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vikesfan said:
As for the Kory thing it was Tice not Green who made fun of Kory. She has lost her lawsuits if DG did something wrong he would have lost the lawsuit.

To clarify, his wife, Kelcie(sp?) said that the coach and his staff mocked him when he threw up the day before. I took that to mean Green and his staff, she never mentioned Dennis by name, and NBC only did once or twice in passing.

She hasn't lost her suit, most were thrown out because the NFL is smart enough to right contracts with players and the union that made most of her claims simply impossible, in effect the team was basically indemnified against such suits. HOwever the NFL itself is not and that's why she's now suing the NFL. The Vikings and the NFL believe she's simply filing suit after suit trying to get money.

But she quite specifically said the coach, and in fact she named Dennis Green in at least one of her earlier suits so SHE at least thinks it wasn't just Tice.
 

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Krangthebrain said:
Did you hear about Koslowski's extravagant spending? $7,000 shower curtain!

If I saw Koslowski, I'd probably shoot him. He has literally forced my dad to have to work another 10 years until he can retire. :hulk:

Oh for sure. I have a ton of friends who worked for Sensormatic. Tyco bought them, stripped them and their jobs were gone. One of my best friends was told his job was now in Atlanta and he had 2 weeks to get there on his own or be replaced. His frickin corporate jet wakes me up about 4:00 every morning. He picked his headquarters in the flight path so he could see his office on the way to work from the air. Scumbag bastard for sure.
 

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Krangthebrain said:
Because it is an amphetamine like substance, ephedra gets out of your system rather quickly, around 10-12 hours. It's such a toxic substance that your body rids itself of it quickly.

Drugs like ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, etc. all get out your system within a day or so, since all are such toxic substances. Marijuana doesn't, since your body can easily handle even high amounts of THC and the other associated chemicals.

Stringer probably took some ripped fuel, and by the time he died, his body had already metabolised it.

I still don't believe Ephedra is as deadly as the media states, although I do think you need to drink more water while taking it...
 
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nidan said:
Heatstroke and keeping hydrated are a little more high profile herre than in Mn.

There are water carts everywhere, it's the one thing players break for all the time

Thanks, that's what I assumed, but was hoping would be verified.

The implication was that it was a very unusual situation in Minnesota and Vikings coaches were caught off guard by it, they didn't realize how dangerous it was.

The NFL has since re-emphasized their education to players on hydration, and that teams should practice at night if it's too hot in the daytime.
 
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Krangthebrain said:
Because it is an amphetamine like substance, ephedra gets out of your system rather quickly, around 10-12 hours. It's such a toxic substance that your body rids itself of it quickly.

Drugs like ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, etc. all get out your system within a day or so, since all are such toxic substances. Marijuana doesn't, since your body can easily handle even high amounts of THC and the other associated chemicals.

Stringer probably took some ripped fuel, and by the time he died, his body had already metabolised it.

That was the time where the story started to "Fall apart". They didn't come out and say she thinks the Vikings planted it, they just sort of put that thought in your mind. There were no traces of it in his body, his wife then comes on and says he wasn't using it to her knowledge. "Could he have started using it without you knowing?" "NO" she said Kory called her the night before from camp to explain his vomiting in case his wife saw it on tv and got worried, told her about all the ridicule, told her he was "proud" of the fact he made it through the practice etc. In other words she said IF he'd been on ephedra, he would have told her then.

They had the VIkings trainer(ex or current I don't recall) and he said Stringer had always had a weight problem and it was his opinion that Korey was working very hard to lose weight and simply overworked himself into a heat stroke. Absolutely no question that Stringer has some blame in it too.

The one thing I did absolutely agree with was his wife pointing out how naive it is to say "he should have been drinking". If the situation was how she described it, they were basically put in a situaiton where any player that had trouble with the heat, was called a wuss, the exact OPPOSITE of what you want to do in that situation.

They had a US Today reporter on teh show too, he had a bunch of photos of Stringer he took that day, he said he noticed early on something was wrong, his eyes looked glazed over, he was "out of step with the team" all day, he seemed to be unable to stay focused. He caught him twice collapsed on the ground. That's where it became hard for me to not think the staff in Minnesota had some learning to do, if a reporter can literally show you photos of this guy collapsed on the field eyes glazed over, you have to wonder why none of the trainers noticed until it was too late?

I think we can all relate to such a situation from HS, I had a coach send me back into a game after a knee injury saying "put some ice on it you're going back in next timeout." Well a year later I found out that injury was a partially torn patellar tendon, but without a trained competent trainer on the bench, how was my coach supposed to know that? It hurt but not enough for me to realize it wasn't just twisted, so I played. Anybody who played sports understands the "pressure" to be tough.

Jim O thanks for the post I figured the Cards would be on top of this if any team was given the weather in Arizona.
 

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nidan said:
I seriously doubt it. All the Cardinals facilities are in Tempe, the new sigs are just a stadium. They do have a nice facility, it is roumored to be one of (if not the) best in the NFL.

I was thinking after Flagstaff when it's brutal here in the valley. All the Westsiders told us it's a short scenic drive to Glendale so it shouldn't be a big deal anyway. :D
 

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The problem was that so many people are so uneducated about what heat stroke is because it used to be not a big problem. It wasnt nearly a problem not to long ago, but has become a problem becuase of new supplements(ephedra is one of many), record wheater(heat), plus I feel the biggest impact as to why it is a problem today is that these players are so much bigger then the past and the need for excerise becuase of higher competition has been raised a lot.

Now a days not only are training staffs more educated on this topic but the players are as well. I would really doubt if we see this kind of thing happen again for a really, really long time.

A buddy of mine is a tennis coach for a high school and the district sent every single training staff and coach from every single school to a heat stroke - "how prevent it and how to treat it" seminar for 2 days(72 school districts and over 500 schools were represented). Plus when the coaches got back they had to teach there players in at least a 2 hour lecture on what they had learned from the seminar. My buddy said that he learned a lot of stuff that he had no idea about but was very important to know in his situation.
 

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joeshmo said:
The problem was that so many people are so uneducated about what heat stroke is because it used to be not a big problem. It wasnt nearly a problem not to long ago, but has become a problem becuase of new supplements(ephedra is one of many), record wheater(heat), plus I feel the biggest impact as to why it is a problem today is that these players are so much bigger then the past and the need for excerise becuase of higher competition has been raised a lot.

That is preposterous. I grew up in Florida and back in the 60's we carried people off of the ball fields in stacks because of heat stroke. In Florida , that was a common summertime occurence and still is.

Only Mad Dogs and Englishmen Go Out in the Noonday Sun.

Noel Coward 1924
 

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wallyburger said:
That is preposterous. I grew up in Florida and back in the 60's we carried people off of the ball fields in stacks because of heat stroke. In Florida , that was a common summertime occurence and still is.

Only Mad Dogs and Englishmen Go Out in the Noonday Sun.

Noel Coward 1924

But how many of them died. That was my point. There are different degrees of heat stroke. Being bigger, more competitive and supplements makes getting to the higher levels of heat stroke a lot easier ang getting to those high levels faster.

I remember reading a stat that when comparing the time spans from 1950 - 1989(40 years) compared to 1990-2002(13 years) more poeple died of sports related heat stroke in the last 13 years.
 

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vikesfan said:
Okay so you are not going to even give DG a chance. Great attitude. His record. The changes he has made. The moves he has made none of that matters. You compare him to a coach who couldn't hold his jockstrap and say that coach reign will be better. If DG can't make the Cards into a winner then be prepared for NEVER EVER having a winner here and lots of empty seats. Nothing factual to support your comment on DG vs Ryan - not one thing!

As for the Kory thing it was Tice not Green who made fun of Kory. She has lost her lawsuits if DG did something wrong he would have lost the lawsuit.

Your arrogance to claim if Green cannot succeed here that nobody ever will is hilarious. I mean, I have heard some strange and wacky stuff on this board from time to time, but that takes the cake. BTW, I don't need anything factual when I claim an opinion...which is what I did about Ryan.

If Green is as in charge as you claim he is all the time, then anything his coaches did, he knows about and presumably supports. He is in charge of what his coaches are up to at all times. He is the boss. Don't blame this on Tice, whom you hate. Green could have easily stopped it because it wasn't an isolated incident. His coaches were probably riding their guys all the time.

Anxiously awaiting the next installment of "As the Green Turns".
 

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