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In 2004, Denny Green had the #3 pick in the draft and selected Larry Legend. At the time, the Cards had Anquan Boldin and Byrant Johnson on the roster. WR was not a priority need pick at the time. In our QB room, we had Josh McCown, Shaun King, and added John Navarre in the 7th round of that 2004 draft.

In 2003, the Cards went 4-12 and still went with WR at #3. Denny Green knew who Fitz was and who he would become—he knew Fitz from high school and when was a ball boy for the Vikes.

Guess the Cards record for the following seasons? Cards went 6-10, a 2 game difference over their record of 4-12 in 2003. Not much better in 2005 (5-11), 2006 (5-11). It was not until 2007 that the Cards put up an 8-8 record.

Should we celebrate Fitz’s induction into the HOF with that kind of impact? One SB appearance over a HOF career? Guess who went at #4 after we took a ‘low priority’ WR: Philip Rivers by the Giants. (Eli Manning went to Chargers and refused which lead to flip of players). Rivers went on to a put up a HOF-worthy career and was still active as late as last year with the Colts. Like Fitz, he couldn’t get the Chargers to SB winners. Here’s Rivers stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm
He stands at 134-109 career record.

Also passed over in that draft was Ben Roethlisberger at #11. He went on to a 165-81-1 record and two SB wins. We passed on Big Ben and took Fitz??? That might be even more painful than passing on Rivers.

John Navarre was our QB add—in the 7th round.

Should the Cards have taken Rivers in that draft? Big Ben? By all rationale of position priority, we should have taken either Rivers or Big Ben. By all rationale of need, we should have taken one of those QBs. Would our team history have been better with QB Rivers or Big Ben at #3 instead of WR Fitz? Would you rather have 2 SB wins with Big Ben over Fitz's HOF career as the face of the Cards???

In this draft, we don’t have the same dilemma. Ty Simpson is no Philip Rivers or Big Ben. We do have a RB Love who has same ‘It’ factor that Denny Green saw in Fitz. I’m no Denny Green, but I know what Love is. Take the BPA who has the ‘It’ factor and figure the rest of the roster later.
 

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Denny was taking Fitz no matter what. If we hadn't beaten the Vikings and knocked them out of the playoffs in the last game of 2003, we would have had the number one pick. Denny was on record saying the pick still would have been Fitz.

It is sad, looking back, that John Navarre was the QB we went with in that draft. Had to be better prospects in earlier rounds or free agency. Imagine Larry's number if he had top QBs throwing to him his entire career...
 

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I was living in Minnesota and a Viking fan when Denny was their Head Coach. He drafted Randy Moss with the 21st pick when every other team passed on him. In fact he purposely had the draft pick go up immediately for Moss when the Viking got on the clock to show how much he wanted and valued him. Moss was a mentor for Larry Fitzgerald.
 
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Denny was taking Fitz no matter what. If we hadn't beaten the Vikings and knocked them out of the playoffs in the last game of 2003, we would have had the number one pick. Denny was on record saying the pick still would have been Fitz.

It is sad, looking back, that John Navarre was the QB we went with in that draft. Had to be better prospects in earlier rounds or free agency. Imagine Larry's number if he had top QBs throwing to him his entire career...
17 QBs went in that draft.


The link is already sorted. If it doesn't show, select the 'POS' in the heading of this table and the positions will sort alphabetically to view the QB position.

That 2004 draft class was stocked with some players who went on to have great careers. WR Williams went after Fitz, RB Steven Jackson went #24 in the 1st, on-and-on.
 
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Denny was taking Fitz no matter what. If we hadn't beaten the Vikings and knocked them out of the playoffs in the last game of 2003, we would have had the number one pick. Denny was on record saying the pick still would have been Fitz.
100%. Fitz was already family friends with Green as well. It was one of the most obvious picks we've had.
 

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Denny would draft Love and not think twice about it.
I actually think Denny would’ve taken Sonny Styles in this position.

Larry wasn’t just the best WR in his draft class; he was unbelievable as a prospect. WR value wasn’t as high then as it is today.
 

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17 QBs went in that draft.


The link is already sorted. If it doesn't show, select the 'POS' in the heading of this table and the positions will sort alphabetically to view the QB position.

That 2004 draft class was stocked with some players who went on to have great careers. WR Williams went after Fitz, RB Steven Jackson went #24 in the 1st, on-and-on.
Wow. Thin QB prospects. We drafted Navarre but didn't really play him much at all.
 

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17 QBs went in that draft.


The link is already sorted. If it doesn't show, select the 'POS' in the heading of this table and the positions will sort alphabetically to view the QB position.

That 2004 draft class was stocked with some players who went on to have great careers. WR Williams went after Fitz, RB Steven Jackson went #24 in the 1st, on-and-on.
I see...click on POS to see the Cardinals QB selection?
Makes perfect sense.
 

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I wish Denny was still around to run our drafts. Both Monti and Keim have tended to take players higher than projected. Where as Denny took talented guys who were dropping. Like Dansby and Dockett.
If either of those guys could have just taken down Big Ben in Tampa on the Steelers' last drive, we would have a Super Bowl banner hanging in our stadium. So close.
 

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In 2004, Denny Green had the #3 pick in the draft and selected Larry Legend. At the time, the Cards had Anquan Boldin and Byrant Johnson on the roster. WR was not a priority need pick at the time. In our QB room, we had Josh McCown, Shaun King, and added John Navarre in the 7th round of that 2004 draft.

In 2003, the Cards went 4-12 and still went with WR at #3. Denny Green knew who Fitz was and who he would become—he knew Fitz from high school and when was a ball boy for the Vikes.

Guess the Cards record for the following seasons? Cards went 6-10, a 2 game difference over their record of 4-12 in 2003. Not much better in 2005 (5-11), 2006 (5-11). It was not until 2007 that the Cards put up an 8-8 record.

Should we celebrate Fitz’s induction into the HOF with that kind of impact? One SB appearance over a HOF career? Guess who went at #4 after we took a ‘low priority’ WR: Philip Rivers by the Giants. (Eli Manning went to Chargers and refused which lead to flip of players). Rivers went on to a put up a HOF-worthy career and was still active as late as last year with the Colts. Like Fitz, he couldn’t get the Chargers to SB winners. Here’s Rivers stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm
He stands at 134-109 career record.

Also passed over in that draft was Ben Roethlisberger at #11. He went on to a 165-81-1 record and two SB wins. We passed on Big Ben and took Fitz??? That might be even more painful than passing on Rivers.

John Navarre was our QB add—in the 7th round.

Should the Cards have taken Rivers in that draft? Big Ben? By all rationale of position priority, we should have taken either Rivers or Big Ben. By all rationale of need, we should have taken one of those QBs. Would our team history have been better with QB Rivers or Big Ben at #3 instead of WR Fitz? Would you rather have 2 SB wins with Big Ben over Fitz's HOF career as the face of the Cards???

In this draft, we don’t have the same dilemma. Ty Simpson is no Philip Rivers or Big Ben. We do have a RB Love who has same ‘It’ factor that Denny Green saw in Fitz. I’m no Denny Green, but I know what Love is. Take the BPA who has the ‘It’ factor and figure the rest of the roster later.
None of those dudes were winning a Super Bowl coming to AZ so it really doesn’t matter.

We could have Tom freaking Brady and we would be Super Bowless for enternity.
 
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None of those dudes were winning a Super Bowl coming to AZ so it really doesn’t matter.

We could have Tom freaking Brady and we would be Super Bowless for enternity.
One of those QB's kept us from winning the SB in our only appearance. We'll never know??? No Fitz but a Big Ben????
 

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Key quarterbacks selected in the 2004 draft include:
  • Eli Manning (Round 1, Pick 1):Selected by the San Diego Chargers and traded to the New York Giants.
  • Philip Rivers (Round 1, Pick 4):Selected by the New York Giants and traded to the San Diego Chargers.
  • Ben Roethlisberger (Round 1, Pick 11): Selected by the Pittsburgh Steelers.
  • J.P. Losman (Round 1, Pick 22):Selected by the Buffalo Bills.
  • Matt Schaub (Round 3, Pick 90):Selected by the Atlanta Falcons.
  • Luke McCown (Round 4, Pick 106): Selected by the Cleveland Browns.
  • Craig Krenzel (Round 5, Pick 148):Selected by the Chicago Bears.
  • Jim Sorgi (Round 6, Pick 191):Selected by the Indianapolis Colts.
  • Jeff Smoker (Round 6, Pick 201):Selected by the St. Louis Rams.
  • John Navarre (Round 7, Pick 202):Selected by the Arizona Cardinals.
  • B.J. Symons (Round 7, Pick 248):Selected by the Houston Texans
 

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One of those QB's kept us from winning the SB in our only appearance. We'll never know??? No Fitz but a Big Ben????
I could only dream we are anywhere near the Steelers level.

I hate them but they have their crap together on a level we will never know about.
 

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So Grave’s one year of full control post-Ferguson/pre-Denny was the 03’ draft only?
That is how I remember it. I remember him and McGinnis being interviewed on ESPN right after it happened and McGinnis looked like he was going to throw up.
 
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