Is Shawn Marion a hall of famer?

[green machine]

I dont' know if this question has been posed before, but with Barkley going in it got me thinking. If Shawn continues his current play, is he a hall of famer? He will have top notch numbers, scoring, rebounding, everything really. But he's not a superstar, not a number 1 option.

I'd have a hard time thinking of him as a hall of famer myself.

 

[devilalum]

I think he has a chance if he can maintain the 20-10 level for at least 3 more years.

That's probably not going to happen but I'd say he's a shoe in for the ring of honor.

 

[abomb]

Ring of Honor = Yes.

Hall of Fame = No, not unless the Suns rip off a couple of titles with Marion shining in the playoffs. There are plenty of 20-10 guys in the HOF.

A-Bomb

 

[nathan]

Hall of Fame = No, not unless the Suns rip off a couple of titles with Marion shining in the playoffs. There are plenty of 20-10 guys in the HOF.

My sentiments exactly. Only way he gets in are with a couple of titles.

Joe Dumars was an allstar only six times and only received the following all-NBA honors (he did have some defensive honors as well):
1990-NBA-All-NBA (3rd)
1991-NBA-All-NBA (3rd)
1993-NBA-All-NBA (2nd)

On the surface, his stats are borderline HOF at best. Two titles pushed him across the line.

 

[sly fly]

My buds and I were discussing these a couple weeks ago.

I think he gets in IF he continues his 20/10 avgs. AND PHX wins 1 title.

He's pretty much put up sick numbers from Day1.

He could obviously be a vital piece to PHX's chances of winning a title anytime soon.

If he plays tentative and gets shut down again this year (if the Suns advance to the WCF), then I think his chances become remote... because he will eventually be remembered as a sub-par big-game performer.

This is a huge post-season for Marion. He can show the world that this team can get it done w/o their most dominant player.

 

[Chaplin]

What if Shawn averages 20/10 for a long while, but doesn't win a title?

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys. What is there criteria for entrance, and why does it have to be different for Shawn Marion, who in some cases is statistically better?

 

[Ryanwb]

Marion has never dominated his position unlike a Barkley or a Malone nor has he been an All Star regular. Unless he can win a title he won't make it

 

[elindholm]

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys.

I would have voted against Wilkins, personally. It's not just that he didn't win a title -- he was never even on a particularly good team, unless I've forgotten. I don't remember him all that well, but besides being a big-time scorer, what did he do exactly?

Barkley and Malone were both league MVPs who served as primary cornerstones of elite franchises for several years. Marion has a long way to go before he can make that claim. This is the first time that he has even been the #2 player on a good team.

 

[abomb]

What if Shawn averages 20/10 for a long while, but doesn't win a title?

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys. What is there criteria for entrance, and why does it have to be different for Shawn Marion, who in some cases is statistically better?

Very interesting perspective. I think the mainstream NBA fan wouldnt define Marion as a "top go-to guy" on the Suns, in fact he'd probably be listed third behind Nash and Amare. I think this type of public perception plays in heavily with HOF voting and such. That is why I believe the titles are so important to define a player like Marion. Malone didnt win one, but is oft considered the best PF in NBA history and part of the greatest twosome too. Dominique carried the Hawks, albeit not very far, and had some great battles with Jordan in the dunk contests. Barkley's persona went a long way in securing his place in NBA history. My mother doesnt follow basketball, but she could pick out Barkley in his prime. It will be interesting to see how things play out with Marion, there is no denying his talent and numbers. I think Elton Brand falls into the same category.

A-Bomb

 

[nathan]

What if Shawn averages 20/10 for a long while, but doesn't win a title?

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys. What is there criteria for entrance, and why does it have to be different for Shawn Marion, who in some cases is statistically better?

I like looking at the HOF probability indicator at basketall-reference on occasion. Their analysis is amateurish but still an interesting read.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html
height -0.2002
last year indicator 4.1376
NBA points per game 0.4032
NBA rebounds per game 0.4519
NBA assists per game 0.5310
NBA All-Star game selections 0.4235
NBA championships won 0.9941

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys.

I would have voted against Wilkins, personally. It's not just that he didn't win a title -- he was never even on a particularly good team, unless I've forgotten. I don't remember him all that well, but besides being a big-time scorer, what did he do exactly?

Barkley and Malone were both league MVPs who served as primary cornerstones of elite franchises for several years. Marion has a long way to go before he can make that claim. This is the first time that he has even been the #2 player on a good team.

you just don't know enough about 'nique then. not only was he completely electric, but he battled for the league scoring title for several years. his hawks teams also had the misfortune of running into the celtics at the tail end of their run and the pistons at the beginning of their run. the hawks were good, just not good enough.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I like looking at the HOF probability indicator at basketall-reference on occasion. Their analysis is amateurish but still an interesting read.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html
height -0.2002
last year indicator 4.1376
NBA points per game 0.4032
NBA rebounds per game 0.4519
NBA assists per game 0.5310
NBA All-Star game selections 0.4235
NBA championships won 0.9941

According to that formula Marion is like 96% likely to get into the hall of fame, and that is with only 3 allstar games (Im guessing he gets 5 or 6)

 

[Big D]

They talked about this during the Next 10 show they did on TNT during All Star weekend. Charles and Kenny both said that they feel Marion is on his way to a HOF career, comparing him to Alex English I believe in that he will get his 20 every night, regardless if plays are being run for him or not. They did say English was a little bit better scorer, where as Marion is the better defender and rebounder. He's on track right now and consistency is Shawn's MO so there is no reason for me to believe that he can't continue to do what he is doing for another 3-4 seasons. Seeing what has happened with Amare this season has given me an even greater respect for Shawn's durability and what he has been able to accomplish in his years wearing a Suns uniform.

 

[boisesuns]

It's nice to see that the suns have sticked with marion. Some of our players left and got better before they really got used to the game.

 

[nowagimp]

Barkley never won a title, neither did Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins--nobody is arguing against those guys.

I would have voted against Wilkins, personally. It's not just that he didn't win a title -- he was never even on a particularly good team, unless I've forgotten. I don't remember him all that well, but besides being a big-time scorer, what did he do exactly?

Barkley and Malone were both league MVPs who served as primary cornerstones of elite franchises for several years. Marion has a long way to go before he can make that claim. This is the first time that he has even been the #2 player on a good team.

Barkley and Malone were on a different level than wilkins. I would not have named wilkins to the hall, but he did score 25pts+/game for several seasons, could play defense when inspired. Mainly, Wilkins was the most athletic forward in the NBA, yes a better jumper than MJ or Pippen. He was not a smart player with regard to general awaremess on the floor. Wilkins was the only player in the 80's on who could dunk from outside the foul line. I saw Dr. J do it a few times in the 70's, but Jordan always stepped inside the line and seemed to reach more(struggle to reach the dunk) for the dunk than wilkins or Dr. J. That said, MJ was easily a more complete player than either.

I think that Shawn is a better player than WIlkins ever was this year. If he keeps it up(rebs, pts, steals, blocks, defense) I would vote for shawn in the hall. He has, so far, not been the dominant player that Barkley or Malone were. Both those guys should have had championships, but for Jordan and the "lottery pick stuffed" bulls. Many people forget that Jordan won nothing, not even a playoff series, until the bulls had by some incredible coincidence, 6 lottery picks in one year, including two all stars not named Jordan.

 

[nathan]

According to that formula Marion is like 96% likely to get into the hall of fame, and that is with only 3 allstar games (Im guessing he gets 5 or 6)

They list a probability of .156 on his page.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Another thing to consider - the Basketball HOF is not an NBA HOF. That being said, how good of a collegiate player was Marion? Honestly, I never followed the WAC, so I don't know how he was for UNLV. IF he was an all-american, that helps his chances.

Personally, Marion needs to win at least one of these awards, in addition to a Championship to be considered: League MVP, League Defensive POY, Scoring Champion, and/or Rebound Champion. If he can get one of those, and championship, and continue on his current production level for another 4-5 years, I say he will get in.

 

[golfcardfan]

simply too early to tell if he averages similar #'s for next few years and they win a championship YES he will be!

 

[jibikao]

Just curious, who do you think has better chance to be a HOF? Marion VS Nash? I am not even sure if Nash can make it, let alone Marion. Nash has MVP to back him up and Marion has awesome career stats and very stable.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

They list a probability of .156 on his page.

LOL. Well I didn't have my calculator in front of me so I used some cheesy internet one.

 

[elindholm]

Well I didn't have my calculator in front of me so I used some cheesy internet one.

A wise craftsman never blames his tools.

 

[CardsFan88]

If he isn't a hof (if he continues playing at least at the level he was at a couple of years ago) then it will be a crime. I think it's a no brainer if he plays the way he has played

But hof is part politics, and expectations. So you never know.

How many guys would be in the hall of fame or even average 10 points a game, if their number was never called? Well he averages 20.

How many people can steal and block like him, not many. How many can guard bigger guys and out rebound many of them, not many. How many are as a complete player as him, not many. How many can jump like he does, no one I've ever seen.

When I saw his highlight reel when we drafted him, I was ecstatic. I KNEW he was going to be an awesome player and have enjoyed his rise through the years. He should have plenty of more press then he's had, and only now is he getting a reputation. But I have a VERY good feeling that 10-15 years from now we'll be hearing commentators bring up his name quite a bit. Dude's a freak of nature. He does great things on the floor, some I have never seen matched by anyone else.

 

[nathan]

LOL. Well I didn't have my calculator in front of me so I used some cheesy internet one.

I redid the calculation with current data and got a probability of 0.210

Kevin Johnson has a score of .5453 (90th place)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

 

[HooverDam]

Just curious, who do you think has better chance to be a HOF? Marion VS Nash? I am not even sure if Nash can make it, let alone Marion. Nash has MVP to back him up and Marion has awesome career stats and very stable.

Im pretty sure Nash is in. I wonder how many MVPs arent in? That would be an interesting stat. Nash is (easily) the best PG in the league, for about 3 years now, if he can keep it up for 2 more, maybe win a championship or another MVP I think he's a lock

 

[jibikao]

Im pretty sure Nash is in. I wonder how many MVPs arent in? That would be an interesting stat. Nash is (easily) the best PG in the league, for about 3 years now, if he can keep it up for 2 more, maybe win a championship or another MVP I think he's a lock

If Nash/Marion can get a championship, I think they are both in for sure.