A final pre-combine mock (Cards only)

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think we mostly agree that Boldin will be traded. I'm going with him going to the Dolphins for Ginn and a 3rd.

1- Jermain Gresham, TE: Whiz saw first hand what Jermichael Finley can do to a defense. Gresham is that type of TE.

2- Devin McCourty, CB: On the smaller side but he's competitive and can cover. Him, Toler, and DRC give the Cards a good young nucleus at the CB position.

3a- Sean Lee, ILB: He's a first round talent but had a knee issue at PSU. He recovered nicely last year and could start from day 1.

3b- Jermaine Cunningham, DE/OLB: He has the perfect size for a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers/ Cards mode. In my mind he's a bit underrated but he was very productive at Florida.

4-Torell Troupe, NT: I'm hoping he's still there. There's a good chance he's gone but the farther Cody falls the farther Troupe falls. Plus all the teams keeping their NT means less of a need.

5- Jonathon Crompton, QB: He's an ideal future QB prospect. He has good size, good arm strength and played at a good college. I think he's a guy who could really develop with good coaching.

6- O'brien Schoefield,LB: Was a terror all year and would have been drafted much higher had he not hurt his knee. Draft him, put him on IR for the year, and he'll be like having another 2nd rounder next year. Much like Cody Brown this year.

7- Doug Worthington, DT: I think he's an ideal 3-4 DE. He has some nice potential and showed flashes at OSU. Could turn out to be another late round steal.

 

[cardpa]

I think we mostly agree that Boldin will be traded. I'm going with him going to the Dolphins for Ginn and a 3rd.

1- Jermain Gresham, TE: Whiz saw first hand what Jermichael Finley can do to a defense. Gresham is that type of TE.

2- Devin McCourty, CB: On the smaller side but he's competitive and can cover. Him, Toler, and DRC give the Cards a good young nucleus at the CB position.

3a- Sean Lee, ILB: He's a first round talent but had a knee issue at PSU. He recovered nicely last year and could start from day 1.

3b- Jermaine Cunningham, DE/OLB: He has the perfect size for a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers/ Cards mode. In my mind he's a bit underrated but he was very productive at Florida.

4-Torell Troupe, NT: I'm hoping he's still there. There's a good chance he's gone but the farther Cody falls the farther Troupe falls. Plus all the teams keeping their NT means less of a need.

5- Jonathon Crompton, QB: He's an ideal future QB prospect. He has good size, good arm strength and played at a good college. I think he's a guy who could really develop with good coaching.

6- O'brien Schoefield,LB: Was a terror all year and would have been drafted much higher had he not hurt his knee. Draft him, put him on IR for the year, and he'll be like having another 2nd rounder next year. Much like Cody Brown this year.

7- Doug Worthington, DT: I think he's an ideal 3-4 DE. He has some nice potential and showed flashes at OSU. Could turn out to be another late round steal.

The thing I like about Lee besides being first round talent that can be had in the third is he is a 3 down LB.

 

[lobo]

I think we mostly agree that Boldin will be traded. I'm going with him going to the Dolphins for Ginn and a 3rd.


thoughtfully done..believable ...aside from always following the money here is one more appropriate when "scouting",,,,,,,,,believe your eyes!! Don't try and rationalize stuff that has not happened. Tebow is a perfect example of a guy who ain't goin' nowhere but now is a PR w-- dream

 

[Chopper0080]

1- Sean Weatherspoon - ILB
2- Morgan Burnett - FS
3a- Brandon Ghee - CB
3b- Jimmy Graham - TE
4- Cam Thomas - NT
5- Cameron Sheffield - OLB
6- Boris Lee - ILB
7- O'Brian Schofield - OLB

The last couple rounds are a crap shoot, so ???.

 

[Zeno]

5- Jonathon Crompton, QB: He's an ideal future QB prospect. He has good size, good arm strength and played at a good college. I think he's a guy who could really develop with good coaching.

As someone who watched a lot of Volunteer football this past season I don't really like that guy, terribly inconsistent and once things start going bad he totally goes in the tank. He has all the "measurables" arm strength, size and he seems like a good character guy but he is missing a lot of the intangibles.

Ainge was a better college QB and he was drafted in round 5--expect Crompton to go no sooner than round 7(if he is drafted at all).

 

[Catfish]

I think we mostly agree that Boldin will be traded. I'm going with him going to the Dolphins for Ginn and a 3rd.

1- Jermain Gresham, TE: Whiz saw first hand what Jermichael Finley can do to a defense. Gresham is that type of TE.

2- Devin McCourty, CB: On the smaller side but he's competitive and can cover. Him, Toler, and DRC give the Cards a good young nucleus at the CB position.

3a- Sean Lee, ILB: He's a first round talent but had a knee issue at PSU. He recovered nicely last year and could start from day 1.

3b- Jermaine Cunningham, DE/OLB: He has the perfect size for a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers/ Cards mode. In my mind he's a bit underrated but he was very productive at Florida.

4-Torell Troupe, NT: I'm hoping he's still there. There's a good chance he's gone but the farther Cody falls the farther Troupe falls. Plus all the teams keeping their NT means less of a need.

5- Jonathon Crompton, QB: He's an ideal future QB prospect. He has good size, good arm strength and played at a good college. I think he's a guy who could really develop with good coaching.

6- O'brien Schoefield,LB: Was a terror all year and would have been drafted much higher had he not hurt his knee. Draft him, put him on IR for the year, and he'll be like having another 2nd rounder next year. Much like Cody Brown this year.

7- Doug Worthington, DT: I think he's an ideal 3-4 DE. He has some nice potential and showed flashes at OSU. Could turn out to be another late round steal.

Cbus-----this is as good a selection grouping as I have seen yet, but I have a question. Is the fact that you have two 3rd round picks based on the fact that you traded Q, or is there some other reason you gave yourself two picks there. If it is based on trading Q, I might be inclined to keep him, and pass on Jermaine Cunningham, opting instead to take an OLB in free agency. We should still be able to get Troupe in the 4th.

I might take John Skelton out of Fordham for a QB then instead of Crompton, and finish up with Schoefield and Worthington like you did.

If you got two third round picks some other way, I would look at that though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cbus-----this is as good a selection grouping as I have seen yet, but I have a question. Is the fact that you have two 3rd round picks based on the fact that you traded Q, or is there some other reason you gave yourself two picks there. If it is based on trading Q, I might be inclined to keep him, and pass on Jermaine Cunningham, opting instead to take an OLB in free agency. We should still be able to get Troupe in the 4th.

I might take John Skelton out of Fordham for a QB then instead of Crompton, and finish up with Schoefield and Worthington like you did.

If you got two third round picks some other way, I would look at that though.

Thanks, i was using a trade of Boldin to Miami for Ginn and a 3rd round pick.

 

[joeshmo]

The precombine mock draft - Trade Edition

Boldin traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd rounder and one of their two 7th rounders.

We trade out of the first round with the Browns who trade up with some of the 11 total draft picks. Cards give #26 and their own 7th for #38 and #71.

I am going to assume we sign these three free agents - OLB Joey Porter, FB/HBack Brandon Manumaleuna, QB Charlie Batch

My usual draft disclaimer. I force myself to not pick any players higher ranked then our draft position according to Thehuddlereports player rankings. Draft position after the 3rd round is an estimate because comp picks will be added later on.

#38 - WILB - Brandon Spikes - Huddlereport ranking 38th - Needs to improve overall speed, probably lossing 5-8 pounds would do him a world of good.

#43 - FS - Nate Allen - Huddlereport ranking 46th - Leader, range, good in zone, typical FS skill set, could use some help in man coverage.

#58 - OL - Vladmir Ducasse - Huddlereport ranking 58th - Very Raw, very inconsistent, mentallity lacks sometimes, big and strong, is he a guard or a tackle, just the type Grimm likes.

#71 - CB - Brandon Ghee - Huddlereport ranking 73rd - Knows how to cover the tall guys.

#89 - DE - Greg Hardy - Huddlereport ranking 89th - Medical issues, consistency issues. Athletic freak who is actually much much stronger then people give him credit for, bull rush might be his best move. At 280 he could easily see him as a nickel and dime DL rush specialsit in our 3-4 hybrid like Berry was.

#124 - WR - Andre Roberts - Huddlereport ranking 134th - Great hands and athletic ability. Needs a lot of work on routes longer then a hitch or screen, played against bad competition. Elusive which might make him a canidate to take over at PR in place of Breaston who should not be a PR anymore now that he is a starter.

#160 - SILB - Micah Johnson - Huddlereport ranking 184th - Big run stuffer who does that job well. Injury, weight, and speed may be a concern.

#197 - NT - Linval Joseph - Huddlereport ranking 200th - Big NT type.

#214 - QB - John Skelton - Huddlereport unranked - All the tools in the world but has never had to show them or use them on a consistent basis against the competition he faced, and that competition was horrible and he still didn’t dominate it.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Should we use a late round pick on a kicker?

Leigh Tiffin from Alabama is someone I have been reading about. Anyone know more about him or have seen him play?

Heres a link to his bio.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tiffin_leigh00.html

 

[cardsfanmd]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of taking OLB O'Brien Schoefield. I guess I am alone in this, but I dont think there is a chance the Cards take an OLB for this year unless someone falls 3+ rounds lower than the Cards had him ranked. We will add one, but it will be through FA, as the last thing we need at the position is more youth and inexperience. Assuming he makes a full recovery, Shoefield is a great value after the 5th round He would be out for the year, giving the new guys (Brown, Davis, Washington and Baggs) time to gain the experience we need. The group will be much more ready to take in (on the field) a rookie next year when Shoefield is back.

 

[Duckjake]

I think we mostly agree that Boldin will be traded. I'm going with him going to the Dolphins for Ginn and a 3rd.

1- Jermain Gresham, TE: Whiz saw first hand what Jermichael Finley can do to a defense. Gresham is that type of TE.

2- Devin McCourty, CB: On the smaller side but he's competitive and can cover. Him, Toler, and DRC give the Cards a good young nucleus at the CB position.

3a- Sean Lee, ILB: He's a first round talent but had a knee issue at PSU. He recovered nicely last year and could start from day 1.

3b- Jermaine Cunningham, DE/OLB: He has the perfect size for a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers/ Cards mode. In my mind he's a bit underrated but he was very productive at Florida.

4-Torell Troupe, NT: I'm hoping he's still there. There's a good chance he's gone but the farther Cody falls the farther Troupe falls. Plus all the teams keeping their NT means less of a need.

5- Jonathon Crompton, QB: He's an ideal future QB prospect. He has good size, good arm strength and played at a good college. I think he's a guy who could really develop with good coaching.

6- O'brien Schoefield,LB: Was a terror all year and would have been drafted much higher had he not hurt his knee. Draft him, put him on IR for the year, and he'll be like having another 2nd rounder next year. Much like Cody Brown this year.

7- Doug Worthington, DT: I think he's an ideal 3-4 DE. He has some nice potential and showed flashes at OSU. Could turn out to be another late round steal.

Not bad but you are taking a big risk passing on a replacement for Dansby in the first two rounds and hoping Lee drops. That position has to be addressed in this draft even if the Cards get a veteran FA.

 

[bg7brd]

How about:
1- Sean Weatherspoon ILB
2a- Brandon Spikes ILB
2b- Dan Gronkowski TE
3- Cam Thomas NT
4- Myron Lewis. CB/S
5- Red Skelton. QB
6- O'Brien Schoefeld
7- Russ Grimm special

 

[joeshmo]

Should we use a late round pick on a kicker?

Leigh Tiffin from Alabama is someone I have been reading about. Anyone know more about him or have seen him play?

Heres a link to his bio.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tiffin_leigh00.html

It will be ineresting to see what they do at kicker. The top 3 free agent kickers are Mare, Rackers, and Reed. Reed and Mare are or will be transitioned or franchised tagged. Are they trying to get Rackers signed before free agency? will they also give him the transition tag today? Are they willing to let him walk? Besides Rolle and Dansby that might be more interesting free agent(our own free agents that is) story this offseason.

 

[joeshmo]

How about:
1- Sean Weatherspoon ILB
2a- Brandon Spikes ILB
2b- Dan Gronkowski TE
3- Cam Thomas NT
4- Myron Lewis. CB/S
5- Red Skelton. QB
6- O'Brien Schoefeld
7- Russ Grimm special

I actually like your load up on ILB's early and often idea here.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It will be ineresting to see what they do at kicker. The top 3 free agent kickers are Mare, Rackers, and Reed. Reed and Mare are or will be transitioned or franchised tagged. Are they trying to get Rackers signed before free agency? will they also give him the transition tag today? Are they willing to let him walk? Besides Rolle and Dansby that might be more interesting free agent(our own free agents that is) story this offseason.

I just don't like handing the kicking job to Rackers without him earning it. We need to have another option. Since Mare and Reed won't be available then who else is there that is an upgrade? I know we found our punter Graham out of nowhere, but I think kickers are more scrutinized.

If we do transition Rackers does that mean we have to pay him or can he be cut (save salary and cap space) if we find someone else?

 

[devilfan02]

The precombine mock draft - Trade Edition

Boldin traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd rounder and one of their two 7th rounders.

We trade out of the first round with the Browns who trade up with some of the 11 total draft picks. Cards give #26 and their own 7th for #38 and #71.

I am going to assume we sign these three free agents - OLB Joey Porter, FB/HBack Brandon Manumaleuna, QB Charlie Batch

My usual draft disclaimer. I force myself to not pick any players higher ranked then our draft position according to Thehuddlereports player rankings. Draft position after the 3rd round is an estimate because comp picks will be added later on.

#38 - WILB - Brandon Spikes - Huddlereport ranking 38th - Needs to improve overall speed, probably lossing 5-8 pounds would do him a world of good.

#43 - FS - Nate Allen - Huddlereport ranking 46th - Leader, range, good in zone, typical FS skill set, could use some help in man coverage.

#58 - OL - Vladmir Ducasse - Huddlereport ranking 58th - Very Raw, very inconsistent, mentallity lacks sometimes, big and strong, is he a guard or a tackle, just the type Grimm likes.

#71 - CB - Brandon Ghee - Huddlereport ranking 73rd - Knows how to cover the tall guys.

#89 - DE - Greg Hardy - Huddlereport ranking 89th - Medical issues, consistency issues. Athletic freak who is actually much much stronger then people give him credit for, bull rush might be his best move. At 280 he could easily see him as a nickel and dime DL rush specialsit in our 3-4 hybrid like Berry was.

#124 - WR - Andre Roberts - Huddlereport ranking 134th - Great hands and athletic ability. Needs a lot of work on routes longer then a hitch or screen, played against bad competition. Elusive which might make him a canidate to take over at PR in place of Breaston who should not be a PR anymore now that he is a starter.

#160 - SILB - Micah Johnson - Huddlereport ranking 184th - Big run stuffer who does that job well. Injury, weight, and speed may be a concern.

#197 - NT - Linval Joseph - Huddlereport ranking 200th - Big NT type.

#214 - QB - John Skelton - Huddlereport unranked - All the tools in the world but has never had to show them or use them on a consistent basis against the competition he faced, and that competition was horrible and he still didn’t dominate it.

While I think your proposed trade is a longshot, I do like what you put together in terms of need and talent. Getting guys like Spikes, Allen, Ducasse, Ghee, and Harden between picks 38-89 would fill a couple needs, provide quality depth, and give us hope down the road.

As for Tiffin, I wouldn't use a draft pick on him unless it was a 7th rounder. I watched quite a few Bama games towards the end of their season and he misses a lot of easy FG's as well as clutch FG's. In fact, the commentators would even talk about how inconsistent he is whenever he took the field. I do agree that Rackers shouldn't be handed the job but Tiffin isn't the answer. If anything, Tiffins weaknesses are the same as Rackers.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

1. Brandon Spikes 6'3, 245, Florida
2. Ciron Black, 6'5, 322, LSU (Whis gets his annual LSU pick).
3. Tony Pike, 6-6, 210, CIN
4. Myron Rolle, 6-2, 220, FSU
5. Joe Pawelek 6'3, 236, Baylor
6. BPA DE/TE
7. BPA OT/DE
__________________

 

[MadCardDisease]

My Pre-Combine Mock with FAs

I'm assuming that Rolle and Dansby both sign elsewhere.

Free Agents:

1) Leigh Boddin - CB - NewEngland
Boddin opposite of DRC would solidify the CB position. Would make up for having to cut Rolle and actually would be an upgrade to the team even though he play a different position. He is very good in coverage an is also strong supporting te run.

2) Aaron Kampman - OLB/DE - Green Bay
Kampman would come in and fill the void left by Bertrand Berry's retirement. Like Berry he would spend the majority of his time up on the line and only ocassionally would drop into coverage.

3) David Carr - QB - NYG
Don't expect too much from him but we need another vet to at least make an attempt to push Lienart for the starting job.

DRAFT:

1) Mike Iupati - G - Idaho
It would be very hard not to go defense with the first overall pick. However Iupati would fit so nicely in Grimm's system. He is a monster and blocks with an aggressive style that Grimm covets. I wouldn't be shocked if they try him out at Tackle.

2) Donald Butler - ILB - Washington
Had a great showing at the Senior Bowl. Showed the insticts that you want with an ILB. Hayes isn't getting any younger and Butler will provide much needed depth at the position.

3) Al Woods - DT - LSU
Need some youth at NT. Woods has the size and strenght to anchor the middle and free up the LBs.

4) Jeromy Miles - S - UMass
Has great range and good ball skills. Also is a very solid tackler. Will provide some competition at the FS position.

5) O'brein Schofield - OLB - Wisc
Would have been a 1st or 2nd rounder had he not tore up his knee during the senior bowl workouts. That won't stop teams from taking a chance on him. He may fall this far but I don't think he will fall much farther.

6) Sean Canfield - QB - Ore St
Another south paw that can compete with Lienart. Most likely will be a 3rd stringer initially. Has good size and footwork. Gives the Cards options should Lienart disappoint.

7) Justin Walton - C - Baylor
Showed good skills at the Senior Bowl. Showed the smarts needed to play center in the NFL. Versatile enough to also play guard.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

As for Tiffin, I wouldn't use a draft pick on him unless it was a 7th rounder. I watched quite a few Bama games towards the end of their season and he misses a lot of easy FG's as well as clutch FG's. In fact, the commentators would even talk about how inconsistent he is whenever he took the field. I do agree that Rackers shouldn't be handed the job but Tiffin isn't the answer. If anything, Tiffins weaknesses are the same as Rackers.

Thanks for the input on Tiffin. I have been wondering about him and was waiting to hear from someone who has seen him play. Our kicker situation is going to be a very difficult one to work out.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I don't go much into mocks...but I will tell you our first pick will be

ILB or OT....bet your bottom dollar on it.

 

[kerouac9]

@MCD--

Who plays Dansby's position for the 2010 Cardinals under your draft an free agency vision?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Joey Porter is not looking like a good option.

Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland confirmed at the NFL Scouting Combine Thursday that Porter's mouth had nothing to do with the release. It was all because of Porter's play on the field. (The league invalidated the move, but he'll be released after March 5.)

The admission by Ireland illustrates how tough it will be for Porter to get a good contract. Teams won't want to deal with the headaches he brings when his performance is clearly in decline.

 

[MadCardDisease]

@MCD--

Who plays Dansby's position for the 2010 Cardinals under your draft an free agency vision?

It's going to have to be one of the young guys.

Will Davis, Stevie Baggs, or eventually Schofield.

Obviously we are not strong at this position. However I don't see many other options.

 

[kerouac9]

It's going to have to be one of the young guys.

Will Davis, Stevie Baggs, or eventually Schofield.

Obviously we are not strong at this position. However I don't see many other options.

But Dansby plays WILB and those guys are pass rushing OLBs, right? I don't think that any of those guys could sub in for Dansby.

I like your draft plan, but unless the Cards sign a guy like Larry Foote or Chris Draft or Scott Fujita or Danny Clark to fill in for the mean time, it's not going to happen.

 

[juza76]

trade with tampa bay for boldin -arizona get second round pick-tampa get fouth round pick
1 round) sean weatherspoon ilb
2 a)chad jones fs
2b)daryl washington ilb
3)cam thomas nt
5)jared valdheer ot
6)zac robinson qb
7)hunter lawrence kicker
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