20 minutes, as he is currently.

He is averaging 23 minutes a game. That is a decent number for a rookie, especially with a player like TJ Warren on the team. Jackson is NOT a pf. He is NOT a 2 guard.

 

[Praxis]

He is averaging 23 minutes a game. That is a decent number for a rookie, especially with a player like TJ Warren on the team. Jackson is NOT a pf. He is NOT a 2 guard.

But he can guard those positions and plays off the ball, hence the ability to play alongside James, Booker, Warren, and Len. He should be getting all the minutes he can handle as long as he is not in foul trouble.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But he can guard those positions and plays off the ball, hence the ability to play alongside James, Booker, Warren, and Len. He should be getting all the minutes he can handle as long as he is not in foul trouble.

He cannot guard a PF at present unless a team is playing small ball against us. That was proven by griffin essentially walking him under basket over and over and over again.

 

[Phrazbit]

Dudley has hardly seen the court, that was literally the first time this year he has played more than Jackson... how is this even a conversation?

 

[Praxis]

Dudley has hardly seen the court, that was literally the first time this year he has played more than Jackson... how is this even a conversation?

He actually played 6 mins against San Antonio, but also played 21 minutes last night, including most of the fourth quarter when it "mattered."

 

[Praxis]

He cannot guard a PF at present unless a team is playing small ball against us. That was proven by griffin essentially walking him under basket over and over and over again.

Do we have anyone on our roster who could better guard Griffin? Please, do tell.

 

[SirStefan32]

Do we have anyone on our roster who could better guard Griffin? Please, do tell.

Bender, Chandler, Len would all bother Griffin more than Jackson would.

 

[Praxis]

Bender, Chandler, Len would all bother Griffin more than Jackson would.

Really, Bender? Who guards Deandre Jordan if our centers are guarding Griffin?

 

[Chaplin]

Really, Bender? Who guards Deandre Jordan if our centers are guarding Griffin?

Do you really not understand lineups? If Bender is guarding Griffin, for example, wouldn't you think that Chandler or Len are guarding Jordan?