2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[Germz249]

This same clown is also saying that we are going to get Paul George.

He thought we were going to sign Plumlee, he thought we'd sign John Wall, he "confirmed" that we would meet with Kyrie, and he vaguely said that there was one big free agent (but he couldn't say the name yet) that was going to sign with us.

He's an idiot.

Upon scrolling through his non-sense more I am going to take Gambo's advice and make it so I cannot even see his rubbish anymore.

Lol DColdest.. man that guy is more wild than Flex. Do they know each other? I would love to see both of these guys on a podcast or something. Both guys with "inside source" trying to BS one another.

 

[az jam]

Gambo is usually right on the Suns' insiders stuff. Like him or not, I have found him to be pretty accurate on the Suns.

 

[Hoop Head]

Gambo is usually right on the Suns' insiders stuff. Like him or not, I have found him to be pretty accurate on the Suns.

He goes through spells. He definitely has a good source right now. For a while there before James Jones was there, in McD's early tenure, he was really hit or miss. I'd definitely give him benefit of doubt nowadays.

 

[Yuma]

Bobby Marks on Suns strategy:

Marks said of Phoenix’s haul. “I was teasing with somebody out in Vegas (during NBA Summer League), I’ve never seen six better minimums come off the board in an hour. “I just think (the Suns) had a plan. They had a plan in terms of who they were targeting, who fits.”

 

[Phrazbit]

Rumblings in the twittersphere that we are trying to get TJ McConnell from the Pacers.

Torn on that one. Love TJ but I feel like Cam Payne's ability to push the pace would be better with our bench of young, athletic, fast guys.

I would talk myself into it in a heart beat though, I really love TJ McConnell. Great teammate, very steady player, really good on defense. Super spotty 3 point shooting though, he doesn't trust his 3 and rarely takes them.

 

[Proximo]

Rumblings in the twittersphere that we are trying to get TJ McConnell from the Pacers.

Torn on that one. Love TJ but I feel like Cam Payne's ability to push the pace would be better with our bench of young, athletic, fast guys.

I would talk myself into it in a heart beat though, I really love TJ McConnell. Great teammate, very steady player, really good on defense. Super spotty 3 point shooting though, he doesn't trust his 3 and rarely takes them.

Vogel has constantly brought up only the big 4 and Cam Payne, doesn't suggest to me he wants him gone.

McConnell might fit a little better in terms of his strengths, and he does seem more durable. Even so mostly seems like kind of a lateral move if it is a 1 for 1 deal.

 

[Phrazbit]

Vogel has constantly brought up only the big 4 and Cam Payne, doesn't suggest to me he wants him gone.

McConnell might fit a little better in terms of his strengths, and he does seem more durable. Even so mostly seems like kind of a lateral move if it is a 1 for 1 deal.

I feel like it would have to be a 3 team trade, otherwise I don't see the reasoning for Indy.

We also need to send out more money, Ish and Goodwin are the only other contracts we can move so it would almost certainly be Ish.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns are thinking about trading for TJ McConnell, they may be looking about controlling his destiny for two seasons or more if they like him.

McConnell's contract is partially guaranteed next season, while Cam Payne is an expiring contract. It might cost more to keep Payne long term.

Since the Pacers are rumored in other trade talks, saving some money on McConnell's contract this season and next might be attractive.

It feels like the Suns are trying to build a core of role players that can stretch into the future or be used as trade chips later on.

 

[Mainstreet]

Another thought, if the Suns are looking to make some more moves, adding Bol Bol later might have some roster or financial advantage.

 

[clyde2tw]

Pacers after adding BBrown seem to have no playing time for McConnell, as they also have a promising young guy in Nemhard to develop. Given the trend of the FA market, McC may be min. at most bi-annual player as FA, about the same as Payne; thus no other suitors in sight. Saving cap for next year via a McC for Payne+ Ish trade seems no brainer。

 

[Yuma]

According to Brandon Kleen who writes for Suns.com, the Suns wanted to get younger in general even before the KD trade. So arguably they did get older trading for KD, but since then, they got way younger. Mission accomplished. It's funny though, arguably two pieces people most excited about are the oldest ones we got in Beal and Gordon. Everyone one else we got younger!

 

[Yuma]

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It's almost like trading for the same guy, except ones a lefty and ones a righty.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

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It's almost like trading for the same guy, except ones a lefty and ones a righty.

McConnell is the better all around player (better defense and facilitation). I think he probably fits alongside our current personnel better than Payne. We would also have 1 more year of control over McConnell.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've always wanted TJ McConnell as a backup point guard. He is a steady player and doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

I'm fascinated with the care the Suns are using to complete the tail end of their roster. This is something I have always valued, but have often thought lacking.

 

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3p%

 

[Yuma]

3p%

Last year was his best on just over 50 attempts. Otherwise their career numbers on everything is similar. WS is better of McConnel. I know it is literally win shares, but even reading what the stat is, I can't quite picture it. TJ arguably better in that stat.

 

[Phrazbit]

McConnell is the better all around player (better defense and facilitation). I think he probably fits alongside our current personnel better than Payne. We would also have 1 more year of control over McConnell.

Payne is a very good facilitator, his assist rate with combined with his low turnovers are very very good. He also pushes the pace, which I like, especially from the bench.

TJ is a good facilitator but in a different way, not so much a drive and kick guy but a player who can make passes through tough angles... kinda like Chris Paul but obviously not at that level.

He is a tenacious defender, Payne isn't a bad defender but TJ is clearly better.

3p%

As Yuma notes, McConnell's 3pt% was on a very low volume, his entire career he has been averse to shooting threes. Payne, while streaky, is the better outside shooter, McConnell does not have confidence in his 3 point shot and rarely attempts them.

I'd say they are on a similar tier as players but with very different styles. McConnell's biggest advantage may be durability. Other than an ankle one bad injury 2 years ago he has been very durable.

Vogel is probably looking for stability from the bench and strong defensive options... I can see why he might favor trying to get McConnell, with him running the 2nd unit we probably won't threaten to run teams out of the gym but we also will be less likely to have a lead come crashing down.

 

[Yuma]

I saw TJ says the Pacers were trying to outrun teams. I don't know how fast he is, but they have been pushing the pace where he's at. On the other hand we know Payne can push the pace. I would be OK if we traded, and OK if we didn't. I don't know if we are getting a big bang for our buck here for the assets we have to trade. Unless going two for one with Payne + Ish for McConnel means we wanted to free a roster spot.

 

[Mainstreet]

The way I look at it, the Suns are looking to add a point guard where they can control their salary for two seasons... maybe more.

Yes, I'm saying salary is a part of the equation but in a good way. The Suns are not afraid to take on more salary. Cam Payne is an expiring contract.

McConnell and Payne are close to the equivalent otherwise, except Payne is quicker.

IMO, the Suns are looking to polish the end of their roster. From reports, they are looking to add Bol Bol as well.

I like the idea the Suns are not only thinking now, but the future as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

I saw TJ says the Pacers were trying to outrun teams. I don't know how fast he is, but they have been pushing the pace where he's at. On the other hand we know Payne can push the pace. I would be OK if we traded, and OK if we didn't. I don't know if we are getting a big bang for our buck here for the assets we have to trade. Unless going two for one with Payne + Ish for McConnel means we wanted to free a roster spot.

Your last sentence could well happen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Suns aren't trying to get involved in a mult-iteam trade and get some spinoff parts with McConnell being one of them.

 

[Germz249]

@Germz249 said this first! Gambo is just reading our posts here!

My sources.. high ranking officials within the organization had a meeting at Waffle House told me its pretty much a done deal. Should be any day now or after summer league unless something major happens where he is offered a better opportunity.

These are the same legit sources that told me we had Kyrie Irving ready to sign for the vet minimum but the Mavs pulled off a miracle move and snagged him away from us just moments before he was about to sign. Mavs had a .012% chance and some how pulled off a miracle.

 

[Mainstreet]

My sources.. high ranking officials within the organization had a meeting at Waffle House told me its pretty much a done deal. Should be any day now or after summer league unless something major happens where he is offered a better opportunity.

These are the same legit sources that told me we had Kyrie Irving ready to sign for the vet minimum but the Mavs pulled off a miracle move and snagged him away from us just moments before he was about to sign. Mavs had a .012% chance and some how pulled off a miracle.

This is good enough for me. Fans have to be patient. These things take time.

 

[Hoop Head]

My sources.. high ranking officials within the organization had a meeting at Waffle House told me its pretty much a done deal. Should be any day now or after summer league unless something major happens where he is offered a better opportunity.

These are the same legit sources that told me we had Kyrie Irving ready to sign for the vet minimum but the Mavs pulled off a miracle move and snagged him away from us just moments before he was about to sign. Mavs had a .012% chance and some how pulled off a miracle.

To get on Flex's level you need to ignore when past predictions news don't pan out. Stay silent and act like you never said a word until years down the road.

 

[Sparky16]

Ish lurks on ASFN confirmed!

Hi Ish! Sorry you're too old and lack the skills to warrant a roster spot on a team competing for a title. Wish you well regardless.

Yeah - one only has to look at his production in the last 2 playoffs and understand why there is speculation for a replacement. Suns dont need an undersized 4 who launches bricks in May/June. The Suns paying him is charity. I can understand his frustration when watches DA care more about cashing check instead of playing harder/smarter and trying to get better.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He goes through spells. He definitely has a good source right now. For a while there before James Jones was there, in McD's early tenure, he was really hit or miss. I'd definitely give him benefit of doubt nowadays.

Gambo is the only one whose livelihood depends on doing a good job with his info. He has excellent sources. When he is "wrong" it's because he reports what the Suns are trying to do and fans take it as what they are going to do. Team try to do lots of stuff that doesn't actually happen.