Is the Wildcard Out of Reach?

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  1. BC867

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    I've been thinking about what you posted. And I have to add . . .

    But they had to know that trading our ace and only reliable
    starting pitcher clearly meant rebuild, not post-season.

    With his high pitch counts, no one expected Robbie Ray to
    be The Man. It is something he would have to overcome,
    which is not easy for a strikeout pitcher who, by definition,
    has to let the count play out on each batter. As it has.
     
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    But then they got Leake. If they believed they were in pure rebuild mode, they should know there is no logic in trading for Leake. You throw in the towel, promote some youngster(s) and you play out the string.

    Hazen, I believe, still felt like they could grab the wild card spot and that is why he made the Leake move. To me, that has the only logical reason for getting Leake.
     
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    To me, there was no logical reason for them to get Leake. None.
     
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    Agree, he has pitched terrible so far for the DBacks. IMO he is not a keeper.
     
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    I agree...unless you are still chasing the wild card. Hazen was put in a bad spot with the team hanging in the race and the teams in front of them doing everything in their power to keep them in the race.

    I don't really fault Hazen but the results speak for themselves.
     
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    I think they picked up Leake so they could remain somewhat competitive and have another veteran arm on the staff. However, I don't think Hazen believed he would be this terrible.
     
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    I thought we got Leake for Salary relief.
     
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    If their manager could take off his rose colored glasses and see things as they truly are this team could be in the thick of a wildcard race. He refuses to criticize lackluster performances of his players. He insisted the bullpen is A-OK, it is not. Archie should be mopping up games in Reno. Starters and bullpen vastly overrated. Greg Holland was a complete disaster and they stuck with him until he imploded because Luvello knew he was just about to turn the corner!!
    Well we all saw how that turned out.
     
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    I don't see other mangers criticizing their players in public. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but that is the place to do it.
     
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    To recap my reaction to your similar post in the game thread, is he doing it?

    Is he being honest with himself and the players for whom he's responsible?

    The overall game results seem to say 'no'. The same mistakes occur over
    and over.

    Mr. Rogers Neighborhood does not work in professional sports. :)

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    Given the fact he virtually never shreds a player publically, I believe he has had some difficult discussions behind closed doors. The fact is this is a .500 team and probably should be worse and TL had coaxed as much out of this team as he possibly could. While I think Hazen is the right guy for the job he simply didn't give TL enough weapons to finish higher. I suspect TL will get a few more weapons next year.
     
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    I maintain that it is not as simple as that.

    Regarding the pitching, yes.

    But we have a solid lineup of line drive hitters.

    There is no reason for them to be no-hit for the
    major part of games, as has been happening,
    lately. If they are all swinging from the heels,
    caring only about the glory of a solo HR, that
    falls on the Manager to work out.

    But it has been getting worse.
     
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    Actually, I think it can be and is that simple. Neither of us know what is really happening in the clubhouse or the managers office. You think he isn't doing anything and I think he is. The truth is somewhere between us.
     
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    I accept that!

    But I also accept the results (especially among the hitters).

    That is out there for everyone to see.
     

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