I'm on board with Reese at 3

[az jam]

Good stuff Cbus. I know that you are an OSU fan but you have been objective on their skills. Reese is high on everyone's draft boards as most can see the potential. I have come around to feeling much better on him being the Cards pick along with Bailey. I can also see why teams will trade up for either one. Cards are in a good spot and let's hope that Monti doesn't blow it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Just looking at the Jets depth chart...they just spent on Ossai at EDGE and then have Will McDonald on the other side. They have invested a lot in their OL already, have Breese at RB, Taylor at TE, and plan to address QB in 2027. So if they feel their greatest needs are WR, DL, CB, and S. moving back does make sense if the compensation is right.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ugh...was watching a little bit more of Reese...his tape is very off ball LB. I am not saying he can't be an edge or saying that he may not end up being a more well rounded player than Bailey, but you watch Bailey's tape and you see an edge who is refined rushing the passer. You watch Reese's tape and it is a lot of him playing in space and reacting to what is happening.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ugh...was watching a little bit more of Reese...his tape is very off ball LB. I am not saying he can't be an edge or saying that he may not end up being a more well rounded player than Bailey, but you watch Bailey's tape and you see an edge who is refined rushing the passer. You watch Reese's tape and it is a lot of him playing in space who can do multiple things.

Drafting a project at #3 is utterly depressing.

 

[oaken1]

Drafting a project at #3 is utterly depressing.

Or, the Arizona Cardinals drafting a hybrid player..or, position less player.... we don't have much success with those endeavors

 

[Chopper0080]

Drafting a project at #3 is utterly depressing.

The issue IMO is that where he is a project, pass rush, is the main reason you draft an EDGE in the top 5. A lot of a team drafting Reese should be what they have seen in individual workouts and drills because the tape just doesn't give you much from a pure edge standpoint.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or, the Arizona Cardinals drafting a hybrid player..or, position less player.... we don't have much success with those endeavors

A little misconception here...Reese has a position, it is off ball LB. I think he is a better off ball LB than Styles. The question is whether or not he can be an EDGE at the NFL level and he just does not have much tape to really show what that would look like based on how he was used in college.

 

[Chopper0080]

If you just look at how players were used in college, the top of draft position boards would look like this (only positional order).

RB1 - Love
RT1 - Mauigoa
EDGE1 - Bailey
EDGE2 - Bain Jr.
LB1 - Reese
LB2 - Styles
SS1 - Downs (or box safety)

 

[football karma]

Reese is a OLB in the classic sense -- plays vs run, covers some, rushes some

the question is: can he be productive enough rushing to justify a pick at #3.

IF he plays OLB at a very high level, but produces 4 sacks a year -- then its an over-draft but one you can probably live with until its 2nd contract time (and that becomes tricky).

IF you get a Micah Parsons like (or even 75% of Parsons) impact on passing downs, then #3 is totally fine

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Reese is a OLB in the classic sense -- plays vs run, covers some, rushes some

the question is: can he be productive enough rushing to justify a pick at #3.

IF he plays OLB at a very high level, but produces 4 sacks a year -- then its an over-draft but one you can probably live with until its 2nd contract time (and that becomes tricky).

IF you get a Micah Parsons like (or even 75% of Parsons) impact on passing downs, then #3 is totally fine

I really don't remember, did Parsons show much pass rush ability at PSU? It seems like another guy, who hasn't done much in the NFL was their edge and was pretty good at it in college.

 

[DVontel]

Ugh...was watching a little bit more of Reese...his tape is very off ball LB. I am not saying he can't be an edge or saying that he may not end up being a more well rounded player than Bailey, but you watch Bailey's tape and you see an edge who is refined rushing the passer. You watch Reese's tape and it is a lot of him playing in space and reacting to what is happening.

The thing is that I believe Reese is a phenomenal ILB prospect, while just being a good EDGE prospect. This isn’t close to Simmons or Zaven. I think Bailey has an explosive first step, but there are still major concerns to me. The fact a TE can get the best of him blocking scares the hell out of me.

 

[football karma]

ill add this about Reese

Rallis values what Zaven Collins does. Reese would be the potential of much higher impact Zaven Collins*


**i know given the disappointment with Zaven this will be viewed as a negative, but it shouldnt.

 

[602 Native]

I feel ya. That said, I am ok shooting for the moon because I don't care if Monti gets fired and he hasn't shown any other ability to acquire top talent.

Is picking this dude shooting for the moon?

I see nothing extraordinary about him in the slightest.
Speed: Nope
Causing Fumbles: Nope
Power: Nope
Sacks: LOL

This better all be smoke for us to get something for 3 which is absurd that you can't find talent at the 3 pick and you are basically picking 2 because the Raiders are taking a QB.

I hate it here.

 

[football karma]

I really don't remember, did Parsons show much pass rush ability at PSU? It seems like another guy, who hasn't done much in the NFL was their edge and was pretty good at it in college.

Parsons was kind of an odd prospect

played true MLB his soph year and was very productive for that position ( including 5 sacks)

opted out of his junior year due to covid -- and entered the draft

Parsons was a true Height/Weight/Speed/Athleticism projection with not a lot of tape to go on

 

[602 Native]

That's if the Jets don't take him at 2, which I think is a real possibility.

Matt Patricia, OSU's DC, has said privately that if they just played Reese at edge all year he could have led the nation in sacks, or been right there.

But he was so good and versatile that they played him other roles to best suit the defense, which was the best in the country.

Biggest bunch of ******** I have ever heard.

Let some other team buy into this story please.

 

[602 Native]

ill add this about Reese

Rallis values what Zaven Collins does. Reese would be the potential of much higher impact Zaven Collins*


**i know given the disappointment with Zaven this will be viewed as a negative, but it shouldnt.

Who fricken cares what Rallis values dude will be fired by mid-season.
Collins has been an abject failure for where he was drafted.

Using the number 3 pick on a LB is just total madness. Reese has shown nothing to say he can be a pass rusher in the NFL.

Dear lord help us if we pick this kid.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Biggest bunch of ******** I have ever heard.

Let some other team buy into this story please.

Makes me want Reese even more if you're against it. Perfect.

 

[bg7brd]

If you just look at how players were used in college, the top of draft position boards would look like this (only positional order).

RB1 - Love
RT1 - Mauigoa
EDGE1 - Bailey
EDGE2 - Bain Jr.
LB1 - Reese
LB2 - Styles
SS1 - Downs (or box safety)

I would take Bain over Reese.

 

[602 Native]

Makes me want Reese even more if you're against it. Perfect.

Let me guess you liked Collins and Simmons as well.

Reese is fools gold. Dude is a project LB as the 3rd pick overall.

Talk about the worst pick a team can make that has proven they can't spot, develop, trade, or sign talent.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Let me guess you liked Collins and Simmons as well.

Reese is fools gold. Dude is a project LB as the 3rd pick overall.

Talk about the worst pick a team can make that has proven they can't spot, develop, trade, or sign talent.

I wanted wirfs and Rousseau ….over Simmons and collins…can’t compare Reese to Simmons and collins cause he is a much better prospect

 

[Garthshort]

That's if the Jets don't take him at 2, which I think is a real possibility.

Matt Patricia, OSU's DC, has said privately that if they just played Reese at edge all year he could have led the nation in sacks, or been right there.

But he was so good and versatile that they played him other roles to best suit the defense, which was the best in the country. Being versatile is not a bad thing. Play him in one role on early downs, get after the QB on others.

The NFL is going to listen to what Patricia has to say with all his excellence as a DC.

Bailey is a great prospect and a pass rusher only. The Cards have that guy in Sweat. Reese is the better prospect with a much higher ceiling and a better fit.

Hes not an Isaiah Simmons at all. Hes closer to a Parsons.

My first choice is still probably Love but Reese is the better pick for the Cards.

A lot of this info is coming from a former OSU NFL linebacker I saw today.

Waiting for the OSU homer remarks even though I've been hesitant to call for Reese and have made known my thoughts on Styles.

VG points, but I'm wondering how you felt about Reddick, before and after we drafted him. And, naturally before we traded him to the Eagles?

 

[some dumb guy]

Is picking this dude shooting for the moon?

I see nothing extraordinary about him in the slightest.
Speed: Nope
Causing Fumbles: Nope
Power: Nope
Sacks: LOL

This better all be smoke for us to get something for 3 which is absurd that you can't find talent at the 3 pick and you are basically picking 2 because the Raiders are taking a QB.

I hate it here.

I'm not using the laughing emoji to laugh at you. I'm using it because your posts are so passoniate they make me smile. Please keep it up

 

[football karma]

Who fricken cares what Rallis values dude will be fired by mid-season.
Collins has been an abject failure for where he was drafted.

Using the number 3 pick on a LB is just total madness. Reese has shown nothing to say he can be a pass rusher in the NFL.

Dear lord help us if we pick this kid.

not saying we care

but a guy in the building on draft day cares, so it suggests he might be the guy


and btw and in general: given just how unpredictable the draft is on ratings vs who the player actually turns out, I just dont understand how anyone would get really upset over taking a player that is universally considered a top 5 kinda prospect. We all have our opinions and thats fun, but should it really ruin your day?

 

[Chopper0080]

The thing is that I believe Reese is a phenomenal ILB prospect, while just being a good EDGE prospect. This isn’t close to Simmons or Zaven. I think Bailey has an explosive first step, but there are still major concerns to me. The fact a TE can get the best of him blocking scares the hell out of me.

Does Reese's tape remind you a bit of Jihad Campbell? Reese is definitely bigger but their tape seems similar in terms of ow they were used. Maybe it is just me.

 

[Chopper0080]

I really don't remember, did Parsons show much pass rush ability at PSU? It seems like another guy, who hasn't done much in the NFL was their edge and was pretty good at it in college.

If I recall correctly, a lot of Parson's tape his last year was consistently as an edge. They used him differently most of that year.