Jacoby Brissett wants extension that pays as a starter

[WhackobyBrisket]

Reasonable points like this are very welcome on the board.

I’ll have a 30-oz tomahawk ribeye and a Wisconsin old fashioned

Cheers mate, I've been a long time lurker but always loved the insight and discussions here so decided to actually contribute a bit.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think that the Cards should take Love/Bailey or trade down. Some thought trading down for the Anderson/Johnson trade was the wrong call. Hindsight proved that correct of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the case this year.

The people who thought it was the wrong call had FORESIGHT and it wasn't hindsight that proved them right, it was the results of the trade that did.

If prioritizing winning means most, we all chose the wrong franchise to support.

this is is undoubtedly true... except, I'd argue for most of us, it's not really a choice. it's an addiction, due to where we're born and raised. Those that CHOSE to be a fan of this team should seek psychiatric help.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think that the Cards should take Love/Bailey or trade down. Some thought trading down for the Anderson/Johnson trade was the wrong call. Hindsight proved that correct of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the case this year.

If prioritizing winning means most, we all chose the wrong franchise to support.

This is where I have hopium, that this franchise will change.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

This is where I have hopium, that this franchise will change.

It has to at some point, right?

 

[ajcardfan]

It has to at some point, right?

No, it doesn't.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

No, it doesn't.

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[602 Native]

No, it doesn't.

The NFL are the only ones that will kick the PV Hillbillies to the curb.

Outside of that it is never happening.

Plus Phoenix just allowed them to buy the land for the next stadium when they leave Glendale.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The people who thought it was the wrong call had FORESIGHT and it wasn't hindsight that proved them right, it was the results of the trade that did.

We've had this discussion before so I'll let it be.

this is is undoubtedly true... except, I'd argue for most of us, it's not really a choice. it's an addiction, due to where we're born and raised. Those that CHOSE to be a fan of this team should seek psychiatric help.

1000%

 

[oaken1]

Nothing that you said equates to working “longer.” You want to argue putting his body on the line, that has some legs, but this is football. They all do that. Doing it for 3 hours per week more than the backup isn’t crazy. And by your logic every time a starter goes down with injury the backup should then get to have his contract torn up and get a raise equivalent to a starters. That’s not how sports works and that’s not how good businesses are run. You pay for value based on facts and circumstances.

well yeah...working longer.
a backup QB usually gets to watch the game from the bench.
a starting QB has to go out on the field and actually play in the game...every single week too!

 

[oaken1]

If he is asking to be paid like the average QB, that’s too much but if he wants to hit the bottom 20% that’s realistic. The Cards have a rep among players for being cheap. They can afford to make this gesture. They need to start changing their image.

Thats my position. we got the money. Pay the man for one year...let him secure his retirement plan... it aint gonna hurt the team at all. not like they were gonna trade for Burrow or Parsons or something.

 

[oaken1]

You are about to enter the Twilight Zone, a 5th dimension beyond human knowledge
You unlock this door with a key of imagination. Another dimension of sound, sight and mind:
It's the Az cardinal's 2026 season. Jacoby Brissett's garbage time stats are now real. MHJ is the WR1 everyone expected. Wilson and McBride continue to improve, and we have the best running offense in the NFL. The defensive line is a run stuffing powerhouse and averaging 10 sacks a game...

Ok, even I started laughing while making this up....lolololol

dude, you totally had me sucked in until I got to the sacks.....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay, change it to working "harder." Is that easier?

And no, if a player goes down and the backup comes in, you don't tear up the contract, that's part of next-man-up. But if that starter is now gone and the terms of the arrangement are significantly different, yes, it's time to look at their contract differently and reward them for the more difficult work, or putting their body on the line.

Yeah that argument holds no water to me. Brissett got the job by default. Doesn’t matter if it’s due to injury or tanking. To pretend otherwise is just fooling yourself. He’s the same guy.

And if a guy has to work harder now, he’s not a guy you should want on your team.

Honestly, all the arguments that he SHOULD get a raise like a starting QB kinda suck.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Yeah that argument holds no water to me. Brissett got the job by default. Doesn’t matter if it’s due to injury or tanking. To pretend otherwise is just fooling yourself. He’s the same guy.

And if a guy has to work harder now, he’s not a guy you should want on your team.

Honestly, all the arguments that he SHOULD get a raise like a starting QB kinda suck.

Very true. It's a Next Man Up mentality. How many RBs did we go through last season? Each one that stepped up to fill in the gap once our starting RB went down was not suddenly paid "starting RB wages" despite them being named the starter...

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah that argument holds no water to me. Brissett got the job by default. Doesn’t matter if it’s due to injury or tanking. To pretend otherwise is just fooling yourself. He’s the same guy.

And if a guy has to work harder now, he’s not a guy you should want on your team.

Honestly, all the arguments that he SHOULD get a raise like a starting QB kinda suck.

I think Brissett pretty clearly took the job from Kyler man.

 

[Solar7]

Very true. It's a Next Man Up mentality. How many RBs did we go through last season? Each one that stepped up to fill in the gap once our starting RB went down was not suddenly paid "starting RB wages" despite them being named the starter...

It's "next man up" in season. Never did I advocate he get a raise mid-season, but when the terms of your work agreement change so dramatically, it's time to ask for a raise.

For example, years back I was given a promotion when my boss moved into a different role. It came with an okay pay bump, but the terms of what I would be doing weren't all that different than they'd been in my more junior role, I'd just be supervising some people now. Three months in, some disconnected VP decided that all of our roles needed to be integrated and combined with another department. Suddenly I was expected to learn an entirely new job on top of my new promotion. And because I was such a "rockstar," they gave me our biggest and most stressful market, and told me how great of an opportunity it was for my career. I asked not to do it. They said do it or quit.

So I walked. Simple enough, this wasn't the job I signed up for, and the pay wasn't commensurate. Even if it was, my mental health couldn't handle it (like Jacoby's physical health). That's why he deserves to get paid.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It's "next man up" in season. Never did I advocate he get a raise mid-season, but when the terms of your work agreement change so dramatically, it's time to ask for a raise.

For example, years back I was given a promotion when my boss moved into a different role. It came with an okay pay bump, but the terms of what I would be doing weren't all that different than they'd been in my more junior role, I'd just be supervising some people now. Three months in, some disconnected VP decided that all of our roles needed to be integrated and combined with another department. Suddenly I was expected to learn an entirely new job on top of my new promotion. And because I was such a "rockstar," they gave me our biggest and most stressful market, and told me how great of an opportunity it was for my career. I asked not to do it. They said do it or quit.

So I walked. Simple enough, this wasn't the job I signed up for, and the pay wasn't commensurate. Even if it was, my mental health couldn't handle it (like Jacoby's physical health). That's why he deserves to get paid.

It isn't even known if he will start, how many games he might start, etc. Not paying a guy full starter salary if a QB is picked in the draft because that instantly reduces his role on the team. JB would be a temp starter then back to backing up a rookie, for example.

 

[BritCard]

Just to be clear. If the Cards said "Screw you JB, we'll start the Mississippi Mustache" then he too would be asking for a raise to start.

You can have two QBs on backup money and no starter, one of them needs a pay rise.

 

[602 Native]

Just to be clear. If the Cards said "Screw you JB, we'll start the Mississippi Mustache" then he too would be asking for a raise to start.

You can have two QBs on backup money and no starter, one of them needs a pay rise.

The Cards are the only team not to get that.

What happens if they draft Simpson? Will they cut JB or trade him?

Your scenario above still has to be resolved. What a fine mess the Cards have created.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Honestly, all the arguments that he SHOULD get a raise like a starting QB kinda suck.

At work I had my supervisor retire and they had me fill in until they found her replacement. Eventually after a couple of months they decided to just keep me in the position. I said sure but I'm not doing it without a promotion which they eventually gave to me.

Jacoby's contract was originally for him to be a backup who comes off the bench occasionally as needed. If the Cardinals are now expecting him to begin the season as a starter, I fully understand why he would want to renegotiate that deal. The amount of stress and the physical beating you take as a starting NFL QB warrant a higher pay.

 

[Solar7]

It isn't even known if he will start, how many games he might start, etc. Not paying a guy full starter salary if a QB is picked in the draft because that instantly reduces his role on the team. JB would be a temp starter then back to backing up a rookie, for example.

Sure, and no deal needs to be made today. But the Cardinals literally came out and called JB the starter. If we draft Simpson, it's potentially a different story. If we don't draft anyone until the 3rd or 4th, JB needs a pay raise, IMO.

I don't understand the frustration with this. It's not like it's our money and it's not like giving him a few million more for one season is going to prevent us from signing some marquee free agent, or having to cut everyone. We have the cap space.

 

[PDXChris]

Earn it Jacoby - win a game

He did, he beat Dallas! It should be, Win more than 1 game!

 

[Cheesebeef]

We've had this discussion before so I'll let it be.

I continue to be mystified that you refuse to acknowledge the difference between foresight and hindsight.

 

[oaken1]

He did, he beat Dallas! It should be, Win more than 1 game!

Hes smart. If you are only going to win one game...
Beat dallas.
fudge the cowboys

1-16 is okay as long as that lone win is against dallas

 

[QuebecCard]

Very true. It's a Next Man Up mentality. How many RBs did we go through last season? Each one that stepped up to fill in the gap once our starting RB went down was not suddenly paid "starting RB wages" despite them being named the starter...

You're a Director and are asked to do a VP's job for three months due to his/her absence. After three months, the VP informs the company that a health emergency will prevent a return for up to a year. You're informed that you will continue managing the VP function in the interim. Despite having an existing contract for services to be rendered as a Director, wouldn't you think that this agreement should be revised to better reflect your additional responsibilities?

 

[kerouac9]

At work I had my supervisor retire and they had me fill in until they found her replacement. Eventually after a couple of months they decided to just keep me in the position. I said sure but I'm not doing it without a promotion which they eventually gave to me.

Jacoby's contract was originally for him to be a backup who comes off the bench occasionally as needed. If the Cardinals are now expecting him to begin the season as a starter, I fully understand why he would want to renegotiate that deal. The amount of stress and the physical beating you take as a starting NFL QB warrant a higher pay.

Also it sounds like Brissett wants to have the conversation.

There’s a gap in veteran QB contracts today. 16 veterans are getting $40MM+ AAV and everyone else is making less than $10 million. Only outlier is Malik Willis.

I’m sure if you move Brissett into the $12MM range and guarantee it, everyone feels good.