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Did I miss something here?


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/89682

May 14, 2007
Cardinals have tough decisions
Darren Urban, Tribune
The math doesn’t necessarily mesh for the Cardinals. Eighty-eight players on the roster. Less than $2 million in salary cap space.

Five unsigned drafted players. A few players that need contract extensions. And 83 signed players the team can have heading into training camp.

The work the Cards need to do over the next couple of months won’t be limited to minicamps or organized team activities, to the playing fields or the meeting rooms at the team’s Tempe complex.

“We know we will have to make adjustments, and we knew that early on,” vice president of football operations Rod Graves said.

The plan of Graves and coach Ken Whisenhunt was to bring in the maximum amount of players. Since the unsigned draftees don’t count (but can still practice), 88 became the magic number (three players are in NFL Europa).

As draftees sign, however, the team not only must come up with roster space but also cap space. The team also has budgeted for extensions: linebacker Karlos Dansby, heading into the final year of his contract, is a probable target.

The team also must at least think about upgrading the deals of receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson, both of whom are arguably outperforming their contracts based on today’s NFL salaries.

“If we need to rework deals (or) if we need to release players for cap room,” Graves said, “Ken and I have already discussed that we need to be prepared for that.”

Besides Dansby, receiver Bryant Johnson and linebacker Calvin Pace are both scheduled to become unrestricted free agents; neither will rate as high as Dansby for an extension.

Boldin, who just signed a contract extension with $10 million in bonuses in August of 2005, is making just $2 million this season and $2.5 million in 2008, numbers that pale in comparison to the new contract signed by Carolina receiver Steve Smith — whose recent statistics mirror Boldin’s.

Wilson, who signed an extension in December 2004 with a $4.5 million signing bonus, is making $3.25 million this season.

Boldin said he wasn’t thinking about a new contract but said the Cardinals are a “pretty fair organization” when it comes to seeing a player’s worth.

“They are pretty up front, and they want to keep guys up with the market,” Boldin said.

The team could also look at players such as defensive ends Bertrand Berry ($4 million salary) and Chike Okeafor ($4.5 million) and try to restructure the deals to free up cap space.

The money will become more important when the team gets down to serious negotiations with its top two draft picks, tackle Levi Brown and defensive tackle Alan Branch. Brown, as a top-five pick, is going to command a hefty deal.

Balancing the roster isn’t just about the salary cap, however.

Whisenhunt is only going to have so many practice snaps within the minicamps and much shorter organized team activities to decipher who is worthy to take to camp and who might be cut loose.

“We are trying to give everybody reps in situations where you can evaluate them,” Whisenhunt said.

As a new coach, however, Whisenhunt must learn everybody on the roster. That means finding time to watch veterans fit into the new schemes Whisenhunt has installed — and often, that means less practice time for the rookies fighting for a chance.

That’s another part of the equation working against the Cards. At least, some of them.

“You try not to (think about it), but it’s hard,” undrafted rookie cornerback Travarous Bain said. “You go home just hoping they don’t call you and say, ‘Bring your playbook.’ ”
 

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Eight-eight on the roster, and the numbers don't mesh? Really? They can't keep that many?

Thanks for that.


Not.
 

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Eight-eight on the roster, and the numbers don't mesh? Really? They can't keep that many?

Thanks for that.


Not.

It's more than that, though. Yes, you can cut roster hangers-on (Qasim Mitchell, anyone?) to free up space for your 3-7th round picks, but when you talking about first- and second-rounders, and extending players, you're going to have to cut more than minimum-salary players.

The salary cap number right now only counts the Top 52 salaries on the roster, not all the players.

Good depth players (like Reggie Wells, Nick Leckey, etc.) are the guys that you have to cut in order to make room for those picks. So you end up sacrificing your depth in order to bring in untested rookie players.

But I look at this roster, and I don't see a whole lot of depth. We have three average players at corner. One good safety, two good linebackers, if you add up all our defensive ends, you might have two above-average players, a couple good tackles... ugh.

I have no idea who we'd have to cut to get to the cap/extend players. If we're really saving money this season in order to get Starks and Faneca next season... well, 1) that would be reprehensible and 2) how would you like to be the guy to tell Anquan that we wasted another year of his prime to keep our powder dry, but we're really going to make an effort to win next season.
 

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I'm seriously confused, months ago we were signing contracts that extended caphits into the current year because we had the caproom and would thus have more caproom next year. Now we have to cut or restructure deals to sign our draft picks?

Ordinarily I would assume the article is wrong, but Urban is usually pretty dead on.

:confused:
 

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I'm seriously confused, months ago we were signing contracts that extended caphits into the current year because we had the caproom and would thus have more caproom next year. Now we have to cut or restructure deals to sign our draft picks?

Ordinarily I would assume the article is wrong, but Urban is usually pretty dead on.

:confused:

Jurecki reported the same thing, and according to him -- it was from the horses (Rod) mouth --

this really makes me wonder if they know what they are doing over there
 

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The salary cap number right now only counts the Top 52 salaries on the roster, not all the players.

Its the top 51.

Plus When the final cuts come a week before the season starts you now have to put under the cap, the 53 man roster, 8 PS players, and all of your injured players not on the 53 man roster.
 

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I'm seriously confused, months ago we were signing contracts that extended caphits into the current year because we had the caproom and would thus have more caproom next year. Now we have to cut or restructure deals to sign our draft picks?

Ordinarily I would assume the article is wrong, but Urban is usually pretty dead on.

:confused:

If we end up having to cut a starter or a solid back-up...this will be the biggest joke franchise in history.

It's one thing if you are winning or at least make a run at a championship, but to be a loser year in and year out for 20 years, move 10m into this year that you didn't need to, and then have to cut players that could contribute...:pullhair:

IF true...this franchise is sick.
 

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I have no idea who we'd have to cut to get to the cap/extend players. If we're really saving money this season in order to get Starks and Faneca next season... well, 1) that would be reprehensible and 2) how would you like to be the guy to tell Anquan that we wasted another year of his prime to keep our powder dry, but we're really going to make an effort to win next season.

What if this were the case? What if the Cards ended up cutting Reggie Wells and--say--Daryl Blackstock coming out of training camp. They don't have the money to extend Karlos Dansby, but start smearing him the way they did Leonard Davis and David Boston before letting him leave for nothing once the offseason rolls around.

The Cards finish 5-11, but sign Max Starks and Alan Faneca as free agents in the first week of the period to blockbuster deals (deals that make the signings of Leonard Davis and Eric Steinbach seem like pigeon feed) to go along with their Top 5 pick in the NFL draft.

Would you still stand by Whis and Graves, or would the stink of nepotism and wanting to surround themselves with their own players begin to moulder around the board?
 

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Would you still stand by Whis and Graves, or would the stink of nepotism and wanting to surround themselves with their own players begin to moulder around the board?

Well, that would explain the smell coming out of my computer. I was thinking a rat had somehow gotten in there and died.

The Shark

PS I have enough to concern me about this year, without worrying about some wild set of circumstances that might, or might not, occur next year.
 

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Correct IF TRUE, but then you have already assumed that to be the case.

Yep, if they have to cut Matt L to get under the cap I will be really pissed, in fact I am already as I know the FO is just plain incompetent.

Can't we at least wait until something bad happens before jumping off into the deep end.

In reading what Darren said, I see nothing to suggest that there is a problem. Just that right now today there is not enough cash to keep everybody and that the FO and coaching staff knew that early on.

Now some here are suggesting that this equates to knowing they have a problem but no idea what they are going to do about it. I assume you think RG will panic on cut day and make the decisions using a team list and a set of darts.

Did you ever consider they have plan already ?
 

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Smearing David Boston, now that's a joke.

This is the guy who couldn't make it anywhere after leaving here.

He was a head case
 

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Smearing David Boston, now that's a joke.

This is the guy who couldn't make it anywhere after leaving here.

He was a head case

Yeah, but they could have traded him for a box of rocks.
 

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nidan, look at joeshmo's spreadsheet and see how you're going to clear the $2 million in extra cap space for the rookie contracts and make a little more room for an in-season extention for Dansby.

Graves has a plan about what to do, Somers even notes it in the article:

“We know we will have to make adjustments, and we knew that early on,” vice president of football operations Rod Graves said.
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“If we need to rework deals (or) if we need to release players for cap room,” Graves said, “Ken and I have already discussed that we need to be prepared for that.”

The question is whether Graves can be trusted to have a good plan that makes the team competitive this season. Since Graves has failed to put together a competitive team in every season that he's been here, I think that doubt is probably a good mindset to have.

Although it's nice to have you shove words into people's mouths about having to cut Matt Leinart to get under the cap. Since that's exactly what people are saying here. But if we end up cutting Milford Brown, Reggie Wells, Brandon Gorin, 'Femi, and Bryant Johnson to get the rookies in, what will you say?

What if they cut Bertrand Berry?
 

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nidan, look at joeshmo's spreadsheet and see how you're going to clear the $2 million in extra cap space for the rookie contracts and make a little more room for an in-season extention for Dansby.

Graves has a plan about what to do, Somers even notes it in the article:



The question is whether Graves can be trusted to have a good plan that makes the team competitive this season. Since Graves has failed to put together a competitive team in every season that he's been here, I think that doubt is probably a good mindset to have.

Although it's nice to have you shove words into people's mouths about having to cut Matt Leinart to get under the cap. Since that's exactly what people are saying here. But if we end up cutting Milford Brown, Reggie Wells, Brandon Gorin, 'Femi, and Bryant Johnson to get the rookies in, what will you say?

What if they cut Bertrand Berry?

I would only squawk about Milford, if I hadn't pledged to agree with everything the Cards do.
 

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I would only squawk about Milford, if I hadn't pledged to agree with everything the Cards do.

:D

That's the thing. A lot of people squawked about the great depth we have on the roster, but I really don't see it. We have more mediocre players competing for starting jobs (Gandy, Wells, L. Brown [until proven otherwise], Ross), but that's only because we don't have m/any top-line starters at many positions.

On defense: Defensive end is competitive, but none of these guys are among the Top 15 players at their position in the NFL. Defensive Tackle seems secure, but if one injury happens we could be in trouble. Cornerback is a mess, where we have three good nickel defenders but no one really good enough to start. Safety has one outstanding player in Wilson, and then two guys who would struggle for a starting job on 75% of the rosters in the NFL. Linebacker is a really, really struggling position. People seem to overlook the fact that you need to have really good linebackers to be competitive with a 3-4 defense, and this team has one guy that's good in Dansby and one guy that's good for 12 games in Hayes. That's it. Blackstock and Brandon Johnson are bubble players right now.

On offense: 2 WRs are very, very good, but Bryant Johnson doesn't seem to justify his salary, and the media coverage about some of the guys in camp seems to suggest that he might be on the bubble. TE is a mess with Leonard Pope being one-dimensional and a bunch of people that nobody wanted. The OT situation remains embarrassing for all but the most deluded fans. OG has good competition among M. Brown, R. Wells, D. Lutui, and maybe/hopefully M. Gandy, but only Lutui seems to have real promise. C has good depth with Johnson and Leckey, but who knows if Leckey will be here after this season? QB is great with Leinart and Warner, but there's a lot of money invested there. RB has a good starter but questionable depth behind him. FB is marginal.
 

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But if we end up cutting Milford Brown, Reggie Wells, Brandon Gorin, 'Femi, and Bryant Johnson to get the rookies in, what will you say?

What if they cut Bertrand Berry?

Considering how "well" those players produced last year in the clutch, I'd say good riddance. Berry's great buy can't stay healthy. Johnson is a great receiver that can't catch, Anyanbadejo is a good all-around football player but not fast enough to be a tailback, not big enough to be an every down blocking fullback, Milford Brown is an ok guard, & I've never ever been impressed by Reggie Wells. I remember one of the last games of Wells' rookie season when an outside linebacker from Carolina was lighting him up all game & overpowering him. I've said he's a bad player ever since then.

Those cuts are inevitable IMO. Do you think they're championship-caliber players? Seriously?
 

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That's the thing. A lot of people squawked about the great depth we have on the roster, but I really don't see it. We have more mediocre players competing for starting jobs (Gandy, Wells, L. Brown [until proven otherwise], Ross), but that's only because we don't have m/any top-line starters at many positions.

On defense: Defensive end is competitive, but none of these guys are among the Top 15 players at their position in the NFL. Defensive Tackle seems secure, but if one injury happens we could be in trouble. Cornerback is a mess, where we have three good nickel defenders but no one really good enough to start. Safety has one outstanding player in Wilson, and then two guys who would struggle for a starting job on 75% of the rosters in the NFL. Linebacker is a really, really struggling position. People seem to overlook the fact that you need to have really good linebackers to be competitive with a 3-4 defense, and this team has one guy that's good in Dansby and one guy that's good for 12 games in Hayes. That's it. Blackstock and Brandon Johnson are bubble players right now.

On offense: 2 WRs are very, very good, but Bryant Johnson doesn't seem to justify his salary, and the media coverage about some of the guys in camp seems to suggest that he might be on the bubble. TE is a mess with Leonard Pope being one-dimensional and a bunch of people that nobody wanted. The OT situation remains embarrassing for all but the most deluded fans. OG has good competition among M. Brown, R. Wells, D. Lutui, and maybe/hopefully M. Gandy, but only Lutui seems to have real promise. C has good depth with Johnson and Leckey, but who knows if Leckey will be here after this season? QB is great with Leinart and Warner, but there's a lot of money invested there. RB has a good starter but questionable depth behind him. FB is marginal.

That is a very fair and balanced look at this roster. I cannot say I dissagree with any of that.
 

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Nidan I'm sure Rod has a plan, my point is I'm sure he had a plan a few months ago when he rolled all the extra money into this years cap too.

it just seems very odd that suddenly we might have a cap problem in a year where we had such a big cushion we intentionally took caphits we didn't have to take?

I don't think anybody is expecting Leinart to get cut, but if we have to restructure or cut players to get under the cap I'll sure be a little stunned.
 

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But if we end up cutting Milford Brown, Reggie Wells, Brandon Gorin, 'Femi, and Bryant Johnson to get the rookies in, what will you say?

What if they cut Bertrand Berry?

Milford Brown - If he can't win a roster spot then, buh bye

Reggie Wells - I really would not want to see him leave. He is too good of a player and can play G/T

Brandon Gorin - Bye! We have plenty of G/T and Gorin is a T/ benchwarmer.

Femi - One of my favorite players....but so long

Bryant Johnson - GONE! We pay way too much for him, and our 3WR sets will be a thing of the past next year.

B-Train - I hope we try to renegotiate.

More guys to look at with regards to cuts:

C.Okeafor - See Berry

C.Pace/D.Blackstock - One of these guys has got to go.

Elton Brown - Buh bye

I can't think of anymore.
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As for this ridiculous tongue in cheek about dropping Matt Leinart, and Graves not having a plan.

Graves has a plan. It is his job to have a plan. Is it a good plan? Who knows? If the past shows anything then it isn't a good plan.

I for one would like some accountability when it comes to who stays and who goes. I hope some people are able to humble themselves and cut who deserves to be cut.

I really hope one of "Rod's guys" or "Whiz's guys" or "Bidwill's guys" don't make the team so that one of these three power players doesn't look embarrassed.

Does Calvin Pace really need to stay on this team?

Does Bryant Johnson ?

Looking at the cap sheet #5 - #25 there are guys that are making way too much for what they produce:


5 Chiki Okeafer DE $5,400,000
6 Antrel Rolle CB $5,150,000
7 Berry Bertrand DE $5,000,000
8 Kurt Warner QB $5,000,000
9 Adrian Wilson S $4,150,000
10 Anquan Boldin WR $4,000,000
11 Holt, Terrance FS $4,000,000
12 Hood, Roderick CB $3,500,000
13 Oliver Ross OL $3,500,000
14 Milford Brown OG $3,087,500
15 Shipp, Marcel RB $2,250,000
16 Kendric Clancy DT $2,025,000
17 Reggie Wells G $1,600,000
18 Gandy, Mike OL $1,433,333
19 Karlos Dansby LB $1,419,000
20 Calvin Pace DE $1,411,250
21 Leckey, Nick C/G $1,300,000
22 Neil Rackers K $1,237,500
23 Docket, Darnell DT $1,210,000
24 Bryant Johnson WR $1,121,250
25 JJ Arrington RB $960,000

M.Brown + C.Pace + B.Johnson + J.Arrington = 6,580,000
 
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it just seems very odd that suddenly we might have a cap problem in a year where we had such a big cushion we intentionally took caphits we didn't have to take?

Odd...is an understatement.

Completely inept is probably more accurate.

I love how everyone is now justifying Cards mgmnt now...this guys sucks, that guy is overpaid, he deserves to be cut, etc. IF this happens the Cards are a joke of a franchise and they have the most loyal fans ever created.
 
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Nidan I'm sure Rod has a plan, my point is I'm sure he had a plan a few months ago when he rolled all the extra money into this years cap too.

it just seems very odd that suddenly we might have a cap problem in a year where we had such a big cushion we intentionally took caphits we didn't have to take?

I don't think anybody is expecting Leinart to get cut, but if we have to restructure or cut players to get under the cap I'll sure be a little stunned.

My feeling as well. I thought the whole point of the roster bonus v. the signing bonus was to get everything in this years cap and yet it appears as though they didn't keep the proper cushion in place to sign the rookies without restructuring or outright cutting a player. That seems to bit a bit strange.

The really strange thing is Rod apparently told Jurecki the cuts/restructures would come THIS week.
 

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Is a potential cap problem on May 14th that much of a problem? Or a some people worried about the Cards not being able to sign a June 1 Cap Casualty?


:)
 

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Is a potential cap problem on May 14th that much of a problem?
:)

Yes...Any cap problem on a team that has had 19 out of the last 20 losing season is a big problem. Especially, when they came into the offseason with one of the highest cap rooms in the NFL and blew 10m for no new players or extensions on current ones.
 

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Yes...Any cap problem on a team that has had 19 out of the last 20 losing season is a big problem. Especially, when they came into the offseason with one of the highest cap rooms in the NFL and blew 10m for no new players or extensions on current ones.

:bigyawn:
 

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Considering how "well" those players produced last year in the clutch, I'd say good riddance. Berry's great buy can't stay healthy. Johnson is a great receiver that can't catch, Anyanbadejo is a good all-around football player but not fast enough to be a tailback, not big enough to be an every down blocking fullback, Milford Brown is an ok guard, & I've never ever been impressed by Reggie Wells. I remember one of the last games of Wells' rookie season when an outside linebacker from Carolina was lighting him up all game & overpowering him. I've said he's a bad player ever since then.

Those cuts are inevitable IMO. Do you think they're championship-caliber players? Seriously?

Honestly, I don't really want any of those guys starting. But I think that 'Femi is a good depth/special teams player and probably as good an RB as Marcel Shipp is, if not better. I've said for three years that Reggie Wells is a superior 6th lineman who can sub in at all of the OL positions and not make a fool of himself. Milford Brown is a competitive OG who can likely sub in on either side.

This team went into the offseason proclaiming that they weren't looking for top-shelf starters, but instead depth and competition. If they let Wells/'Femi/Brown leave, then they gut the depth that they've been trying to build all offseason.

I think you win a championship with guys like Wells, Femi, and Milford Brown on your roster.
 
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