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  1. TJ

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    1. Yes. That's his current marker, unless your definition of success is a sub-.500 overall record.
    2. Yes. Kyler is a project. Kyler was able to get away with a lot at OU based on sheer athleticism. The pro game will test his ability to read defenses and study for opponents. It's uncertain that this is a strength of his. If the benchmark or default comparison for Murray is Russell Wilson based on whatever metric people want to use, Russell is one of the most prepared, sharpest QBs in the game at the moment. Murray will have to replicate that. I also can't stress enough that the one year of being a full-time starter should not be discounted, even if he won the Heisman in his first year.
     
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    1. I find that view to be myopic. Record doesn't always equal success. Just as having the best offense in the country (by rank.... multiple times) doesn't make him an offensive genius.
    2. I 100%..... completely and undeniably disagree with that assessment. If Kyler is a project what was Logan Thomas when we drafted him?


    This is why I have stopped mega-posting once we took Kyler....... Everyone's views will change once they see the dude own 5 year vets on the field. Will he make mistakes? Sure. Will he also leave multiple jaws on the grass a few times each game? Absolutely.
     
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    If Kyler is a project then every QB to ever get drafted & will continue to get drafted was/is a project.
     
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    I don't disagree with this, but some are more pro ready than others. Andrew Luck is the epitome of a QB who was tailor-made for the NFL.
     
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    A fool and his money are soon parted

    To say Vegas odds makers is off is beyond dumb

    Look at every NBA game they’re within a point

    Look at every MLB game and they’re within 1 run 99% of the time

    NFL shocker the The Cards were dead last ,last year and y’all said Bradford and Wilks and DJ got a shot. When you gonna learn being a homer and betting does t work.

    And they were dead on last year with the Cards getting 1st pick.

    Reality isn’t what you want...but keep your money boys and girls for your family...betting with your heart is dumb.
     
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    2 different animals though. The Blues were successful thanks to 7 game series'. There were games where they were down right awful but then they bounced back(I don't believe they lost 2 games in a row during the playoffs). Not saying a team can't get hot down the stretch like we did in '08 but that's what it takes, a team getting hot but one off day and you're out. That said, the Giants stand the best chance thanks to playing in a somewhat average division. The Titans too for the same reason. What I find interesting are the Lions. Here they gave Stafford a big extension to be a 100-1 team?
     
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    And off the field as well.
     
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    4 minutes? Try 2. The Stealers were on their own 10 yard line at 2:30 and their 26 at the 2 minute warning.
     
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    Sheer athleticism....The ignorance is overwhelming.

    Murray is super prepared. He puts in a lot of work, which is why is mechanics are so good. That's what ALL of his teammates with Allen HS, OU, and now the Cardinals are saying. If he didn't prepare, why is Larry Fitzgerald saying that he knows the offense so well? It's not the exact same offense as what he ran at OU, but it's similar.

    The nonsense and fake news from the Murray Derangement crowd is crazy.
     
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    Whatever, man. Just don’t get amped up because people have legit concerns about how he’s going to transition to the pros. And I’m not the deranged one. I’ve said on 1000 occasions that i don’t think he’s going to fail. Surprised people are still so sensitive about Murray criticism that they still can’t see the forest through the trees
     
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    Record is pretty much the key indicator of success. The second indicator of success was KK not getting another college HC job.

    There are so many college programs in the country, and this guy ended up being an OC for USC? It might work, and we might be the toast of the NFL, but there's really no way to twist a losing record and two winning seasons into anything but "failed."

    Hopefully the reasons truly are recruitment challenges and defensive struggles that can be handled by Vance Joseph.
     
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    Fitz has said better things about worse players, and Kyler is way more familiar with this system, he said it himself. We frankly have no idea about Kyler's preparation now that he just has the one sport. It might be spectacular, and I hope it is. But guys like Russ are obsessive.
     
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    why did I win 15-1 on the cards going to the super bowl?
     
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    $20 isn't going to break my bank
     
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    I wouldn't call Murray a project. My definition of a QB project is basically a guy with raw tools that will require a lot of coaching and time.

    Murray is more of a boom or bust question mark in terms of....will his top shelf physical skills and unknown mental make up translate to the pro game or not?

    Elite college skills guarantees nothing in the NFL.

    JMO
     
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