For those who sugest that Nation articles are not biased against us

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by nidan
I read a few weeks ago that Pace is looking for a blockbuster deal and will not play until he gets it.

I don['t remember the detail but I do remember being stunned by what he was asking for.

Yeah that was about a month ago. The rams woud not franchise him unless they didnt think they could sign him.

 

[SECTION 11]

Pace was considering firing his agent (Carl Poston?). I don't know if that would speed things up or not. I think not. Pace is the man making the decision on the Rams offer, and Pace is the man that want's more money.

I hope he holds out and it destroys any chemistry that they might have had before Turkey showed up.

 

[Sandan]

So how does a contract holdout on their OL make them an improved team.

Or for that matter how does a washed up CB now learning to play saftey make them better?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by nidan
So how does a contract holdout on their OL make them an improved team.

Or for that matter how does a washed up CB now learning to play saftey make them better?

Apart from Archuleta, their secondary's a mess.

 

[Redheart]

We still have hope...it's traditional.

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Yeah that was about a month ago. The rams woud not franchise him unless they didnt think they could sign him.

Yea. That ought to make him a very happy camper. Motivation will just drip from him as he thows his body about with wild abondon for that one-year honor.

Didn't we try that with Rice? Oh yea, but we are the Cardinals, not the wonderful, everyone wants to play for Rams.

I have to agree with Nindan. We are an easy target, based on our past performance, and the national press get a free-bee in bashing us and looking smart.

Don't worry too much about it. The national press also love a Cinderella story. They will also jump at the chance to play this team up, even if they are being lucky rather that good. Remember the swarm of camaras and attention when we were playing for first place in our division and had a 4-2 start last year?

 

[Sandan]

Yep, if we win a few then it will change real quick. Would be nice to see again but this year I can but hope it will continue past game 6.

There are three other guys on the Rams OL that were there last year. If I remember correctly their collective nickname was 'Rotating Barstools" and as I said, I thing three of them are still there, plus (maybe) one PO'd OT.

 

[Rivercard]

Re: We still have hope...it's traditional.

Originally posted by Redheart
Don't worry too much about it. The national press also love a Cinderella story. They will also jump at the chance to play this team up, even if they are being lucky rather that good. Remember the swarm of camaras and attention when we were playing for first place in our division and had a 4-2 start last year? [/B]

The bashing will continue regardless. I remember several quotes when we were 4-2 last year like "You can tell it's still early in the season when the Cardinals lead the NFC West".

 

[Redheart]

Re: Re: We still have hope...it's traditional.

Originally posted by Rivercard
The bashing will continue regardless. I remember several quotes when we were 4-2 last year like "You can tell it's still early in the season when the Cardinals lead the NFC West".

You are right; but I wonder how that would have changed if we had managed to rip off a win in that following game with the Niners.

We were playing them for the #1. What a horrible, horrible, start to that game. Even still, the team was rallying for a comback until that INT thrown at Freddy.

WHO I STILL THINK WAS FLOATING AND SHOULD HAVE POWERED TO THAT BALL!!!

Errr...sorry. I think we already beat that one to death.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by 40yearfan

it's just as easy to believe that the Cards have addressed their questions and will be highly competitive this year as it is to believe that the Rams can overcome all their obstacles and the Niners coaching change was a good one.

i know you said it's just your opinion, but it's NOT just as easy to believe that b/c when you look at history the other teams have showed the ability to address their needs adequately while the cardinals never seem to do so. that, in turn, justifies reliance on other teams' actions whilst concurrently remaining skeptical in regards to the cards' actions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
You are the only person I've seen who thinks the Bengals have replace/compensated for losing Spikes.

Pace is holding out and won't be in camp (from Rams front office). I don't see how the Rams have improved unless you have crytal ball an know if Warner will return to form and they won't go 0-5 again.

Unlike his previous stops Parcells is not the GM and does not select players. Also he does not have his Def guy, who stayed as head coach of the Patriots. They are many questions how succesful he will be. In either case, in the past he has always taken 2+ years to improve things and that was with total control. At best the Felons are treading water and still don't have any kind of NFL QB, heck I'd take Jake over both those guys.

How can anybody suggest the niners have got better ?

Uh Nidan, Wasn't the reason Parcells left NE was because he couldn't do the shopping for his own meal - ie drafting and bringing in players? You can't mimimize Parcells impact anywhere no matter hiw much you want to. That team was awfulo last year, but still won 5 games - same as us - almost beat us at home and had a good offseason, draft wise and a couple free agents. Parcells has never had total control anywhere, except maybe with the Jets.

 

[Rivercard]

Re: Re: Re: We still have hope...it's traditional.

Originally posted by Redheart
You are right; but I wonder how that would have changed if we had managed to rip off a win in that following game with the Niners.

We were playing them for the #1. What a horrible, horrible, start to that game. Even still, the team was rallying for a comback until that INT thrown at Freddy.

I try to go to 1 Cards game a year usually in AZ but last year I was at 3com for that game. I tell you what, 3com sucks. Getting in and out of the stadium is horrible. Before I could get a cold brew and settled in my seat we were way down already. Still, looked like an exciting comeback was brewing before it fell apart. I hate the Niners more than ever after experiencing 3com.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

People seem to forget this, but while the media often puts a negative spin on the Cardinals, when they produced, like in the '99 season, everybody was ready to jump on the bandwagon, and many writers were picking them to be a young and rising team. The the PR disasters with Miller, Lomas Brown and Larry Centers, and you wonder why people labeled them the "same old cardinals".... I definitely think Graves has made progress, but to get this ship turned around will take a hell of a lot more than what he has done.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
People seem to forget this, but while the media often puts a negative spin on the Cardinals, when they produced, like in the '99 season, everybody was ready to jump on the bandwagon, and many writers were picking them to be a young and rising team.

As I recall, there have only been two seasons in recent memory where the "experts" & the pre-season mags were picking the Cardinals to finish 1st or 2nd in their division. 1999 and year two of Buddy Ball.

 

[Sandan]

I just don't see where the Felons are significantly improved this year, next year maybe but not this year.

Even the folks at CN Si don't think much will change this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
I just don't see where the Felons are significantly improved this year, next year maybe but not this year.

Even the folks at CN Si don't think much will change this year.

I don't think they are playoff material or anything like that - but if there is one loss I can guarnatee this year, unfortunatley it will Oct. 5 at Dallas. No way we win that game - our talent levels oveall are about on par with eachother and Pracells is a much better coach than Mac and it's on the road - it's just one more game that could make me change my mind about Mac - he's got a lot of those coming up this season, because in reality, on paper, our schedule is favorbale to us - most of these games are going to come down to coaching (bengals, bears, dallas, lions) - if he wins those games and brings this team to rise to the ocassion a couple times, I'll be happy - if not, he's just another guy who got handed the cardinal reigns and failed.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by Rivercard
As I recall, there have only been two seasons in recent memory where the "experts" & the pre-season mags were picking the Cardinals to finish 1st or 2nd in their division. 1999 and year two of Buddy Ball.

That is exactly my point though, in those years, there was clear reasons why people would think there would be improvement and change. While the Buddy prediction was clearly wrong, the media hasn't ever been wrong predicting the Cardinals will be bottom dwellers, because that is all that they've done. You can blame it on injuries, coaching, Jake, or whatever, but the bottom line is production, and there has been none of it. If you were a national writer, would you be predicting top of the division? Can anyone honestly argue that?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Rivercard
As I recall, there have only been two seasons in recent memory where the "experts" & the pre-season mags were picking the Cardinals to finish 1st or 2nd in their division. 1999 and year two of Buddy Ball.

Year one of Buddy Ball we were picked to go to the NFC championship by Inside Sports, still a big sports mag at the time. Our offense was coming off a 3rd NFC ranking, with Beurline, Gray Clark, Rocky Proehl, Ronald Moore and Garrison Hearst in the fold and we won our last three games the season previous when Bugel got fired. People thought Buddy would shape up the D and we would become the new beasts of the east - well we all saw how that turned out Christmas two years later when Buddy made us the laughingstock of the league again.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I don't think they are playoff material or anything like that - but if there is one loss I can guarnatee this year, unfortunatley it will Oct. 5 at Dallas. No way we win that game - our talent levels oveall are about on par with eachother and Pracells is a much better coach than Mac and it's on the road - it's just one more game that could make me change my mind about Mac - he's got a lot of those coming up this season, because in reality, on paper, our schedule is favorbale to us - most of these games are going to come down to coaching (bengals, bears, dallas, lions) - if he wins those games and brings this team to rise to the ocassion a couple times, I'll be happy - if not, he's just another guy who got handed the cardinal reigns and failed.

OK Cheese. I think you've finally lost it. Yes, it will be tough to win on the road this year but c'mon, a "guaranteed loss"? Dallas is in the sweepstakes for the worst team in the NFL award.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
That is exactly my point though, in those years, there was clear reasons why people would think there would be improvement and change. While the Buddy prediction was clearly wrong, the media hasn't ever been wrong predicting the Cardinals will be bottom dwellers, because that is all that they've done. You can blame it on injuries, coaching, Jake, or whatever, but the bottom line is production, and there has been none of it. If you were a national writer, would you be predicting top of the division? Can anyone honestly argue that?

I don't think anyone is arguing that we should be predicted to finish first in the west. We complain that writers don't take the effort to adequately assess this team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Dallas is in the sweepstakes for the worst team in the NFL award.

So are we. You want to put some money on it? Whoever loses donates the amount of the bet to Skkorp so he can continue running the board. I'll put 50 on it.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
So are we. You want to put some money on it? Whoever loses donates the amount of the bet to Skkorp so he can continue running the board. I'll put 50 on it.

How many points do I get?

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I don't think they are playoff material or anything like that - but if there is one loss I can guarnatee this year, unfortunatley it will Oct. 5 at Dallas. No way we win that game - our talent levels oveall are about on par with eachother and Pracells is a much better coach than Mac and it's on the road

Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter are on par with Jeff Blake? Emmitt Smith and Marcel Shipp are no better than Troy Hambrick?

I don't see why you are so enamored of Parcells. He's been out of the league for what, three, four years? And he has had less and less success at each stop.

Stating that the Cardinals have no shot to beat a Dallas team that we beat last year is just plain Cardinal bashing.

 

[Lex]

Jerry Jones told the media during preseason last year, that he thought the cowgirls had TWO pro bowl quarterbacks on the roster.

I hope Parcell's is pulling a "Buddy Ball" charade, and is only making one last payday out of this job.

I think it's possible that Emmitt may want to show up Jerry Jones in this game, so I think we have a chance to win it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by Rivercard
I don't think anyone is arguing that we should be predicted to finish first in the west. We complain that writers don't take the effort to adequately assess this team.

I agree somewhat with this statement, however I think the writers look at the teams from a "bottom line" standpoint, and say the Cardinals are going to suck. Whatever the pieces may be, the additions and subtractions, the bottom line generally seems to adequately assess the team, as perennially at the bottom of the division. What would be a more adequate way of assessing the team?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

when bill parcells is 127 years old and only has a fifth of his brain left, floating in a machine to keep it alive, he'll STILL be a better football coach than mac. THAT'S how good a coach parcells is. and keeps getting worse with each stop? hmmm, giants two superbowls, pats, a terrible franchise when he came to town, in the superbowl, the jets 1-15 when he got there, a playoff contender. yeah, he stinks.