Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo?

[Bufalay]

Here's my problem with the video on Shabazz... 95% of it is him doing highlight dunks. I don't need highlight dunks from my SG. I need him creating good shots for himself against top tier competition. I need him hitting 3's. I need him breaking down a defense & finding the open man for easy baskets. I need him to play good defense consistently.

That video just makes him look like a showboater than has no game other than dunking. I'm sure that's not accurate, but it's all that it shows. When he gets to the NBA, he's not going to be able to easily dunk it in traffic against 7ft guys.

Dunks are good shots.

 

[SunsTzu]

can't wait to see him play but I honestly think from what I've seen, he's more of a 3 than a 2, we'll see if he can improve his guard skills enough to make the transition.

I think Shabazz would me a good 3 but his highest potential is at the 2 because he is so physically imposing at that position. I don't think he's as good a prospect at the '14 studs Parker and Wiggins but I expect him to be able to develop what's needed to play the 2 where he can maximize his potential.

I'd take him over anyone on the Suns, his potential is very high and the guy is just relentless. Though I am really intrigued by how Steven Adams does, he's probably the only player I could see liking more than Shabazz in next years draft if he comes out.

 

[jagu]

Jagu only likes white players.

Care to explain?

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Shabazz would me a good 3 but his highest potential is at the 2 because he is so physically imposing at that position. I don't think he's as good a prospect at the '14 studs Parker and Wiggins but I expect him to be able to develop what's needed to play the 2 where he can maximize his potential.

I'd take him over anyone on the Suns, his potential is very high and the guy is just relentless. Though I am really intrigued by how Steven Adams does, he's probably the only player I could see liking more than Shabazz in next years draft if he comes out.

Yeah I love Adams since he's a Kiwi.

I like Shabazz alot don't get me wrong I just don't know if he has the game to be a great 2, he's not laterally quick, I can't see him guarding 2's very well and I can't see him just overpowering college and NBA 2's, they'll just back off and say make the shot.

I won't be surprised at all if he puts up 15PPG next year, all reports are UCLA is looking to run more, they're looking for Shabazz to a cog in the offense, but I'd be amazed if he puts up much more than that. Love put up 17PPG at UCLA, maybe Love had better players with him(Collison and Westbrook) but the system is share the ball, even wtih Love there was all sorts of issues upperclassmen being jealous etc. That's bound to happen with the current team at least at first.

And the reality is college kids don't step aside to let you dunk, well Budinger did but most don't.



He's a very good postup player and has a half hook that just never seems to miss, but he's not a great shooter yet.

I think he's a top 5 pick, I wouldn't be surprised if he's closer to 5 than 1 though.

 

[95pro]

Jagu only likes white players.

Care to explain?

 

[jagu]

 

[SunsTzu]

I think he's a top 5 pick, I wouldn't be surprised if he's closer to 5 than 1 though.

Possibly, but a lot of the top prospects in next years draft are the same way. Unless someone breaks out in a major way there is going to be a lot of boom/bust prospects in the top of next years draft without much depth after that.

Honestly I think Shabazz is a safer bet at this point than the other top prospects.

 

[slinslin]

As for highly recruited ever if he'd been in the 2013 class he probably would have been the 3rd or 4th ranked kid. He's really good, but 2012 was a class without a superstar. Noel reclassed and immediately became the #1 overall kid in the class, and he's got a long ways to go offensively himself

Rivals still rates Shabazz #1 and Noel #2.

And even if what is the point considering many scouts think that Noel is going to be as good or even better than Davis?

And please Austin Rivers was ranked #1 by many and you are saying Shabazz wouldn't be in the top 5 in 2012? ( and I really liked rivers )

 

[SunsTzu]

And even if what is the point considering many scouts think that Noel is going to be as good or even better than Davis?

Noel has a long way to go before he's as good as Davis imo. He may block as many shots and grab as many boards but he is pretty far in terms of offensive and defensive impact.

 

[Bufalay]

Care to explain?

You seem to overstate the positive attributes of certain white players and exaggerated the negatives of other non-white players.

Reading your comments over the past few yeasr regarding the two, I would conclude that you thought Gortat was a better player than Stoudemire.

When the Suns signed Beasley you posted

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We lose one of the classier players in league and pick up this clown. Trying to control my excitement.

You could have just called him a clown and listed some of the stupid things that he's done, but instead you thought showing this photo was enough to convey how un-classy he was.

That post struck me as borderline racist; and based on your posting history, I wasn't surprised.

 

[slinslin]

Players jagu loves

Nash, Gortat, Dragic, Fredette

Players jagu hates and brings up in comparison all the time and spews hate without any reason or argument usually
Amare, Beasley, Kemba Walker, Austin Rivers, Robin Lopez, Shabazz list goes on

to be fair he loved Faried and for whatever reason said that Enes Kanter would quit the league for turkish rap music.

he also hated endlessly on Jeremy Lin and was proclaiming every other day that the next game Lin would suck.

I guess Jagu just hates on anyone who has any sort of resemblance to that "hiphop/hood culture" life style. He should love Lin though but I guess it was just jealousy

 

[mojorizen7]

"How much more black could this be? and the answer is none more black."

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont think its racist to call Beasley a clown. This isnt him taking some name out of a hat and attaching stereotypes to it. Beasley's conduct and play since entering the NBA have not loaned themselves to positive adjectives.

If anything "clown" is kind.

 

[mojorizen7]

On topic:
I'd like to see Gordon signed. We're going to need at least one dynamic scorer going forward and i think that a Dragic/Gordon backcourt would mesh nicely and give you a nice blend of offense and defense,playmaking and athleticism. Our starting guards would be set.

Having said that,if the Hornets match and we end up with a lesser,cheaper FA instead thats ok too. We'll be a worse team next year and play lotto with better stakes.

I'd like to believe that the Suns know they cant rebuild this team in one offseason. ? Right? Somebody re-assure me of this.

I think Gortat will be trade deadline bait anyway.

 

[Bufalay]

I dont think its racist to call Beasley a clown. This isnt him taking some name out of a hat and attaching stereotypes to it. Beasley's conduct and play since entering the NBA have not loaned themselves to positive adjectives.

If anything "clown" is kind.

I didn't say it was racist to call him a clown.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rivals still rates Shabazz #1 and Noel #2.

And even if what is the point considering many scouts think that Noel is going to be as good or even better than Davis?

And please Austin Rivers was ranked #1 by many and you are saying Shabazz wouldn't be in the top 5 in 2012? ( and I really liked rivers )

Rivals is different, Scout ranks on prospect, Shabazz is better than Noel today, they think Noel will be better than Shabazz at some point down the line.

I'd be surprised if Noel is as good as Davis but the point was he's not (Shabazz) the highest recruited player in many years, he was just the top rated kid in 2012, until Noel changed classes. In 2013 he'd have been behind Noel, Parker, Randle and quite possibly one of the Harrison twins.

I said he's a top 5 kid so I don't really get your last comment, I think he'll go top 5 when he comes out for the NBA, I just think right now without seeing how he'll play in college my guess is he's closer to the 5th pick, than the 1st pick. He works REALLY hard, but he's got some issues, he's just not that quick and he's not a great shooter. can't wait to see him at UCLA, hope he leads us to Banner 12, but I'm not convinced yet he's going to be a great NBA SG.

I think Austin Rivers is a great example of why not to go do Duke, in one year he went from 1st overall by some to 13th overall pick. Go to UCLA.

 

[Russ Smith]

Possibly, but a lot of the top prospects in next years draft are the same way. Unless someone breaks out in a major way there is going to be a lot of boom/bust prospects in the top of next years draft without much depth after that.

Honestly I think Shabazz is a safer bet at this point than the other top prospects.

I agree because of the type of kid he is, he will outwork everyone else.

His dad played at SC but was smart enough to see his son should avoid SC. He's got an amazing work ethic probably because he has tourettes so he HAD to work harder to keep up when he was younger. His older sister is a pro tennis player and the dad was basically playing Richard Williams to her Venus and Serena until her back problems kicked in right about the time Shabazz grew several inches and suddenly became a prospect. So I think Shabazz is from a unique situation and family that gives him the right mental approach.

He won't fail for lack of effort that's for sure.

Great kid, I just don't think he's a kid you consider tanking an NBA season for, at least not yet.

 

[jagu]

You seem to overstate the positive attributes of certain white players and exaggerated the negatives of other non-white players.

Reading your comments over the past few yeasr regarding the two, I would conclude that you thought Gortat was a better player than Stoudemire.

When the Suns signed Beasley you posted



You could have just called him a clown and listed some of the stupid things that he's done, but instead you thought showing this photo was enough to convey how un-classy he was.

That post struck me as borderline racist; and based on your posting history, I wasn't surprised.

Wow, never knew I was a racist but you've really broken it down well. I guess I shouldn't post pictures of guys that look like clowns anymore. Oh yea and I take back what I said about me loving the Shannon Brown returning idea, well since he's black and all. And I've always defended Markieff Morris as well as a rookie with some promise but now I'm having my doubts.

Calling me a racist is one thing, considering that Beasley post as borderline racist is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[jagu]

Players jagu loves

Nash, Gortat, Dragic, Fredette

Players jagu hates and brings up in comparison all the time and spews hate without any reason or argument usually
Amare, Beasley, Kemba Walker, Austin Rivers, Robin Lopez, Shabazz list goes on

to be fair he loved Faried and for whatever reason said that Enes Kanter would quit the league for turkish rap music.

he also hated endlessly on Jeremy Lin and was proclaiming every other day that the next game Lin would suck.

I guess Jagu just hates on anyone who has any sort of resemblance to that "hiphop/hood culture" life style. He should love Lin though but I guess it was just jealousy

I never knew Robin Lopez had a hip-hop/hood culture. Care to give me some details on that? Oh yea and you forgot to put Channing Frye on the list of players I hate.

 

[SunsTzu]

Great kid, I just don't think he's a kid you consider tanking an NBA season for, at least not yet.

I agree he's not a plan to tank in advance type prospect, but the Suns are going to be pretty bad anyway and I like him more than anyone outside of Davis in this past draft.

As I said earlier though I'm most intrigued by Adams. Extremely athletic 7 footer with a massive frame. He's another guys who seems to have a fantastic work ethic and seems to be improving greatly as he gets more experience against better competition. Plus Adams gives the best interviews, it's as if thinks all the media attention he gets is silly.

 

[slinslin]

Wouldn't shock me if Cody Zeller makes enough of a leap to be a legitimate threat for the #1 pick.
Next years draft is not going to be bad, it's loaded with center prospects.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Can see the logic in both but i think Gordons cieling is just higher and he has great character which is huge if a Chip is the goal. I think mayos cieling is a quiet 20 ppg and not much else. Gordons cieling i believe is borderline superstar averaging 24-26ppg a few assists, and hard nosed defense. I think Dwayne wade Lite. He is high character with poise as well..

But the fact that Mayo would come cheaper is intriguing as well. Both good players

 

[TigToad]

Gordon. I expect we'll have to give up something to get him (to avoid the match or to make it a sign-and-trade). I'm okay with everything from the LA deal except the 2015 first rounder.

 

[AfroSuns]

Players jagu loves

Nash, Gortat, Dragic, Fredette

Players jagu hates and brings up in comparison all the time and spews hate without any reason or argument usually
Amare, Beasley, Kemba Walker, Austin Rivers, Robin Lopez, Shabazz list goes on

to be fair he loved Faried and for whatever reason said that Enes Kanter would quit the league for turkish rap music.

he also hated endlessly on Jeremy Lin and was proclaiming every other day that the next game Lin would suck.

I guess Jagu just hates on anyone who has any sort of resemblance to that "hiphop/hood culture" life style. He should love Lin though but I guess it was just jealousy

Haha, pretty close but you forgot the one that he hates more than Amare; Frye

i dont think he is racist, but Jagu's over the top criticism is ridiculous.

 

[jagu]

Haha, pretty close but you forgot the one that he hates more than Amare; Frye

i dont think he is racist, but Jagu's over the top criticism is ridiculous.

Yea Frye takes the cake.

As for Amare, great offensive player in prime.. Just not a championship type player in my eyes. I never said Gortat was better than him but I like the way he plays better on defense. Gortat isn't on the same level as Amare though. Amare is one of the best PF in the game when right.

Not sure why any of the ranting I go into is racist though. I'm a big Suns fan and I do get frustrated.