Chopper0080
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There is no point in trading a premium pass rusher who is a leader on your team to hopefully draft a premium pass rusher who you hope becomes a leader on your team. It is a stupid move.
Are the Raiders wrong to trade Mack? I'm not so sure
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I think their plan is for Arden Key to pick up some of that slack...
Southpaw
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"Reggie McKenzie said "more than half the league" inquired to trade DE Khalil Mack. Club narrowed suitors to teams who Raiders believed had chance to present high first-round pick in 2019."
In a division with Vikings , Packers, Lions the Bears most likely will not make the playoffs.
Why assume they will use 1of those draft picks for a replacement. Gruden likes offense and they could use skill players.
In a division with Vikings , Packers, Lions the Bears most likely will not make the playoffs.
Why assume they will use 1of those draft picks for a replacement. Gruden likes offense and they could use skill players.
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Packers’ roster isn’t really that good outside of Rodgers, but it is Rodgers.
I’ll be shocked if the Bears aren’t better than the Lions. I think the Lions win a max of 6 games this year. I’m not sold on them at all.
Vikings, I’ll give you that.
Chopper0080
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Again...Raiders paying 100 mil to Gruden to burn that franchise to the ground.
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Lions are an unknown factor with Matt Patricia regime in 1st year. Jim Caldwell is and was a franchise killing HC. Retained Jim Bob Cooter for Stafford.
WisconsinCard
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Maybe he is still po'd they traded him?
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Jesus. Could you imagine?
Rams COO Kevin Demoff said the team offered the Raiders an "aggressive package" for Khalil Mack before Oakland traded him to the Bears.
The Rams are working wonders with the salary cap this offseason, and if they'd have landed Mack, we're not sure this team could be stopped. It's fun to think about, but obviously didn't happen. Demoff said the Raiders turned down the Rams' offer because Oakland thought the Rams' picks would be too low in the order. For all the acquisitions and contracts the Rams have handed out this year, they still have a ton of cap room in 2019 and beyond. Edge rusher is truly the only real weakness on this roster, but they make up for it with Aaron Donald and the secondary.
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Source: Los Angeles Times
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Rams COO Kevin Demoff said the team offered the Raiders an "aggressive package" for Khalil Mack before Oakland traded him to the Bears.
The Rams are working wonders with the salary cap this offseason, and if they'd have landed Mack, we're not sure this team could be stopped. It's fun to think about, but obviously didn't happen. Demoff said the Raiders turned down the Rams' offer because Oakland thought the Rams' picks would be too low in the order. For all the acquisitions and contracts the Rams have handed out this year, they still have a ton of cap room in 2019 and beyond. Edge rusher is truly the only real weakness on this roster, but they make up for it with Aaron Donald and the secondary.
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Source: Los Angeles Times
Sep 5 - 10:38 PM
Buckybird
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You never trade your best player, especially when he’s a star & not wanting out!
I think Gruden has 1 leg in the grave & will be back in the booth within 3 years after the Raiduhs stink & he’s fired. Or maybe they trade him back to Tampa Bay lol
I think Gruden has 1 leg in the grave & will be back in the booth within 3 years after the Raiduhs stink & he’s fired. Or maybe they trade him back to Tampa Bay lol
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I still have no idea how the Rams can stock up with so many premier players and not blow up the cap.
We barely have any space left and have so many holes left to fill.
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Gruden had a loooooong run of mediocrity after the superbowl win. I'm not wild about his chances with the Raiders, but I can see this trade better from the Raiders perspective than the Bears. Mack is a great player, but would you rather have 25 million in cap space and 2 future firsts from a team that will, IMO, be lousy... or Mack?
The only position I think worth going bonkers financially with is QB, after QB your roster needs balance. I don't think the Raiders were winning a superbowl in the next few years with Mack, but locking him into that contract should would have made adjusting their roster difficult.
The Bears on the other hand... I really don't get it from their end. They have a LOT of holes. They're not a star defender away from contention. Even if Trubisky is a stud, and that is a big if, he needs weapons... a line, their defense has plenty of holes. I just don't get it for them. Unless Mack goes out there and injures Rogers and 5 Vikings, I don't see the profit for them.
The only position I think worth going bonkers financially with is QB, after QB your roster needs balance. I don't think the Raiders were winning a superbowl in the next few years with Mack, but locking him into that contract should would have made adjusting their roster difficult.
The Bears on the other hand... I really don't get it from their end. They have a LOT of holes. They're not a star defender away from contention. Even if Trubisky is a stud, and that is a big if, he needs weapons... a line, their defense has plenty of holes. I just don't get it for them. Unless Mack goes out there and injures Rogers and 5 Vikings, I don't see the profit for them.
THESMEL
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We Have the top pass rusher in the nfl- the stupid winnest ever patriots traded him to us for the same reason- I respect belicheck and Grudens decision on that point.
THESMEL
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Well they lost and received top draft picks for years - under rookie contracts - as many hit pay days they have to make tough choices like raiders and patriots did with CJ and we did with CC - it’s a big part of parity in the modern NFL - quite brilliant compared to the player locked down NBA.
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What holes do they have on defense? Maybe CB2 & slot CB, but outside of that, they’re pretty set at the other positions. They were already a top 10 defense without Mack, now you add him with them? Woo.
They went out & got weapons for Trubisky. Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller in the 2nd round, Javon Wims, & Taylor Gabriel is a solid core. Maybe Kevin White can stay healthy too which would be a bonus.
I feel like a majority of you guys here are heavily underestimating the Bears’ offseason.
Chopper0080
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First and foremost, Gruden is not Belichick. Secondly, you can't find anyone who is saying that the Pats made the correct move in trading Chandler Jones. It will be the same if Jimmy G turns out to be a Pro Bowler.
THESMEL
Smushdown! Take it like a fan!
I’m saying it - I matter too- they traded him because of salary cap - hard decision that worked out good for cards, Jones and pats went to the SB again. Would they have liked to keep him - as much as raiders would have liked to keep Mack and the Cards would have liked to keep CC - so to kick gruden in the nuts because raiders would be crippled by matching the Bears offer - or Mack taking less would be unfortunate for somebody - I mean compared to the NBA competition fiasco - I like this better. I mean I would like to have every great Dr in the world - but can’t afford it
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Fact...... Raiders have the oldest locker room roster in the NFL. 27 + years of age.
Opinion....... Older players do not get better and the Raiders are mired in mediocrity.
Opinion..... Fastest , safest, cheapest way to get younger is through the draft.
Opinion....... Older players do not get better and the Raiders are mired in mediocrity.
Opinion..... Fastest , safest, cheapest way to get younger is through the draft.
Buckybird
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Lol
Comparing Gruden/Bellicheat & Calais/Mack (at this stage of careers) is laughable. But hey, you think the only way to win a SB is 45 rushes a game & that Leenart was the best QB god has ever created.
This trade only works if the Raiduhs pick 2 pretty good players with those draft picks, when they had an absolute beast in hand!!! I’m betting this bites the team in the ass long term & Gruden is out within 3 years max! Thesmel let’s not act like the salary cap can’t be munipulated almost anyway you want based on structuring & $$$ paid because it can.
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, I hope this deal does not work out for either team. I could'nt care less.
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WisconsinCard
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, I hope this deal does not work out for either team. I could care less.
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In think you meant you couldn't care less...
gimpy
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Well, obviously you knew what I meant, THX and edited.
, THX and edited.
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As long as Keim isn't drafting them they have a chance.
I don't think they are wrong,,, but what do I know?
Sometimes you know someone has value but they are just too toxic to keep around, maybe the Raiders reached that point. I dont know, but we have all probably reached a point with a co-worker or a team member who was good, but was just too much of a pain in the arse to deal with anymore.
I dont know the whole story with Mack. Just saying, don't be a dbag...
Sometimes you know someone has value but they are just too toxic to keep around, maybe the Raiders reached that point. I dont know, but we have all probably reached a point with a co-worker or a team member who was good, but was just too much of a pain in the arse to deal with anymore.
I dont know the whole story with Mack. Just saying, don't be a dbag...
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Reggie McKenzie is in fact a worse drafter than Keim, tbh.
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To me, it might not even be the first round picks as much as giving so much money to one guy. The teams that have super stars other than QB's that have signed their big contracts seem to have a hard time winning a superbowl again. The teams that seem to do real well are the ones who have a lot of above average players before they sign their big contracts. Once they give a bucket load of cash to a few of them they seem to fall off the map. Maybe they should trade them at that point and just "hope" they always have young up and comers, I know that would bite them in the ass from time to time but the alternative is running out of money to have balance.
The reason why the Ram's can pay right now is because they have a QB on a rookie contract, wait until he gets paid..kind of like the Seahawks and see what happens. I think these days that's the best key for success, a QB on their first contract developing faster than people expected...
The Patriots seem to always have one of the least sexy teams except for Brady who has taken a pay cut. I guess they have Gronk, who although always seems to be an important weapon is hurt more than half of the time and the Patriots still win. The teams with the superstar receivers or DE's who have been paid don't seem to win the big one...
I still say you your QB, the most important position by far.. Second I would invest in the Oline, because if your QB gets hurt it kind of defeats the purpose. I guess that' what the patriots do. It sucks to have an average D-line or receiver core but at least nobody gets hurt because of it...
The reason why the Ram's can pay right now is because they have a QB on a rookie contract, wait until he gets paid..kind of like the Seahawks and see what happens. I think these days that's the best key for success, a QB on their first contract developing faster than people expected...
The Patriots seem to always have one of the least sexy teams except for Brady who has taken a pay cut. I guess they have Gronk, who although always seems to be an important weapon is hurt more than half of the time and the Patriots still win. The teams with the superstar receivers or DE's who have been paid don't seem to win the big one...
I still say you your QB, the most important position by far.. Second I would invest in the Oline, because if your QB gets hurt it kind of defeats the purpose. I guess that' what the patriots do. It sucks to have an average D-line or receiver core but at least nobody gets hurt because of it...
