Derek Brown

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  1. Lagerfilled

    Lagerfilled Professional Tailgater

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    So I just watched some film on the young man because I’m not a big college football guy, but I’ve got to say I’m thoroughly impressed.

    This kid is big, strong, quick, violent, relentless, tough, and smart. I was expecting a sloppy looking NT, but he is anything but. He can play 1, 3, and even 5 technique.

    I see some Calais in his game in terms of power and he has the gap shooting quickness of a Fletcher Cox. I don’t care how he tested at the combine. The big eye in the sky don’t lie. This kid (I mean man) has all sorts of game. He collapses the pocket with regularity and although he doesn’t always get home, he will absolutely ruin your run game... Yes, you 49ers.

    In all fairness to Okudah and Simmons, this is the guy our defense needs IMHO to take it to a whole other level. If Brown is gone, I’ll admit that I want Ruggs because he would likely have a similar immediate impact on the offense and teams that Brown would have on the defense. Sign me up!!!
     
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    Goldfield Formally known as BEERZ

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    Yup that who I’m hoping for. Or Wills
     
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    Definitely in a great position to get him or another stud in this draft. They will either have a chance to draft the #1 player at a position that can have an immediate impact for this team.

    #1 DE Chase Young
    #1 DT Derek Brown
    #1 CB Jeff Okudah
    #1 LB Isaiah Simmons
    #1 OT or #1 WR(the players rated #1 vary)

    Worst case scenario may be all these players are gone and a QB is available for some team to make an offer and move up.
     
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    Syracusecards DA's pass went that way

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    Yup. Solid person, great work ethic and motor, immensely talented. You don’t find DT’s like him very often.

    As for Ruggs, smells too Raider-ish to me.
     
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    How many defensive tackles can scoop up a fumble without it looking cringeworthy? If he trips at the end but he’s very fluid for his size...

     
  6. TheCardFan

    TheCardFan Things have changed.

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    I want to like Brown but history is not on his side.
    • Who was the last DT taken in the top 10 that made an impact?
    • He is not Aaron Donald
    • Didn't have the production in college
    • His #1 asset is strength but it will be neutralized in the NFL (each week he will be going against grown ass men not 21 year old college guys)
    • His combine performance was awful
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    I think we would be getting a Dexter Lawrence type player (very similar to Jordan Phillips as well).

    Here is what Dexter did as a rookie...would you be happy with this as your top 10 pick?

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    No, I don't want, but when the hype is started for a player it's difficult to slow it down

    I totally agree with your concerns, he doesn't have the production and the athletic ability to be considered a top 15 pick, and history explain us how stupid is to invest a top15 in a defensive tackle over 315 pound

    I like more Naville Gallimore, Marlon Davidson or Matubuiki for our defensive line unit
     
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    Dr. Jones Has No Time For Love

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    100% Agree

    We have the opportunity to take someone with a much higher floor than this guy. You can't take enormous chances in the top 8!

    Young
    Okudah
    Simmons
    Wills
    Trade back
    Lamb/Wirfs/Ruggs/Thomas/Jeudy

    All have higher floors than Brown.
     
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    Not counting the obvious Young, Jeudy & Okudah, but for the rest of these, based off of what?
     
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    Some guys clearly didn’t watch him play.
     
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    One of the single greatest plays I’ve ever seen a DT make. Flies right by the guard, chases the RB in the back field, changes direction and creams him 20 yards later.

    that’s just insane
     
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    Having a solid dt next to Phillips would help take off pressure

    But if simmons or ok is there even lamb those are players to pass on.... or any of the top ot
     
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    Won't be the first time u wrong about some prospect evaluation, even if u use to watch it clearly.. but I don't want to rub your nose in it
    Let's talks about it after his rookie season
     
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    no see I’m an adult and can admit plenty when I’m wrong and I’ve been wrong about more than I’ve been right.

    if your right about prospects more than your wrong you should be an NFL GM because you’d be the best GM in history.
     
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    Wills & Wirfs - Polish for Wills, and a typical RT will play 100% of offensive downs week to week.
    WR's - Conservatively play roughly 60 to 75% of downs. More likely closer to 80%.

    Brown will play roughly 50 to 65% of downs just based on how defensive line play is coached.

    Next, he will have to overcome historically bad data (posted in my quote) regarding his measureables and how that leads to overall prospect production at the next level.

    And finally...... DT's are just an absolute crap shoot this high in the draft. If we were talking pick 12 or later? Fine. Most picks are riskier at that point.
     
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