A Challenge to Ed B.

Tangodnzr

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You seem to be running off at the mouth quite a bit with your know it all comments here lately in regard to your great expertise and knowledge of what's going to happen in the draft.

Walter and I have both posted our complete 1st round projections. I don't claim to be the worlds greatest draft expert, but I'm willing to match my picks against yours.

Put up or shut up.

Post your first round projections and we'll score it like the contest, and see what shakes out.
 

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Walter and I have both posted our complete 1st round projections.
Put up or shut up.
I have Walter's up on the BRS - care to send yours over?

I'm pretty sure Ed's sandbagging til the last minute.

Seriously, send your mock over - they'll be all posted side by side for all to read and weep both prior to and after the draft.
 

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(#6)
Terrell Suggs
DE | (6-3, 262, 4.6) | ARIZONA STATE
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Raised in rough neighborhood on South Side of Chicago. Parade All-America running back in high school, when he led the state with 297 carries for 2,274 yards and 26 touchdowns. Also played basketball and ran track. Named Pacific-10 Freshman of the Year in 2000, posting 48 tackles, 16 tackles for loss and 10 sacks. All-Pac-10 in '01, when he recorded 42-18-10. All-American in '02, when he led the nation in sacks with 24 and won the Lombardi Trophy. Ended his junior year with 69 tackles, including 29½ for loss, an interception and three passes broken up. Is only 20 years old. Left for the NFL after his junior season.

Positives: Very good athlete and an explosive pass rusher with great speed off the edge. Can get off the line of scrimmage like a shot. Has great pass-rush instincts and can fly. Runs like a deer when he is chasing the quarterback. Figures to get bigger and better as he matures and gets older. Goes 110 mph, has a non-stop motor and is relentless when rushing the passer. Can drop into coverage. Backside pursuit is outstanding. Can adjust and has good change-of-direction skills. Broke sack record despite constant double- and triple-teams. Would be best-suited as a pass-rush linebacker in a 3-4 or a pass-rush specialist in a 4-3, but he has a world of natural ability.

Negatives: Immature, slightly undersized defensive end who lacks experience at linebacker. Is a one-trick pony who just wants to rush the passer and shows no passion for playing the run and doing the dirty work. Has limited experience dropping into coverage and will freeze on play-action fake at times.

Summary: Big-time pass rusher who needs to improve in all other areas. If he is successful adding weight without losing speed, Suggs could play every down as a rush defensive end. He's not Julius Peppers, but Suggs but is a more complete Dwight Freeney, and may be most similar to Simeon Rice, including a nearly identical personality.

2nd(#37)
Tyrone Calico
WR | (6-3, 223, 4.34) | MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Redshirted in football in 1998 but played with the basketball team. Starting wide receiver from '99 through '02. Caught 65 passes for 695 yards and five touchdowns in 1999. Caught 47-752-3 in 2000 and 37-583-5 in '01. Caught 45-606-4 (13.5 average) and was a second-team All-Sun Belt honoree in '02. Had a respectable performance at Senior Bowl practices against top competition.

Positives: Has great size, long arms, big hands and excellent speed and athletic ability. He also is a physical blocker. Though he hasn't played against top-caliber competition regularly, in 2000 he beat Mississippi State CB Fred Smoot (current Redskins starter) for two touchdowns, including one acrobatic catch. Can separate and beat the jam and flashes ability to adjust. Has great leaping ability but doesn't always show it. Can beat defensive backs off the line of scrimmage. Has deep speed, can be effective on the fade route and in the red zone. Strong runner after the catch. More fast than quick. Comes out of his breaks quickly.

Negatives: Appears to lack soft hands and natural ball skills. He is late to get his head around, misjudges passes, doesn't have a good feel for running pass routes and is a body catcher who doesn't come back to or attack the ball. Is tentative at times in traffic and inconsistent in crowds. If he runs in the 4.4s, he surely doesn't play to that speed.

Summary: A poor man's Terrell Owens, but he can improve playing the ball and needs to learn to play his size. His outstanding combination of strength, size and speed put on display at the Combine could make him a first-day pick.

3rd(#70)
Antwan Peek
DE | (6-2, 246, 4.62) | CINCINNATI
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Recruited as a wide receiver and moved to defensive back in 1998, when he had five tackles. Separated his shoulder in '99 opener and redshirted. Started at rush end the past three years but was suspended for one game in 2001 for receiving improper benefits. Had 37 stops, including 13 for loss, and 81 sacks in 2000. Also picked off one pass, broke up six passes and blocked two field goals. All-Conference USA in '01, when he had 60-22-12½ and blocked a punt and returned it for a touchdown. Repeated as an All-Conference player in '02, when he had 90-22-6, caused seven fumbles and recovered five. Has weight up from 230 pounds to about 250. Showed great speed in pre-draft workouts but he is not as strong as some teams would like.

Positives: Good athlete and competitor known for his toughness and work ethic. Football is important to this player, and he has overcome a lot in his life despite a difficult home situation. A fine pass rusher and big-play maker who has good explosion and pop. Has explosive quickness off the ball and a burst to the quarterback. Plays all out and pursues all over the field. Has a knack for blocking kicks and has very good timing, balance and body control. Has a 37-inch vertical.

Negatives: Undersized defensive end who can get engulfed and buried by bigger tackles. Lacks experience at linebacker and may not have the feel for the position needed at 4-3 linebacker. Will get too emotional at times and let his temper get the best of him, leading to penalties.

Summary: Best fit would be as a pass-rushing end in a 3-4 defense, but he does have some situational rush skills. After his Combine workout, some teams may consider him at defensive end in a 4-3 because he displayed the quickness to play the run. Not the player his idol Lawrence Taylor was, but shows similar burst and acceleration off the edge.

4th (#102)
Wayne Lucier
C | (6-3, 301, 5.2) | COLORADO
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Name pronounced "Loo-sear." High school football and basketball player who also was a weight man. Went to Northwestern to play for Gary Barnett and later followed him to Colorado. Started once at Northwestern at tight end and six times at offensive guard in 1998. Caught one pass for four yards. Started every game at right guard in '99. Mandatory-transfer redshirt in 2000. Lucier started every game at center in '01. Was an All-Big 12 guard last year and got some All-America notice.

Positives: Very smart, versatile player with a great work ethic and motor. Quick into blocks and gets good fits. Has a feel for blocking angles and positioning his body. Gets the most out of his ability. Good on the second level and gets to linebackers.

Negatives: Lacks great natural size and play strength and will really struggle with size in line, unless he plays low with exceptional leverage. Gets bull-rushed and pushed back too much. Is not overly athletic and will struggle to adjust on the second level at times. Doesn't long-snap.

Summary: An all-out, all-the-time college player who gets the most out of his ability. A true achiever.

5th(#141)
Ivan Taylor
DB | (6-0, 188, 4.49) | LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Ran 40 against stiff wind. Was a walk-on Prop 48 player in 1998 and academically ineligible in '99 and 2000. Played in every game and started four at running back in '01, posting 70 carries for 323 yards and three touchdowns, catching 18 passes for 125 yards and returning 18 kickoffs for 280 yards. Named All-Sun Belt. Moved to cornerback in the spring of '02. New-position player with traits. Had 46 tackles and broke up eight passes in 12 games in '02, when he also returned nine kickoffs for 210 yards.

Positives: Showed quick feet and adequate toughness as a running back and was very sudden and explosive. Has good size, speed and athletic ability. Has quick-twitch movements. Capable of returning kicks and could also be a change-of-pace runner.

Negatives: Is extremely raw and scouts worry about his instincts and intelligence. Played only two of five years in college because of academic problems and only one year at cornerback.

Summary: Needs a lot of reps but will have a hard time getting them on the fly.

6th(#177)
James Lee
DT | (6-4, 327, 4.88 ) | OREGON STATE
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Attended College of the Redwoods (Calif.) in 1999 and 2000, when he was a team captain and a second-team junior college All-American. Was mostly a backup in '01, when he played in each of the first 10 games but did not play in the season finale vs. Oregon. Recorded nine tackles and two tackles for loss. Played in every game in '02 and had 29 tackles, seven tackles for loss and one forced fumble.

Positives: Good size and frame. Can penetrate and disrupt in the backfield but is at his best absorbing blockers to allow linebackers to run. Has some athletic ability and quickness and shows potential as a pass rusher at times. Makes a lot of one-man tackles. Showed improved straight-line speed at the Combine.

Negatives: Must get stronger in his upper body and learn how to use his hands and leverage. Wears down quickly and is not sudden. Is not a true pass-rusher and is likely only a two-down defensive tackle in the NFL. Will tug and lean late in drives and games. Must work on technique and use of hands. Could use lower-body strength better.

Summary: Has a lot of areas that need work and tends to rely on natural ability too much. Does have value for a team looking to add depth in the middle of the line.

6th(#210)
Dan Stricker
WR | (6-2, 203, 4.63) | VANDERBILT
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Outstanding high school baseball and football player who was drafted as a pitcher coming out of high school. Caught 12 passes for 187 yards and two touchdowns in 1999; 61-994-5 in 2000; and 65-1,079-8 in '01. Second-team All-Southeastern Conference in 2000 and first-team in '01. Had left shoulder scoped April 8, 2002. Almost entered the '02 draft when Vanderbilt hired a run-oriented head coach, Bobby Johnson, but Stricker stayed in school after Johnson mapped out his plans for Stricker in his offense. Caught 44-620-6 as a senior.

Positives: Big, smart, durable, tough, physical and very productive receiver with a good release and good hands. Very good in crowds and is courageous over the middle. Gives good effort as a blocker. Good body control. Runs precise routes and knows how to set up a defensive back. Has a 39-inch vertical. Good concentration. Reliable perfectionist. Quick, good feet and makes good cuts.

Negatives: Lacks a burst. Not real sudden or explosive. Not a home-run hitter. Gets jammed at times and has questionable make-you-miss. Has good but not great hands. Better vs. zone than man coverage.

Summary: Plays bigger than his size and should be a late second-day pick.

7th(#220)
Aaron Golliday
TE | (6-3, 285, 5.05) | NEBRASKA
By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: College weight man who has put the shot 55 feet, 7 inches and was a fine high school basketball player. Redshirted in 1998 and saw extensive action as a blocking tight end the last three years. Started three games in '99, three in 2000 and one in '01. Started 11-of-13 games in '02 as primarily an extension of the offensive line and had three catches for 29 yards and two touchdowns.

Positives: Quick-footed blocker who can slide and redirect. Is rarely used as a receiver but can catch. Will bend his knees and has some bulk strength. Can hook the defensive end and get out on linebackers quickly. Will mirror and has a feel for pass blocking. Has big hands. Could be tried as an NFL left offensive tackle or guard who could also be a third tight end.

Negatives: As a tight end, lacks speed to separate and hasn't been used much in the passing game. More of a blocky tight end who doesn't use his hands well enough.

Summary: A late-round pick or priority free agent who could be a good No. 2 tight end and has potential as an offensive lineman if a team is willing to bring him along slowly.
 
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Originally posted by JeffGollin
Walter and I have both posted our complete 1st round projections.
Put up or shut up.
I have Walter's up on the BRS - care to send yours over?

I'm pretty sure Ed's sandbagging til the last minute.

Seriously, send your mock over - they'll be all posted side by side for all to read and weep both prior to and after the draft.


Ed can sandbag until the last minute all he wants. I have no problem with that. In fact, as with most draft predictions, I assume a person has the right to change their mind, up until the draft actually starts. As long as they have their picks finalized, in writing, BEFORE the draft actually starts.

I will send my choices over.
 
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Tangodnzr

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Sweet D,
My challenge to Ed is not the Cards draft picks, but the entire 1st round for all teams.
 

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I've posted several mock drafts on the front page. Another one today.

With the time I've taken writing all the articles that people like you just piss on and rip apart, I haven't had time to do a complete round 1 mock.

1. palmer
2. rogers
3. johnson
4. robertson
5. newman
6. suggs
7. kennedy
8. leftwich


I'll bet you a dollar on that, though. Barring trades.
 
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My challenge stands:

The entire 1st round predictions, and score it like the contest.
Scoring System:
32 pts - correct pick
16 pts - 1 pick off
8 pts - 2 picks off
4 pts - 3 picks off
2 pts - 4 picks off
1 pt - 5 picks off
0 pts - 6+ picks off

If you aren't willing to do that, for what ever reason, or excuse you bring up. Then please refrain from your tendancy to post so much caustic garbage and insults. :thumbup:
 

Ed B

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Do you have a job or anything?

Start learning the piano or something, you have too much time on your hands if you want to sit around and score mock drafts.
 

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some how I hear in my head...

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